World of Warcraft: Retail, Classic and Private

[Finarfin]

You realize they have beards right?



Ironic that the guy that uses a picture of a ******* alopecia universalis vampire agrees with you lol. @Manny V

[Maledict]

Beards are gay. I can't look at them because of soyboys. Clean shaven Nazi supremacy.

[mynameismortis]

I smooth-talked my way out of it. Had to dip into some PR-speak, unfortunately. But I wasn’t about to give them the satisfaction of getting me gkicked.

just don't be in a gay guild

I'm done with WoW tbh, I may linger around in the guild a bit longer just so they don't think they won, but I'm definitely quitting soon. I’ve noticed that the more competitive the guild is, the more zest-and-Skittles types it seems to attract.

Are there any women in your guild?

[buttfucker 3000]

just don't be in a gay guild

I'm done with WoW tbh, I may linger around in the guild a bit longer just so they don't think they won, but I'm definitely quitting soon. I’ve noticed that the more competitive the guild is, the more zest-and-Skittles types it seems to attract.

Are there any women in your guild?

There are a few, one of them is a healer for us. middle aged, sounds pretty cute, that's all I know about her. The other two are ditch-licking *****, one of them even has a YT channel and she looks ******* disgusting.

[mynameismortis]

I'm done with WoW tbh, I may linger around in the guild a bit longer just so they don't think they won, but I'm definitely quitting soon. I’ve noticed that the more competitive the guild is, the more zest-and-Skittles types it seems to attract.

Are there any women in your guild?

There are a few, one of them is a healer for us. middle aged, sounds pretty cute, that's all I know about her. The other two are ditch-licking *****, one of them even has a YT channel and she looks ******* disgusting.

Good choice, but if was you i would troll them first and then leave

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I think I just did the most idiotic WoW dungeon ever made.

► Dungeon right before the 4th zone

Having returned from Harandar, the paladins on Quel'danas are unfortunately tiring out from channeling their power into the Sunwell to repel the Voidstorm. Powerful Void magick begin leaking out sky, and the pressure is high enough that it is able to touch people in Silvermoon city. Lor'themar sends you to talk to the paladins and get a report. Collapse is imminent. The only thing left to do is to strike at the source of the problem directly before the paladins fail and everyone explodes into purple tentacles.




To open a portal for an assault on the Voidstorm, Umbric needs an artifact kept at Magister's Terrace. Lor'themar tells you and Umbric to go get it ASAP. Notably, Grand Magister Rommath is standing right next to Lor'themar when he gives this order to Umbric.




We fly there, and now it turns out that you have to do a dungeon. What is it? You walk into Magister's Terrace, and... Rommath orders the guards to stop you and Umbric, because Umbric is a void elf and was banished and can't be allowed anywhere near the Sunwell. So now we have to a do a dungeon of AOEing down Silvermoon guards... to get the artifact that Lor'themar told us to get. When Grand Magister Rommath was right there...


Are you still standing right next to Lor'themar in the Sanctum of Light? Is Lor'themar able to see me right now? Can Lor'themar just smack you on the head or have you arrested?





Can't we just whip out the video conferencing crystal Rommath gave us at the start of the expac that we were constantly using in the Eversong Woods questline so that the guards can hear from Lor'themar - from the horse's mouth, their king - that we are supposed to be here? Can't Lor'themar just video conference the vice Grand Magister and tell him Rommath is fired and to let me in? Can't Lor'themar just have one of his other mages in the Sanctum of Light fire up a loudspeaker over Quel'danas telling everyone that me and Umbric are supposed to be here?




I can't decide if this is worse than the Ebon Blade massacring their comrade's class order hall for no reason, but this time everyone will get to do it!

[Manny V]

You realize they have beards right?

That's retail WoW though, actual Blood Elves can only grow flavour savers at most

[Stack of Turtles]

honestly, I think elves should be able to have beards, they look cooler

[Oyster Sauce]

honestly, I think elves should be able to have beards, they look cooler

That's the entire point of half-elves

[Stack of Turtles]

honestly, I think elves should be able to have beards, they look cooler

That's the entire point of half-elves

the entire point of half-elves is having only one pointy ear

[Finarfin]

Only gay as **** dnd has elves without beards. Even Tolkien Elves can have beards though that requires them to be immensely old (about 20000 years. Most notable elves were Cirdan and Mahtan) I find it very lazy from blizzard that the addon that has elves as the prominent races won't give them new customization yet the trolls do when you complete the zul aman storyline

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I have reached level 88 and finished the Midnight levelling questline.

