Various tabletop stuff not deserving its own thread

[Rand]

I really dislike how D&D and derivatives put 10 copper = 1 silver, 10 silver = 1 gold.
Among other things it would mean that golden swords and cutlery should be quite common compared to copper ones. "Look, honey, I brought you a golden necklace that's worth less than your copper cauldron, marry me!"
It's as if devs are unable to copy Roman coinage.

I always assumed that dwarves digging out all those precious metals and gems devalued them across the economy.

[Barntar who Plows]

Anything by Evil Hat really.

Their products are **** (TSL is straight from the bowls of Tumblr, one of my favorite reviewers Notepad Anon made a very entertaining video on it).

They've used Lovecraft's work and in that very book proceed to bash him. They tend to be very open showcasing their far-left politics (in other words woke), such as the "we expect you to kill fascists" in Diaspora and possibly other ******** lines (you should not be expected nor guilt tripped into doing anything in any game).

The FATE system brings me great suffering. I'm sure some people like it, I do not. It is awful and I grow suspicious of anyone who uses it.

Employees, angry ***** supporters, whomever else tends to threaten merchants for selling things they don't like, DriveThruRPG has come under fire by them before. Don't recall how successful, just know that it was at least partly because the FATE system sells well enough (which is not much these days, their books fail often) with the normalfags who trawl that site, they either remove the obscure books that probably aren't selling well or risk losing however much money FATE system books sell. Don't remember the exact details but there was a game called Rebel Scum that promoted violence against Republicans by labeling them as-of course-national socialists. They removed it, some random "journalist" made an article on some site no one cares about bashing them, they responded for some reason, Redditors...er, Reddit, then I think Evil Hat made some statement or threat to them for daring to remove the book that bashes their opposed political spectrum. Another thing that they also supposed threatened DTRPG over was a GamerGate meme card game...you can guess how this went. Simply put, they don't tolerate anything they don't like and will use any and all influence they can to remove or damage the reputation of said "anything." Unrelated, those "Adamantite" ranked books are ****.

They tend to publish PbtA and FitD games, which are of course terrible because it's PbtA and FitD, they're destined to be terrible.

On one hand, it could be worth spreading the word of their nonsense. On the other hand, they're terrible and the less people speak their name, the better. And also they'll be dead and in the ground soon enough so no point and putting gasoline on that dumpster fire. Hope I read the title right and I didn't waste my time sperging.

[Acrux]

Counterpoint: FATE dice are cool.

(I don't say anything about the system itself.)

[DemoGraph]

Counterpoint: FATE dice are cool.

They're almost equal to 2d6-7.

[Barntar who Plows]

Average OSR experience. How any game should be run, at least the runs I'm involved in. I do not want a world that levels with me, I want a world that has existed long before I have.

Does anyone know what tabletop RPG the Daggerfall devs lifted its class/skill system from?
It's somewhat similar to GURPS Templates, but it appears templates didn't exist until a '97 publication.

I think it's close to Rolemaster, but perhaps there's something else I'm missing

Probably a mishmash of various TTRPGs but mostly inspired by D&D. That's what Arena was heavily influenced by if I recall correctly, so they just tweaked it to work better with their game but kept the foundation largely inspired by D&D. If I had to guess for specifics...GURPS like you mentioned (probably as late as 3rd edition) since I believe that was also a heavy inspiration to Arena's development (and thus Daggerfall, if less so), and perhaps Traveller (I think the GURPS edition of Traveller released afterwards though).

[Classix]

Brother and I picked up Catan 3D Edition today, last one left on the shelf over half off...

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Little brother takes game 1... 1-0. Mfer.

[Acrux]

Nice little video on what random encounters are using atomic theory as an analogy.

[Norfleet]

Random Anything is simply a "I can't be bothered to precisely model the exact inputs of this system because it would be too unwieldy, computationally intensive, or actors could not precisely control their inputs into the system anyway, so I will just treat it as a random factor". We do it in the real world, too: Dice are treated as random. They are not. Dice are physical objects and their behavior is determined by physics. If they were random, I wouldn't keep getting kicked out of casinos for doing that.

[Norfleet]

I always assumed that dwarves digging out all those precious metals and gems devalued them across the economy.

Nah, it's not dwarves that devalue the economy, because dwarves are greedy fuckers who never actually return those metals and gems to the economy, they just hoard them. Source: Am dwarf, digging a hole.

No, the reason the economy is devalued is because of murderhobo adventurers who slay dragons and then blow the loot on fancy magic items. It's not the dwarves, or the dragons, because those guys never actually recirculate their money.

[DemoGraph]

I always assumed that dwarves digging out all those precious metals and gems devalued them across the economy.

Nah, it's not dwarves that devalue the economy, because dwarves are greedy fuckers who never actually return those metals and gems to the economy, they just hoard them. Source: Am dwarf, digging a hole.

No, the reason the economy is devalued is because of murderhobo adventurers who slay dragons and then blow the loot on fancy magic items. It's not the dwarves, or the dragons, because those guys never actually recirculate their money.

This warrants an adventure idea.

Treasury initiates anti-inflation campaign seeking to purge major adventurer associations and breed dragons (with dwarves).

