Ashes Of Creation — releasing NEVER EVER

[Xenich]

For sure, just read some effort post on their forums about how "this time it will be different"

Supposedly this MMORPG with open world PvP is about talking your way out of fights and not just zerging and joining massive e-clans lead by influencers.

MFW.

They are going to release a PvP game without a wipe and a bunch of new level 1's will join the game to get farmed by the higher level players.

This is going to be amazing to watch.

Heh, famous last words by them. It is like they have never played FFA PvP and have no clue what they are getting into.

The @Norfleet PvP types are going to eat the server alive. LOL

[rusty_shackleford]

every developer thinks their open world pvp will work this time because it's different

[Ranselknulf]

I just hope the cash shop lets me buy instant kills to use on my opponents.

[Vaako]

Way too many mmorpgs with cooldown on every basic ***** skill. Does this game even have anything unique to other games?

[WaterMage]

every developer thinks their open world pvp will work this time because it's different

It can work IF the game is now very gear dependent. For eg, in Shadowbane, being ganked and losing gear is not as punishing as it would be in wow.

[rusty_shackleford]

every developer thinks their open world pvp will work this time because it's different

It can work IF the game is now very gear dependent. For eg, in Shadowbane, being ganked and losing gear is not as punishing as it would be in wow.

where is shadowbane now?

[Norfleet]

every developer thinks their open world pvp will work this time because it's different

Open PvP inevitably leads to a game where somebody wins it. At that point, the game is over. How they intend to resolve this is unclear.

[Xenich]

every developer thinks their open world pvp will work this time because it's different

It can work IF the game is now very gear dependent. For eg, in Shadowbane, being ganked and losing gear is not as punishing as it would be in wow.

I played it at release, there were huge problems outside of gear. FFA PvP never works out... as @Norfleet pointed out, eventually someone wins and dominates everything.

It is sad these guys waste all of this time to make some massive RPG world only to turn it into an FPS game.

[7Trickster]

For sure, just read some effort post on their forums about how "this time it will be different"

Supposedly this MMORPG with open world PvP is about talking your way out of fights and not just zerging and joining massive e-clans lead by influencers.

MFW.

They are going to release a PvP game without a wipe and a bunch of new level 1's will join the game to get farmed by the higher level players.

This is going to be amazing to watch.

Heh, famous last words by them. It is like they have never played FFA PvP and have no clue what they are getting into.

The @Norfleet PvP types are going to eat the server alive. LOL

I still remember Age of Conan and how proud Failcum was about their FFA PvP. Everyone was playing that scumbag brown-priest class that just rooted your *** and deleted you. Now the game is dead and its last PvP server even more so.
You're right about FFA PvP, it always end up with one or two guilds dominating. Doesn't matter if it's an MMORPG or a Survival game.

I knew when they said it'd be heavily focused on PvP that it wouldn't be for me.

[Rienen]

Well, gents... My last post talked about how I've been bitten by KS before, and it looks like it's time to add another notch to that belt.

I can make a limited statement in my personal capacity and not on behalf of the company, regarding the situation. Control of the company shifted away from me, and the Board began directing actions that I could not ethically agree with or carry out. As a result, I chose to resign in protest rather than lend my name or authority to decisions I could not ethically support. Following my resignation, much of the senior leadership team resigned. Following those departures, the Board made the decision to issue WARN Act notices and proceed with a mass layoff.

I cannot responsibly speak to further details at this time due to ongoing legal and governance matters. What I can say is that the developers and staff acted in good faith and deserved better than the uncertainty they are now facing. I am incredibly dismayed by the situation.

— Steven Sharif

Link to the discord message

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A bunch of people were also let go and it appears things are done.

Edit: There's obviously more to the story, but I'm not a journalist. I'm sure more will come out in the coming week. In the meantime, feel free to start dancing on the grave.

[Tweed]

At this point any new MMO is basically a scam and DoA.

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't count early access as a release so I'm claiming victory on the never ever.

[Rienen]

I don't count early access as a release so I'm claiming victory on the never ever.

Oh, I'm completely with you that a hastily, out of no where, embarrassingly half-baked version of the game being tossed onto Steam shouldn't count. Claim, away, sir. Claim, away.

[Ranselknulf]

There's chatter about the lead developer taking the money and leaving the company under the guise of he "disagreed with the board of directors"

Servers likely to shut down within the month.

[Finarfin]

The board of directors that apparently are comprised of him and another dude? The same board he said 4 years ago wasn't even there because he doesn't want to answer and appease them?

[Tangerine]

There's chatter about the lead developer taking the money and leaving the company under the guise of he "disagreed with the board of directors"

Servers likely to shut down within the month.

I believe that a lot more than it being a principled stand.

[J1M]

The board of directors that apparently are comprised of him and another dude? The same board he said 4 years ago wasn't even there because he doesn't want to answer and appease them?

I skipped through a youtube video about this. In the most recent company filing, the CEO is the only member of the board of directors. The other person you mention is the CFO. There are no other officers.

TLDR: He lied, has run other scam-adjacent businesses before, and there will probably be a lawsuit about the definition of 'launch' since they promised to refund kickstarter money if it didn't launch. Seems clear they did what they thought would be a legally defensible launch and wrapped up the company, while also referring to it as not being the launch in their company communications.

In summary, the game delivered exactly what was promised: all of the backers got ganked.

[Norfleet]

Oh lookit that. Another kickstarter scam. Who'd have predicted THAT would happen?