► Zone #4: The Voidstorm

We meet a brand new character, Decimus. He is okay. Will have to see what the level cap questline does with him, if anything at all.

There is oddly no prominent villain in the Voidstorm to fight against like how Ansurek was the endgoal of Azj-Kahet. You are just running around fighting random copypasted Dominaar officers.




Apparently King Salhadaar's death in Manaforge Omega was retconned away. When Xal'atath betrayed him and disintegrated him and vacuumed up his essence into the Dark Heart, apparently she "actually" didn't kill him and released him out of the pokeball to continue working for her (sans dragon). Very strange writing to undermine the player's accomplishments in the climatic raid of the last expansion. So I guess we gotta kill him again in a raid unlocking next week or something. Or maybe he'll die in the level cap questline.

Jeez, if Alleria could have done this all along, this power sure would have come in handy during the BFA war when we were fighting against a Horde that was incinerating entire civilizations! Or when Alleria cornered Xal'atath in the Violet Hold. Could have saved another country! Or when she cornered Xal'atath again with Ansurek in Azj-Kahet. Could have vaporized them both then!




There are two moments in the zone questline where your character has to channel the Light, which just does not make sense when you are playing as Death Knight. This has been a recurring issue throughout the expansion.




Decimus' inn with the jagged obsidian floor hovering over the giant crystals is neat. I wish we could get large decor pieces to replicate that for housing. I don't think there are any crystals that can be scaled up to be large enough to do it.




We run into the same problem as Shadowlands where we go to a place a space fantasy plane that where people from worlds across the universe are being taken to - not just the people of Azeroth or Draenor - but we only see preexisting Azeroth and Draenor races. It seems Blizzard can't be bothered to model a few aliens from other worlds ingame and only bothers to paint them in the 2D shorts. So we just meet abducted splinter Draenei who colonized another planet.






When you are painting the alien Draenei in blood, there is a Death Knight exclusive option. I wasn't 100% clear what exactly was happening so I didn't pick it. Wasn't sure if they were about to all kill themselves or become suicide soldiers to open the portal or something.




We get some more ******** "the Light is not inherently good! It can be le bad!" **** that completely undermines everyone's morality if the holy Light they worship is not, in fact, the one true good and north star of the setting for everyone to base their civilizations and motivations around.




The Voidspire looks similar to the Rakion from ACE Online/Air Rivals. Huge, jagged blackened fortress in space with a giant illuminated orb in it.






Argus v2. Where are the Alliance forces? Why is it only Lightforged Draenei who get to go with our general now?

Only thing left to do is to reach level 90 to start on the level cap questline.

It is very disappointing that you cannot seamlessly travel to the Voidstorm by flying up into the portal in the sky, like entering the Caverns of Time, Zaralek Cavern, or the hyperspace flightpaths in Shadowlands. Instead, this is yet another zone in its own isolated instance that you reach by... clicking on a teleporter. Very adventurous!

[mynameismortis]

I have reached level 88 and finished the Midnight levelling questline.

► Zone #4: The Voidstorm

We meet a brand new character, Decimus. He is okay. Will have to see what the level cap questline does with him, if anything at all.

There is oddly no prominent villain in the Voidstorm to fight against like how Ansurek was the endgoal of Azj-Kahet. You are just running around fighting random copypasted Dominaar officers.




Apparently King Salhadaar's death in Manaforge Omega was retconned away. When Xal'atath betrayed him and disintegrated him and vacuumed up his essence into the Dark Heart, apparently she "actually" didn't kill him and released him out of the pokeball to continue working for her (sans dragon). Very strange writing to undermine the player's accomplishments in the climatic raid of the last expansion. So I guess we gotta kill him again in a raid unlocking next week or something. Or maybe he'll die in the level cap questline.

Jeez, if Alleria could have done this all along, this power sure would have come in handy during the BFA war when we were fighting against a Horde that was incinerating entire civilizations! Or when Alleria cornered Xal'atath in the Violet Hold. Could have saved another country! Or when she cornered Xal'atath again with Ansurek in Azj-Kahet. Could have vaporized them both then!




