World of Warcraft: Retail, Classic and Private

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Always felt like talent trees were a very meh idea anyways, in an MMO that is. 98% of people of the same spec are going to use identical talents anyways.

There needs to be SOME class customization, so that you can tailor the experience to the way you want it. Don't like high APM gameplay? Well the retribution paladin talent tree allows you to make crusader strike into an autoattack and to increase the holy power cost of certain abilities, so you can spend less of your time frenetically mashing buttons. Or it can be something as simple as playing frost DK and thinking "yeah, it'd be cool to press a button and swing a scythe for aoe damage". That is good. If you have an MMO with no class customization, you get FF14, where you can't better tailor your classes to you at all, and have to put up with the problems of all of the classes or can't add a few extra things to make them more appealing to you.

[J1M]

**** everyone who whined about having 5 talents that gave 1% crit each. The increasing layers of obfuscation over the limited character customization options provide no value.

I was called a contrarian for saying that I preferred the MoP talent trees that cut out the fluff and only presented you with the options that actually mattered. Having to mouse over all of these +1 STR nodes to find and path to the nodes that I actually want is time consuming and not that fun. Elaborate talent trees look nice at a glance or in your mind but are not actually fun to deal with in gameplay.

Those were fine too. The real value of them was a sense of progression as you levelled up. It was a tangible marker of progress that the player could digest better than a 5% health and damage increase.

I think they should have allowed you to grind out XP or something else at max level so that you eventually unlocked all of the talents. It should have been a levelling feature, not a means of character identity.

[J1M]

Always felt like talent trees were a very meh idea anyways, in an MMO that is. 98% of people of the same spec are going to use identical talents anyways.

There needs to be SOME class customization, so that you can tailor the experience to the way you want it. Don't like high APM gameplay? Well the retribution paladin talent tree allows you to make crusader strike into an autoattack and to increase the holy power cost of certain abilities, so you can spend less of your time frenetically mashing buttons. Or it can be something as simple as playing frost DK and thinking "yeah, it'd be cool to press a button and swing a scythe for aoe damage". That is good. If you have an MMO with no class customization, you get FF14, where you can't better tailor your classes to you at all, and have to put up with the problems of all of the classes or can't add a few extra things to make them more appealing to you.

If that was the goal, then they failed miserably. I don't think there's any meaningful APM changes in player choices. Though the rate of play increased sharply over the years. I think they should just design things clearly: rogue is the button masher class and the paladin is the auto-attack class, for example. Make sure people know the philosophy, tell them to switch classes if they don't like it instead of homogenizing everything.

[rusty_shackleford]

Always felt like talent trees were a very meh idea anyways, in an MMO that is. 98% of people of the same spec are going to use identical talents anyways.

There needs to be SOME class customization, so that you can tailor the experience to the way you want it. Don't like high APM gameplay? Well the retribution paladin talent tree allows you to make crusader strike into an autoattack and to increase the holy power cost of certain abilities, so you can spend less of your time frenetically mashing buttons. Or it can be something as simple as playing frost DK and thinking "yeah, it'd be cool to press a button and swing a scythe for aoe damage". That is good. If you have an MMO with no class customization, you get FF14, where you can't better tailor your classes to you at all, and have to put up with the problems of all of the classes or can't add a few extra things to make them more appealing to you.

You're just describing specs tho
Nearly every talent tree choice was nothing but a Timmy card question, very rarely was there ever a real choice

[Stack of Turtles]

Always felt like talent trees were a very meh idea anyways, in an MMO that is. 98% of people of the same spec are going to use identical talents anyways.

There needs to be SOME class customization, so that you can tailor the experience to the way you want it. Don't like high APM gameplay? Well the retribution paladin talent tree allows you to make crusader strike into an autoattack and to increase the holy power cost of certain abilities, so you can spend less of your time frenetically mashing buttons. Or it can be something as simple as playing frost DK and thinking "yeah, it'd be cool to press a button and swing a scythe for aoe damage". That is good. If you have an MMO with no class customization, you get FF14, where you can't better tailor your classes to you at all, and have to put up with the problems of all of the classes or can't add a few extra things to make them more appealing to you.

You're just describing specs tho
Nearly every talent tree choice was nothing but a Timmy card question, very rarely was there ever a real choice

wtf is a "Timmy card question"?

[mynameismortis]

Has anyone tried housing yet? Wondering if its just copy paste of FF14 housing or some other game

[Finarfin]

Nope, not a copy. Better than ffxiv antiquated japshit

[Finarfin]

Has anyone tried housing yet? Wondering if its just copy paste of FF14 housing or some other game

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Has anyone tried housing yet? Wondering if its just copy paste of FF14 housing or some other game

Made one when it came out. It is similar to FF14 housing in that you have to buy preset decor items and rearrange them/clip them together to make a build, though unlike FF14 you can resize, free move, and rotate the pieces. You don't have to do the annoying FF14 thing of tediously floating up the decor items. You also get a larger build limit for your exterior plot of land, though it is still limiting.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

My main gripe with WoW housing is how expensive it is to decorate. Decor items start at 3k per pop on the AH and rapidly getting to 10k+. In a game where it takes serious play over at least a week or so to get 100k+. FF14 in contrast, your average AH decor items ranges from 20k to 200k but the game showers you in gil so that you can make a million gil in about a week of serious play, so it's not that bad.

A lot of WoW decor is locked behind rep grinds and completion of extremely lengthy questlines.