[mynameismortis]

Do you think more will come out?

[Finarfin]

me knowing I dodged a ******* bullet. Can't believe I actually considered buying access for $100. I'd rather give that ******* money Nublizzard.

[UltraFan123]

I was quite interested in this game back when I first heard of it in 2018, and even then I always felt that a single-player RPG would've been a far better idea than another MMO.

By 2020 I eventually lost interest and stopped following the updates. I can only imagine how disappointed the ones who have sticked around since the beginning must feel.

[Norfleet]

I still remember Age of Conan and how proud Failcum was about their FFA PvP. Everyone was playing that scumbag brown-priest class that just rooted your *** and deleted you. Now the game is dead and its last PvP server even more so.
You're right about FFA PvP, it always end up with one or two guilds dominating. Doesn't matter if it's an MMORPG or a Survival game.

I knew when they said it'd be heavily focused on PvP that it wouldn't be for me.

The thing is, I *LIKE* PvP, but yes, I realize that it cannot be any other way. Any kind of persistent, high-impact PvP, necessarily creates a snowball: The winners win increasingly more, the losers quit playing, no one new can effectively join because there is no real way to overcome entrenched advantage in materiel, manpower, and experience, so anyone who joins loses and therefore eventually quits as well, and the game inevitably spirals and dies.

This is why the crowd of "homeless MMO players" that latch onto any new MMO proposal inevitably steers it towards hardcore PvP (because this market is necessarily underserved as every game that tries to serve it must inevitably die), resulting in the homeless MMO players being dominated by this crowd. I'd know, I'm part of that crowd. I just happen to know better.

Also, "control powers" are basically cancer in a PvP environment. Putting in abilities that functionally just exist to stop people from playing the game is an absolutely terrible idea.

[mercerxiv]

Crash and burn, baby!

Now, who here invested anything into this obvious scam? C'mon, raise your hands now and be shamed, as you should be.

[Rand]

I told people that it would release before shutting down within a year and having serious technical issues, but they didn't believe me.
How did I know?
Simple. People were guaranteed their Kickstarter pledges back if it didn't release. So it released to give them legal cover so they never have to honor that when they get sued.

I also called the play. The makers limped it to the finish line, sold the company and cashed out, coming up with an excuse why development would stop.
It was basically the equivalent of an "influencer" doing a crypto coin pump and dump, and it was obvious that was what was likely to happen when it was clear the game was promoted showing it was way too ambitious.

I also called the cash shop working perfectly and being extremely expensive so as to milk the whales at their limit as fast as possible.

[Rienen]

Crash and burn, baby!

Now, who here invested anything into this obvious scam? C'mon, raise your hands now and be shamed, as you should be.

Well, I've already spoken up and mentioned it as one of my 'Failed KS' notches. I fully own up to the fact that, at the time, I was single, had disposable income, and was genuinely looking for a new MMO/game world to explore.

That said, of the various KS projects that I've backed, I knew that AoC was far and away the most risky and the one that had the most potential to blow in my face. And, well, look at that... it did.

The good news... bad news... current situation is that there's nothing anyone from 2026 could say that I haven't already been saying to myself once hope ended that the game would ever come out in a state that resembled the lofty claims Interpid made to part me from my money.

I guess the silver lining from all of this is that, since backing the project in 2017, I've become more jaded, more skeptical, and immensely more racist. So, I'll take the small victories where I can get them.

[Norfleet]

That said, of the various KS projects that I've backed, I knew that AoC was far and away the most risky and the one that had the most potential to blow in my face. And, well, look at that... it did.

Just wait until Scam Shitizen finally blows up.

[mercerxiv]

Oh, wasn't addressed at anyone in particular. Just saying that I'm glad I can finally stop hearing about that steaming pile in a few weeks of reactions to reactions by asmongold™®©.

[NezahualDoomer]

I just made a video about these recent news; **** is cancelled, it wasn't surprising for people like me that were warning people for years,we kept saying this **** was a ******* scam but the FANATICS and the cult around it kept believing.

******* NPC's seriously and we should point fingers at the content creators like Asmongrifter for keep shilling and defending the game from the push back; I will expose that scoundrel about this game on a later video, for now I am more interested in sharing to the people that believed the scam why they believed it.

[Norfleet]

Blah Blah Blah

You know what the obvious red flag giveaway that stuck out immediately to me was? The part where they were expecting me to give them money. The MOMENT I see that, I immediately walk away. Period. I need to look at nothing else.

The decision matrix is VERY SIMPLE:

Does it want me to give them money?

YES: SCAM DETECTED

NO: Who cares? Not my money, not my problem.

This is the ONE QUESTION you need to evaluate and the only thing that matters. Just follow this simple one-step flowchart and you always win.

[NezahualDoomer]

Blah Blah Blah

You know what the obvious red flag giveaway that stuck out immediately to me was? The part where they were expecting me to give them money. The MOMENT I see that, I immediately walk away. Period. I need to look at nothing else.

The decision matrix is VERY SIMPLE:

Does it want me to give them money?

YES: SCAM DETECTED

NO: Who cares? Not my money, not my problem.

This is the ONE QUESTION you need to evaluate and the only thing that matters. Just follow this simple one-step flowchart and you always win.

I mean yeah, but there is way more to it, you could be passig up a great opportunity by saying no to everything, the problem is also most people can't just say no to the "sunk cost fallacy" that easily and there is where they get em.