There are two moments in the zone questline where your character has to channel the Light, which just does not make sense when you are playing as Death Knight. This has been a recurring issue throughout the expansion.




Decimus' inn with the jagged obsidian floor hovering over the giant crystals is neat. I wish we could get large decor pieces to replicate that for housing. I don't think there are any crystals that can be scaled up to be large enough to do it.




We run into the same problem as Shadowlands where we go to a place a space fantasy plane that where people from worlds across the universe are being taken to - not just the people of Azeroth or Draenor - but we only see preexisting Azeroth and Draenor races. It seems Blizzard can't be bothered to model a few aliens from other worlds ingame and only bothers to paint them in the 2D shorts. So we just meet abducted splinter Draenei who colonized another planet.






When you are painting the alien Draenei in blood, there is a Death Knight exclusive option. I wasn't 100% clear what exactly was happening so I didn't pick it. Wasn't sure if they were about to all kill themselves or become suicide soldiers to open the portal or something.




We get some more ******** "the Light is not inherently good! It can be le bad!" **** that completely undermines everyone's morality if the holy Light they worship is not, in fact, the one true good and north star of the setting for everyone to base their civilizations and motivations around.




The Voidspire looks similar to the Rakion from ACE Online/Air Rivals. Huge, jagged blackened fortress in space with a giant illuminated orb in it.






Argus v2. Where are the Alliance forces? Why is it only Lightforged Draenei who get to go with our general now?

Only thing left to do is to reach level 90 to start on the level cap questline.

It is very disappointing that you cannot seamlessly travel to the Voidstorm by flying up into the portal in the sky, like entering the Caverns of Time, Zaralek Cavern, or the hyperspace flightpaths in Shadowlands. Instead, this is yet another zone in its own isolated instance that you reach by... clicking on a teleporter. Very adventurous!

I expect the next patch to be le light was the enemy all along and xalath was protecthing us from it and this arathor empire will somehow invade azeroth because why not. Also why is there in every expansion a character who has group therapy sessions? I see this in Anduin, now in Arator who will be next?That black gay lesbian with one hand?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

why is there in every expansion a character who has group therapy sessions? I see this in Anduin, now in Arator who will be next?That black gay lesbian with one hand?

It's been every other chapter at this point for three expansions now.

Dragonflight:

Alexstraza in the Waking Shores, the Thaldrazus drakonoid riot subplot, and in the Vyranoth subplot keeps moping about how the dragons failed or some crap. Infuriatingly, she acts conciliatory to Vyranoth, the member of the big bad triumvirate that is trying to kill everyone and return the world to ye good ole days of tentacle empires. Our hero and leader on the box art is not allowed to be confident and stand up for our team living.

Onh'arn plains questline: the weak emasculated male centaur shaman has to be constantly coaxed along to finally do his job and do the ritual and summon the spirits.

Azure Span: Kalecgos the thousand+ year old dragon super wizard is mopey and has to be coaxed and receive life lessons from the Tuskarr chieftainess.

Baine questline: Baine mopes about how he had held on to his hate of the cannibalistic centaurs who nearly drove his people to extinction as if that was a wrong thing to do.

Return to the Forbidden Reach and Abberus questline: Emberthal and Ebyssian are mopey about Neltharion. Sabelian and Wrathion get robbed of their inheritance to succeed Neltharion as the earth warder, because being confident and proactive makes you too much like dad who was evil. So the passive do-nothing cow Ebyssian becomes the next Black Dragon aspect.



The War Within:

Ringing Deeps: Moira guilt trips her father into feeling bad because she ran away for the evil bad boy dwarf, had his baby, the dad was a demon worshipper and went to war against Moira's people killing them, Magni had to fight back to defend his people and Moira's lover got killed, leaving Moira without a husband and her son without a father. Moira blames Magni for this, while also wanting to have it both ways and still be a Bronzebeard and for her son to inherit both thrones.

Hallowfall: Anduin feels bad

Kirin Tor: Khadgar talks about how bad the Kirin Tor were for... having a cool defensible flying city, teaching people magickm and policing evil mages.

Undermine: Gazlowe has to wax poetic about how much he hates Undermine and doesn't want to go back and how he was ditching his responsibility to step up and take over and how they have to do things right this time.