Another good feature that WoW's housing system has is the ability to place different rooms. You can place a small room, an octagonal room, a corridor, a tall vertical room, etc. Unfortunately, the larger rooms - and the room that looks like an outdoor environment - is timegated behind housing exp, which you can only get 2,000 of per month. So it would take several months before I'd be able to unlock the large interir room or the outside looking room to build a grandiose castle for my pandaren character (large throne room, and a large courtyard).

[J1M]

If housing items are too expensive, why not be a seller?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If housing items are too expensive, why not be a seller?

Professions require a lot of investment to get started in, and then the actual act of figuring out what to sell and then procuring the mats for it requires having to do spreadsheeting and fiddling with esoteric AH addons and websites. It's too much work, and if I really need gold then I would rather just buy WoW tokens since that is far more time efficient.

[J1M]

If housing items are too expensive, why not be a seller?

Professions require a lot of investment to get started in, and then the actual act of figuring out what to sell and then procuring the mats for it requires having to do spreadsheeting and fiddling with esoteric AH addons and websites. It's too much work, and if I really need gold then I would rather just buy WoW tokens since that is far more time efficient.

Oh, yeah, professions have been awful for a couple of expansions now. I would assume those items would be much cheaper once the new expansion comes out and the hype goes down.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If housing items are too expensive, why not be a seller?

Professions require a lot of investment to get started in, and then the actual act of figuring out what to sell and then procuring the mats for it requires having to do spreadsheeting and fiddling with esoteric AH addons and websites. It's too much work, and if I really need gold then I would rather just buy WoW tokens since that is far more time efficient.

Oh, yeah, professions have been awful for a couple of expansions now. I would assume those items would be much cheaper once the new expansion comes out and the hype goes down.

The prices already bottomed out and have gone back up a couple thousand gold. At launch, an Elder's Rise rug costed 10k. A couple weeks ago it bottomed out at 500 gold, and now it is back up to 3k.

[Finarfin]

If housing items are too expensive, why not be a seller?

Professions require a lot of investment to get started in, and then the actual act of figuring out what to sell and then procuring the mats for it requires having to do spreadsheeting and fiddling with esoteric AH addons and websites. It's too much work, and if I really need gold then I would rather just buy WoW tokens since that is far more time efficient.

buy tokens, why pay real money though? (I suppose it might be easy to do if you play WOW longterm though)

[J1M]

After trying the free weekend I don't think I can motivate myself to play this again. It feels like groundhog day or something. Just a new group of developers photocopying what the last group did.

[Oyster Sauce]

Reinstalled for the free weekend just to look at my guys

Dalaran is empty and I'm all alone. It's a creepy feeling.



I have 56k gold, a pumpkin helmet, and a remote that takes me to the Grim Guzzler. Takes me a while to remember where the portals are.



...or so I thought. There was only a portal to Tanaris.



My problem with talent trees is that I want to use the cool flavorful abilities that aren't very good.



I thought MoP was after the flying redesign. There's probably a license somewhere for it.



Some dipshit dragon that probably gave me grief many moons ago is instantly slain by the squad.



There are 23 people online in this server. Even if I did want to start playing again it would probably cost $100-$200 to transfer all of my characters to a realm that isn't completely dead.



I remember that death knight's can warp back to mother base freely. Pretty sure there are supposed to be portals here, but it's just a flight path.





They banished Wu Ping....



They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.....



That cask of wine I bought has aged but now I have nobody to share it with....



I once witnessed/participated in a gangbang in this bed



The king wants me to go to Redridge



I don't even know how to get to China. **** this game.



I played my priest until WOTLK anyway.



Real ones know.



The toybox is very convenient, but dedicating inventory slots to stupid items for years was much more soulful.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I don't even know how to get to China.

IIRC you had to be level 84 or 85 to get the quest that takes you there and makes the portal clickable. It was not until the portal room that was added in the BFA patches that you could click on a portal and go to any continent/planet without having previously unlocked it via story progression.

[mynameismortis]

MOP is pretty much dead no?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

[Rienen]

Xaryu: Tries to be analytical with "I'm curious what the data is saying...", as though this woman, like all management at every company, won't simply lie or heavily cherry-pick to simply do what they want.

<literal seconds later>

Woman spouts off an anecdotal reason, based on emotion, with no actual data, using children as a shield, so she can justify the change.

[J1M]

Would love to know where that anecdote came from. Which form does someone need to fill out so Holly reads it and takes it seriously? Sounds like something a family member would say at brunch to deflect a question about why they haven't played the most recent expansion that she released.

[Oyster Sauce]

If Blizzard wasn't gay (important) and just made Classic+ on Steam they'd beat their historical peak subscriber counts overnight

[Finarfin]

Technically it would be easy to put WOW on Steam, though I suppose they don't wanna miss out on the 30% cut

[Oyster Sauce]

Technically it would be easy to put WOW on Steam, though I suppose they don't wanna miss out on the 30% cut

They'd make up the difference with the extra subscriptions. I know it in my heart.

[Finarfin]

Well, write the support and tell em. They put Diablo and Overwatch on Steam, so why not WOW

[Bhaalspawn Jr]

FFS. I just downloaded TBC and was eager to play, but I just can't fund these ****.

And Metzen was a *** all along too? ****

[Oyster Sauce]

Tbh they should just license out classic

[sheet]

I won't give them any money knowing they will eventually drop Windows 10 support and not support Linux.

I don't feel this way about games on Steam.

[mynameismortis]

Would be pretty funny if true and not some bait from the russian pirate