Gender-Locked Classes

[Brother Michael]

I wonder if the gutting of race locked classes is more a result of build crafting autism, Tumblr-esque attention whoring (I'm playing an orc wizard who acts no different from a human! Aren't I so unique and creative?), or liberal hostility to notions of particularity.

The disenchantment of the world seems to have spread to fantasy itself, and the end of particularity is a symptom. All that remains of elves in DND is that they are beautiful humans with pointy ears, long lives, and might use magic a bit more on average in a world where more people can cast cantrips than cannot. As in real life, the attempt to uproot people from their particular history and culture only leaves them with their most basic stereotypes of those things without any context for why they are so. Elves might be haughty towards the short lived, but does that make any sense when they all share a neighborhood?

"Breaking through" these stereotypes is then presented as a virtue to draw people away from their last shreds of identity so that they become true "individuals," and thus we end up with obnoxious gimmick characters and gnome barbarians whose entire premise rests on a physical disadvantage that might not even be reflected in the mechanics depending on your edition. I'm sympathetic to the argument that adventurers are meant to be exceptional, but the use of point-buy and the flatness of racial distinction undermines that notion. It's always in the back of my mind that the reason this gnome has 18 strength is because a player wanted him to. Thankfully, I think the majority of players prefer a harmony of race and class, but it should be more strictly enforced.

[J1M]

Theorycrafting only exists at the intersection of various restrictions. You can disagree with that form of emergent gameplay, but it isn't the reason everything became generic.

[rusty_shackleford]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

[roldet]

All that remains of elves in DND is that they are beautiful humans with pointy ears, long lives,

I wish lol. Now they have wrinkles and ugly. Just look at bg3 elves.

Edit: Also recommend Kings Bounty games, these games are the most faithful franchise ever to established fantasy tropes.

[maidenhaver]

I've never rolled a male sorcerer. That should mean something.

[rusty_shackleford]

I've never rolled a male sorcerer. That should mean something.

Means you've played as a woman

[Vaako]

yeah well male amazon or valkyrie as class wouldnt make much sense and look gay

[Vaako]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

[rusty_shackleford]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

he's a drow but not evil and totally cool and has two scimitars and not like those other evil drow

[Vaako]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

he's a drow but not evil and totally cool and has two scimitars and not like those other evil drow

Drizzt himself got very boring, but Enterei and Yarlaxle/Gromph were pretty cool in the books. But the books certainly went on too long with all the deaths and resurrections happening.

[J1M]

why?

he's a drow but not evil and totally cool and has two scimitars and not like those other evil drow

Drizzt himself got very boring, but Enterei and Yarlaxle/Gromph were pretty cool in the books. But the books certainly went on too long with all the deaths and resurrections happening.

Those names all sound like placeholders that made it past an editor.

[Tangerine]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

Now you can't have races that are inherently evil; it's all blank slate theory even for drow, orcs, and goblins because of one exception.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The only Forgotten Realms novel I ever read was Icewind Dale. I barely remember anything about it, but I don't remember Drizzt being irritating or anything. I thought it was cool that IIRC he had a little panther statue he could throw out and it'd become a real big panther fighting alongside him.

[Vaako]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

Now you can't have races that are inherently evil; it's all blank slate theory even for drow, orcs, and goblins because of one exception.

I dont really mind a few exceptions, keeps things interesting. But when the exception becomes the rule and usual, then it went too far. But it also depends how well it is done. Rings of Power certainly couldnt pull it off with the orcs there to be believable and makes not much sense to begin with low iq orcs which are just predators, now wanting to settle and have kids yeah ridiculous.

[rusty_shackleford]

"As I created them, there are absolutely no good Drow save for the insane." — Gary Gygax

[Oyster Sauce]

100% evil races shouldn't be palette swapped elves, gary

[Tangerine]

100% evil races shouldn't be palette swapped elves, gary

He made them black. How much more do you need to know they're evil?

[Eyestabber]

100% evil races shouldn't be palette swapped elves, gary

He made them black. How much more do you need to know they're evil?

And female dominated, don't forget.

[Tinky Winky]

Everyone who voted yes is a closeted ***** o algo.

[WaterMage]

drizzt was the worst thing to ever happen to fantasy RPGs

why?

he's a drow but not evil and totally cool and has two scimitars and not like those other evil drow

If a Drow is not evil, he is insane. IMO would be cool if all of his "goodness" is only due a mindcontrol spell + permanency.

"As I created them, there are absolutely no good Drow save for the insane." — Gary Gygax

Drizzt is insane.

[maidenhaver]

I've never rolled a male sorcerer. That should mean something.

Means you've played as a woman

Male sorcerers are ********.

[Kalarion]

I dont really mind a few exceptions, keeps things interesting. But when the exception becomes the rule and usual, then it went too far. But it also depends how well it is done. Rings of Power certainly couldnt pull it off with the orcs there to be believable and makes not much sense to begin with low iq orcs which are just predators, now wanting to settle and have kids yeah ridiculous.

The exception never stays the exception in Libtard World. Remember how there were never any female Space Marines or Custodes?

Better to nuke them all than let libtards get even a glance at "a few exceptions".

[Vaako]

I dont really mind a few exceptions, keeps things interesting. But when the exception becomes the rule and usual, then it went too far. But it also depends how well it is done. Rings of Power certainly couldnt pull it off with the orcs there to be believable and makes not much sense to begin with low iq orcs which are just predators, now wanting to settle and have kids yeah ridiculous.

The exception never stays the exception in Libtard World. Remember how there were never any female Space Marines or Custodes?

Better to nuke them all than let libtards get even a glance at "a few exceptions".

Yeah should have stopped that 30+ years ago. If warhammer isnt save and cant gatekeep its way too late already. Problem was the invention of the Smartphone that every ****** is on the internet these days and enough people listen to them.

[asf]

make it so only men can be warrior/wizard/rogue/barbarian

women can be uh... decoration?

[DemoGraph]

make it so only men can be warrior/wizard/rogue/barbarian

women can be uh... decoration?

Loot.

Also priest, sister of mercy, psychologist, sniper, ruler and your goddess.

[Kolgrim]

What about genderfluid classes?

[asf]

****

[rusty_shackleford]

Everyone who voted yes is a closeted ***** o algo.

idgi, how does having a female party member make you a closeted *****?

[asf]

closeted simp

[Havitner]

apropos

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