Arathi: Danath has to mope about how being proud of your heritage and wanting what is best for your people makes you bad.



Midnight:

Zul'Aman: the middle section of the questline is you and Zul'jarra the princess of the Amani going around to four temples to get the blessings of the Loa and becoming their first chosen Hash'ey in generations. The Loa didn't bless her father Zul'jin because he was a warmonger in TBC, and the Amani people view this as a punishment for the whole group. So Zul'jarra is moping a bit (though nowhere near as badly as prior WoW characters). You, Liadrin, the Loa, and the troll chieftains and prophets have to keep reassuring her that she is not her father and is not evil and is the Loa's chosen one.

Harandar: Orenywa is constantly breaking the tribe's (stupid) isolationist rules and is thus on the elder's shitlist and given little to no support in her fight against the evil Light infused monsters. She mopes several times about how bad her people are, and towards the end has to get a motivational talk from another outcast warrior about how what she is doing is actually right and she should do it with her head held high.

Eversong Woods and Arator questline: Arator keeps being a downer about paladining, and throws paladinhood (the collective group of all paladins) under the bus a few times saying they are too "zealous" which will lead them to evil and such.


Ironically, the only character in recent memory who is absolutely confident and is not insinuated to be wrong by the narrative is Sylvanas. When you visit her in the Maw at the end of TWW, she says that she did what she had to do and has no regrets. Whereas other characters who are confident (Baelgrim, Wrathion, Sabelian, Turalyon) get framed as being wrong by the narrative.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I also remember being incredibly frustrated by that Shadowlands patch questline where Uther is mopey and concludes that it was wrong for him to viewed Arthas as evil and to have fought him, and that he should actually have "been there for him".

The moral of the story lately has been that you can't feel good about fighting to save your people or to destroy evil. Whenever you sally out to fight the enemy or evil, either 1. you are on the verge of becoming just like them (somehow) or 2. you are slightly connected to the enemy in some way and now must feel bad about their situation (regardless of whether or not you are really responsible for it).

[Finarfin]

Val, do you notice something?
>Slyvanas
>Woman

>Baelgrim, Wrathion, Sabelian, Turalyon
>Men

[mynameismortis]

I think the writer's team are void worshippers, wouldn't it be a good idea to purge them?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Val, do you notice something?
>Slyvanas
>Woman

>Baelgrim, Wrathion, Sabelian, Turalyon
>Men

I think we can spreadsheet the last 4 years of WoW questlines.

Zone/chapter questline	Male main character (heroic and right)	Confident but demonized male main character	Wimpy/apologetic main male character	Female main character (heroic and right)	Wimpy or negative portrayal of the female main character	Notes
The Forbidden Reach	----	----	----	Emberthal	-----	-----
Waking Shores	----	Wrathion	----	Alexstraza*	-----	Depiction of Alexstraza is overall neutral since she feels bad about her people and the oathstones in this chapter at one point too
Ohn'ahran Plains	----	----	Centaur shaman guy	Various	-----	-----
Old Hatreds	----	Baine	----	----	-----	-----
Azure Span	----	----	Kalecgos	Tuskarr Chieftainess	-----	-----
Return to the Forbidden Reach	----	-----	Ebyssian	----	Emberthal	-----
Abberus	----	Wrathion and Sabellian	Ebyssian	----	Emberthal	-----
Dawn of the Infinite	----	----	----	Chromie	-----	Nozdormu is present and is not condemned but doesn't do anything.
Emerald Dream	----	----	----	Alexstraza, Vyranoth	-----	-----
Misfit Dragons	----	Tyr	----	Vyranoth	-----	-----
Dark Heart	----	----	----	Alleria	-----	-----
Isle of Dorn	----	Baelgrim	----	High Speaker Brinthe	-----	-----
Ringing Deeps	----	-----	Magni	Moira	-----	-----
Hallowfall	----	-----	Anduin	Faerin	-----	-----
Azj-Kahet	The Vizier	The General	----	Alleria, the Weaver	-----	Anduin is present towards the end but does nothing
Kirin Tor	----	-----	Khadgar	----	Jaina	-----
Undermine	----	----	Gazlowe*	----	-----	Gazlowe is very hesitant and is a downer for much of the duration of the chapter.
Arathi	----	-----	Danath	Faerin	-----	-----
K'aresh	----	----	Locus Walker*	Alleria, Ven'ari	-----	*Locus Walker is an overall pretty good character but comes off as a gullible fool towards the end, and doesn't actually do much himself.
The Warning	----	----	Arator	Sylvanas	-----	-----
Sunwell defense	Lor'themar	Turalyon	------	----	-----	-----
Eversong Woods	Umbric	Turalyon	Arator	----	-----	-----
Zul'Aman	----	Zul'jan	----	Zul'jarra, Liadrin	-----	-----
Harandar	----	----	----	----	Orenwya	-----
Arator's Journey	----	Turalyon	Arator	----	-----	-----
Voidstorm	Umbric	Lothraxion, Rommath	Arator	Alleria	-----	Depiction of Alleria and Decimus is neutral

