Tim Cain creating "Cain on Games" videos

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Are you one of those amerimutt ******* who buy games to confidently say that they are bad?

I buy games only when I believe there's something there I'll like.

How can you find out if a game is good or bad without pirating it?

[Tweed]

Me: this game is going to be ****.

******: it isn't out yet! How can you tell?!

Paranoia comes out, it's so ******* **** it gets pulled from the store. Zombra puts me on ignore rather than admit he was wrong.

I didn't have to pirate it.

[Roguey]

Are you one of those amerimutt ******* who buy games to confidently say that they are bad?

I buy games only when I believe there's something there I'll like.

How can you find out if a game is good or bad without pirating it?

I rely on marketing and do enough research to make an informed purchase.

Focusing on negativity is an adolescent activity. There will always be young men on the internet who will revel in that, but I've largely outgrown it.

[jdcp]

How can you find out if a game is good or bad without pirating it?

Buy and refund, though technically tricky (since they can deny you a refund) in my case such has never happened and believe me, I have refunded a **** ton of games, **** I even refunded games I would buy again years later lol.

For all I know Steam doesn't give a **** about anything except play time and yeah, if a game takes 2 hours to get good I am not buying it lol.

I rely on marketing and do enough research to make an informed purchase.

This also works, though it's less effective of course.

Not enough amount of information could prepare your first approach to a game, I've realized that with many games but I'll put a somewhat recent example:

Back when Stalker 2 came out I was considering funneling them 60s for it, as I was pretty eager for the release. When it came out I cooled off my head trying to avoid the hype and went to learn more about other people's experiences... Turns out the general concensus was that it underachieved in it's promises and was riddled with bugs, but at the end of the day it was still Stalker and it was very, and I mean it, VERY fun (supposedly).

So anyway I go ahead and say "well it might have bugs but at least I'll enjoy the game" turns out I found no bugs at all but got bored real fast.

I was eligible for a refund at my local store which never fails me (not like I buy many physical games anymore), but I might have enjoyed it a little bit more if I had pirated it on my computer. So I think I prefer Faceless homie approach in that regard.

Focusing on negativity is an adolescent activity.

I disagree, there's also no need to shame on people who are severely disappointed with today's games by calling them adolescents, as if that would discredit their opinion.

[Roguey]

I disagree, there's also no need to shame on people who are severely disappointed with today's games by calling them adolescents, as if that would discredit their opinion.

It's adolescent to make negativity such a big part of your personality. The Angry Gamer Youtubers are either young or in a state of arrested development. Many devs who get angry and complain about the existence of angry gamers are either young or in a state of arrested development as well. It's a hobby that attracts a lot of adult children.

[sheet]

Well, if you take that position, be prepared to be lumped in with the toxic positivity crowds.

Also, AVGN is a bit. It's an act. Saying he should be an objective, calm "video essayist" is autistic.

[Acrux]

Buy and refund, though technically tricky (since they can deny you a refund) in my case such has never happened and believe me, I have refunded a **** ton of games, **** I even refunded games I would buy again years later lol

I went through a period where I was buying and refunding games on Steam if they didn't tickle my fancy right away - always within the 2 hour/2 week limit. They did try to deny me a refund once or twice, but I copied their policy back to them that said a refund was possible "for any reason" and they then followed through. I wouldn't be surprised if they've changed that language now.

[jdcp]

It's adolescent to make negativity such a big part of your personality. The Angry Gamer Youtubers are either young or in a state of arrested development. Many devs who get angry and complain about the existence of angry gamers are either young or in a state of arrested development as well. It's a hobby that attracts a lot of adult children.

This is true (for the most part) but it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone who is negative about games. Some people have their reasons to be negative and hey at least I feel that's alright. Making anything such a big part of your personality is bad anyway. Like... I dunno... games

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether you believe a game is bad or good... if it's good you'll play it one day, if it's not then you won't

Also, AVGN is a bit. It's an act. Saying he should be an objective, calm "video essayist" is autistic.

Pretty sure he meant youtubers who unironically (though let's be honest they're all mostly an act too) behave like the AVGN and also might have a fanbase that does share the same views.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

I rely on marketing and do enough research to make an informed purchase.

In a modern internet full of censorship and lies, I highly doubt that you alone can outsmart advertising agencies, who have bot farms and use military-grade techniques to manipulate information space and algoritms.

How much hours a day you spent on all this research, considering 8-hour workday, time to get to the job and from the job, time for family and home stuff?

[Roguey]

Well, if you take that position, be prepared to be lumped in with the toxic positivity crowds.

That wouldn't be me, there's nothing I fully endorse.

I rely on marketing and do enough research to make an informed purchase.

In a modern internet full of censorship and lies, I highly doubt that you alone can outsmart advertising agencies, who have bot farms and use military-grade techniques to manipulate information space and algoritms.

How much hours a day you spent on all this research, considering 8-hour workday, time to get to the job and from the job, time for family and home stuff?

Beats me, but my circumstances allow me an abundance of time. Recently, the games I've disliked the most have been indie games made by companies lacking big marketing budgets. I took calculated risks and accepted the loss.

[Brother Chad]

I disagree, there's also no need to shame on people who are severely disappointed with today's games by calling them adolescents, as if that would discredit their opinion.

It's adolescent to make negativity such a big part of your personality. The Angry Gamer Youtubers are either young or in a state of arrested development. Many devs who get angry and complain about the existence of angry gamers are either young or in a state of arrested development as well. It's a hobby that attracts a lot of adult children.

I would like make a counterpoint:

Most media/games are so bad you should probably be morally opposed to them.

[Stack of Turtles]

I disagree, there's also no need to shame on people who are severely disappointed with today's games by calling them adolescents, as if that would discredit their opinion.

It's adolescent to make negativity such a big part of your personality. The Angry Gamer Youtubers are either young or in a state of arrested development. Many devs who get angry and complain about the existence of angry gamers are either young or in a state of arrested development as well. It's a hobby that attracts a lot of adult children.

I would like make a counterpoint:

Most media/games are so bad you should probably be morally opposed to them.

Roguey likes ******** so I don't think that's going to work out.

[Roguey]

I would like make a counterpoint:

Most media/games are so bad you should probably be morally opposed to them.

https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/

There's so much here to care about, it's easier to not care at all.

[maidenhaver]

Buy and refund, though technically tricky (since they can deny you a refund) in my case such has never happened and believe me, I have refunded a **** ton of games, **** I even refunded games I would buy again years later lol

I went through a period where I was buying and refunding games on Steam if they didn't tickle my fancy right away - always within the 2 hour/2 week limit. They did try to deny me a refund once or twice, but I copied their policy back to them that said a refund was possible "for any reason" and they then followed through. I wouldn't be surprised if they've changed that language now.

No, that hasn't changed. What's happened is devs adapted, and now games have ten hour intros and tutorials.