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Games which refer to your age shouldn't let you create an old-looking character

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Games which refer to your age shouldn't let you create an old-looking character

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I reckon in Mass Effect you can also create a fairly old looking character and you will be referred to as if you were quite very young.

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I'm playing Guild Wars 2, where multiple character faces look OLD. I'm still referred to as young by NPCs who themselves look extremely youthful. That's just stupid. It irritates me whenever it happens. Either make the NPC look ancient or restrict character's looks to youthful (which would be stupid). Or better yet - don't refer to player's age.
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Yeah. In FF14, during a dry patch period, I fantasied from Lalafell to an old Elezen on a whim for a few months while doing roulettes. It became immediately obvious that it would make no sense to go through the main story as this character, or even as a 30+ year old looking character like some of the Highlander or Roegadyn faces. You are treated as a young man at the start of the game, a peer to Alphinaud and Alisaie, etc.

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With MMOs it is understandably because they are effectively a different monetization model for the same type of long running serialized RPG story like Trails. The difference is that here you create the character and play it for 10 or 20+ years of entries rather than changing between preset protagonists every few installments. The story has to be written so that your character isn't already in the know about everything happening and slowly gets brought into the fold, and it makes the most sense to do that if they start as a young man taking his first steps out of his starter village into the wider world. This also lets the authority and mentor figures retain their status and be effective towards the protagonist in teaching them and giving them a goalpost to eventually become like later on, whereas if you already start out as old then that doesn't work well.

WoW, GW2, and FF14 do use this to varying degrees of effectiveness. In WoW, by Cataclysm and MoP, you are you are an extremely accomplished veteran of your faction, and the handpicked man for the MoP operation. You are also personally scouted by the Black Prince who lavishes his treasury on you to do his bidding. And then in WoD, you are personally appointed by the High King/Warchief as general of the Draenor campaign, and get to build your own base and lead a small army. That felt rewarding. Sadly that was all undone come BFA when you get relegated to being a nonentity. Dragonflight and TWW feel really bizzare because 20 years have canonically passed since Vanilla. You are by rights the most accomplished man on Azeroth, moreso than Jaina, Thrall, etc. But you are never a consideration as a go-to guy or being reappointed as general, etc, and instead have to stand behind while these less accomplished people dictate what to do.

FF14 becomes somewhat unsatisfying over the long term because you constantly liberate kingdoms, befriend princes, and then they personally ask you to come work for them as their right hand man or their general. In Dawntrail, you get personally asked to become the supreme commander of Tural, the largest empire in the world spanning not-North American to not-South America. But you are railroaded into passing it up and remaining an independent adventurer.

GW2 did it well with the protagonist becoming Traehearne's right hand man, learning the ropes of running an operation, and then inheriting it. Season 4 felt great as you became the leader of the coalition to defeat Kralkatorik, and Aurene's champion.
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New Vegas has a weird issue where some situations treat you like a kid and some situations treat you like a grizzled veteran of the wasteland.
I'm just stating the facts.
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I wish MMOs would write the characters more as grunts so the MMO system makes more sense. I'm grand being a world-saviour in Single-Player but in MMO that doesn't work all that great. It's like games using soulslike mechanics without a story explanation - it just doesn't work well.
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Also, your character looks cool as ****. :salute:
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ATOM does, so does Fallout.
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OP doesn't go far enough. Face sliders are degenerate. Character customization should involve picking between half a dozen presets and maybe changing the name if you are lucky!
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J1M wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 21:49
OP doesn't go far enough. Face sliders are degenerate. Character customization should involve picking between half a dozen presets and maybe changing the name if you are lucky!
Hogwash. The best customization is no customization.
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J1M wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 21:49
OP doesn't go far enough. Face sliders are degenerate. Character customization should involve picking between half a dozen presets and maybe changing the name if you are lucky!
Nothing like having to choose between two effeminate white man, a few black man, a couple of asian dudes and a bunch of unattractive woman.
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I'm still waiting for a game that has reactivity based on your appearance
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 22:31
I'm still waiting for a game that has reactivity based on your appearance
I remember Trudograd having some dialogue line that recognized I was wearing a helmet that fully covered my face and therefore the guy couldn't tell who I was, can't really remember the context but it was neat.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 22:31
I'm still waiting for a game that has reactivity based on your appearance
It is not based on your face/race/etc, but KCD had characters react differently to you based on how you dressed and how clean you were. If you were in rags, characters wouldn't have much respect towards you, or even think you are a thief. If you dressed in nicer clothes or in decent gear, they would greet you kindly. If you dressed in a full plate of armor or rich clothes (and you were clean), they would greet you with deference. If you were covered in blood or dirt, they would say that you look disheveled. You would need to visit the bath house regularly to get clean, but in the game the bathhouses seem to be borderline prostitution dens, so you could content yourself to just using the wash basin at the base.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 22:31
I'm still waiting for a game that has reactivity based on your appearance
I haven't played it but isn't VtMB reactive like this as per your appearance? I saw a video of a dude playing as one of those Nosferatu things and NPCs seemed to react accordingly. :thinking:
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 22:36
I remember Trudograd having some dialogue line that recognized I was wearing a helmet that fully covered my face and therefore the guy couldn't tell who I was, can't really remember the context but it was neat.
But I guess they haven't re-developed heraldry to resolve that issue, then?
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Maledict wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 20:24
I wish MMOs would write the characters more as grunts so the MMO system makes more sense.
And when you finally reach level cap and have saved the world, you become Corporal Ramirez instead?
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Norfleet wrote: ↑ February 16th, 2026, 12:58
Maledict wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 20:24
I wish MMOs would write the characters more as grunts so the MMO system makes more sense.
And when you finally reach level cap and have saved the world, you become Corporal Ramirez instead?
Youre just one of many whose effort saved the world.
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Maledict wrote: ↑ February 16th, 2026, 13:05
Youre just one of many whose effort saved the world.
Nah, because Ramirez does everything, remember?
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OGchan wrote: ↑ February 16th, 2026, 10:22
Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ February 15th, 2026, 22:31
I'm still waiting for a game that has reactivity based on your appearance
I haven't played it but isn't VtMB reactive like this as per your appearance? I saw a video of a dude playing as one of those Nosferatu things and NPCs seemed to react accordingly. :thinking:
Prebuilt characters don't count