What this has made me realize is that we are 2/3 expansions and 10/18 zones into the Worldsoul Saga (a little over half way through), and yet Anduin and Thrall who were promoted as the main characters have barely appeared. The only main questline characters who have appeared across several questlines so far have been Alleria and now Arator.

[Finarfin]

So disgusting how Anduin is literally relegated to being a background character

[mynameismortis]

Is he in midnight or is there any info about him?

[Finarfin]

You mean Anduin? He is in Midnight but so far he is pretty much in the background. Think I interacted with him twice.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Is he in midnight or is there any info about him?

He is in Midnight, but has only had minor cameos in the main story so far.

He got teleported to the Sunwell along with all of the other notable paladin and priest characters in the game (Dezco, Aponi Brightmane, Taelia, etc). During the Sunwell intro, you find him and Faerin defending a gazebo where the wounded are being taken to.

Later on you bring back holy weapons from Light's Hope Chapel to recharge the paladins who are channeling the Light into the Sunwell to keep the Voidstorm overhead at bay, and Anduin is one of them.

There is a part where Umbric is captured by paladins when he got near the Sunwell, and Anduin is standing in front and is trying to stop them from lopping Umbric's head off.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

What is quite bizarre is that Anduin here is a sidenote when he should be a huge deal in Midnight.

After the death of Varian at the start of Legion, Anduin succeeded Varian as king of Stormwind and as High King of the Alliance, one of the two dominant superpowers. In Battle for Azeroth, he is tied with Warchief Sylvanas as the most important decision maker and person in the world. In 8.3 the Horde disbands the Warchief system and spreads out power amongst a Horde Council, leaving Anduin as the number one most important man in the world. He gets kidnapped by the Mawsworn at the start of Shadowlands and then vanishes for five years as he goes on a road trip, with Turalyon becoming regent of Stormwind and of the Alliance in his place. He comes back in TWW to help out in Khaz Algar, the rest of the world didn't know about Khaz Algar, and not much major happens there that is relevant globally.

In Midnight, Quel'thelas - the Northern most kingdom on the Alliance's home continent - is facing oblivion. Both the Alliance's High King, Prophet Velen, and the regent AND the Army of the Light that is loyal to the regent all get teleported to the Sunwell. Once you finish the Sunwell defense, Turalyon goes to the capital building in Silvermoon, the Sanctum of Light, to command the situation and negotiate with Quel'thelas' sovereign, Lor'themar. But shouldn't the High King be doing this? Turalyon is better known for his talents as a general anyway. And this would be Anduin's opportunity to reestablish himself on the world stage and to reassure his people that their sovereign is back.

[Finarfin]

I made a Haranir and they still talk to me as if I am an Outsider - an N'wah -

One NPC that gives you Quests in the starting area says "Stranger..." "Go... now!" "What do you want?" "Do not return!"

wtf, did they literally just cobble this addon together and call it a day?

[Oyster Sauce]

Is every new race in WoW available to both factions? It was a cute gimmick one time.

[Finarfin]

There are 4 races that are available to both factions.
Pandaren
Dracthyr
Haranir
Earthen

[rusty_shackleford]

Haranir

they're literally just fat nightelves lmao

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my sides are in orbit

[mynameismortis]

Haranir

they're literally just fat nightelves lmao

my sides are in orbit

Furry elves

[Oyster Sauce]

Imagine night elves... but more druidy

[mynameismortis]

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Not sure how real this spoiler is but i find it in line what the writing team has done in the last years