PCs are adventurers. Possible victory routes:
- STR: destroy Treasury, putting kingdom into anarchy. Nobody has time to worry about inflation while they're being raped by hordemen.
- DEX: steal enough precious metals from the largest merchants and magnates to decrease demand. Extra XP for recession-free soft-landing.
- CON: pile excess gold without spending it local markets, fund external ventures (+STR e.g. crusade).
- INT: switch to fiat money, (+WIS also create and ascend god of banking (aka GOB) (+CHA one of PCs becomes GOB).
- WIS: organize adventurer guild into capitalist cartel, supply enough luxury goods to balance price system.
- CHA+DEX: PC group becomes government employees, proceeds to slaughter other adventurer groups in a Highlander-like competition.

[Norfleet]

- INT: switch to fiat money, (+WIS also create and ascend god of banking (aka GOB) (+CHA one of PCs becomes GOB).
- WIS: organize adventurer guild into capitalist cartel, supply enough luxury goods to balance price system.

Int is coming up with this "Switch to fiat money" idea to contain inflation. Wis is knowing that doing this would make the situation rapidly worse.

[Rand]

Nah, it's not dwarves that devalue the economy, because dwarves are greedy fuckers who never actually return those metals and gems to the economy, they just hoard them. Source: Am dwarf, digging a hole.

Dwarves love ale and beer and steak. Not a lot of grain and cattle grown underground. Not to mention wood.
Clearly, they buy many materials and luxuries from the surface races, especially humans.
This would have a HUGE economic impact on nearby human places.

[Norfleet]

Dwarves love ale and beer and steak. Not a lot of grain and cattle grown underground.

Surely you know dwarves make their most of their alcohol from mushrooms and cave wheat. The bulk of meat eaten by dwarves is pork. Pigs, well, are not picky about being underground. Or much of anything else. They also make decent war animals. Cry havoc, and let slip the hogs of war!

Clearly, they buy many materials and luxuries from the surface races, especially humans.

Dwarves don't trade GOLD for those things. Humans are weird creatures who pay a premium for craftsdwarfship of less-than-the-highest-quality which proper dwarves never speak of, garbage that falls apart after only several decades of use, sold to them by less scrupulous dwarves.

One silly human recounted a tale of how his grandfather bought such a shoddy piece of work, he used it and passed it on to his father when he died, who passed it on to him, and it finally broke and HE WANTS TO BUY ANOTHER ONE. Can you imagine that?

[Vergil]

Apparently Legacy of Kain got a tabletop crowd funded recently.
https://www.backerkit.com/c/projects/lo ... yclopaedia

[Rand]

Surely you know dwarves make their most of their alcohol from mushrooms and cave wheat. The bulk of meat eaten by dwarves is pork

Keep saying nonsense like that and you're going to get a visit from some short guys with some hammers you won't soon forget.

[Norfleet]

Keep saying nonsense like that and you're going to get a visit from some short guys with some hammers you won't soon forget.

What nonsense? This is the lived experience of a dwarf. I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE.

[Rand]

I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE.

You're digging yourself a hole allright if you think a dwarf of any decency would drink fungus slop instead of a fine stout or ale!

[rusty_shackleford]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

proofs:
https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/ad ... ed=2882381

barely any video games, have to go to the second page to find shenmue 3
tainted grail actually did a kikestarter for their boardgame then used the funds to make a video game

I have no idea what's going on: money laundering? idiots? people who get off on the idea of playing a game they'll never play? Who knows.
remember, sales outside of kikestarter are incredibly low.

WotC not getting in on this makes it even more suspicious.

The top-selling weekly tabletop RPG on DriveThruRPG has less than 1000 total copies sold(gold tier, which means 500-999). It released December 24th, if you wanted an estimate of how few copies are actually sold. If we assume it sold exactly 999 copies, that means it didn't even make $10k in sales despite being the top-selling title for two weeks since its release, and presumably sales have already begun to drop significantly.
These games on kickstarter regularly hitting such high marks — again, we're talking MILLIONS for unfinished tabletop RPGs — has no real explanation I can find, these figures are not matched on any real storefront, it's well-known that the massive majority of the (quite small!) TTRPG market is captured by D&D.

It's really weird.

[Oyster Sauce]

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

proofs:
https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/ad ... ed=2882381

barely any video games, have to go to the second page to find shenmue 3
tainted grail actually did a kikestarter for their boardgame then used the funds to make a video game

I have no idea what's going on: money laundering? idiots? people who get off on the idea of playing a game they'll never play? Who knows.
remember, sales outside of kikestarter are incredibly low.

WotC not getting in on this makes it even more suspicious.

The top-selling weekly tabletop RPG on DriveThruRPG has less than 1000 total copies sold(gold tier, which means 500-999). It released December 24th, if you wanted an estimate of how few copies are actually sold. If we assume it sold exactly 999 copies, that means it didn't even make $10k in sales despite being the top-selling title for two weeks since its release, and presumably sales have already begun to drop significantly.
These games on kickstarter regularly hitting such high marks — again, we're talking MILLIONS for unfinished tabletop RPGs — has no real explanation I can find, these figures are not matched on any real storefront, it's well-known that the massive majority of the (quite small!) TTRPG market is captured by D&D.

It's really weird.

FOMO is no laughing matter

[PaxVenire]

Modern tabletop RPG art is disgusting

RQ2:


RQG:



Everything looks so gay and homogenized now, I can't take it anymore.

This new trend of orcs, elves, drow, and goblins just being humans with different skin is so lame

[Trickster]

Is this pure kino or absolute *********?

Also, a question for the Christians here: does "goat folk" and similar stuff actually make you "uncomfortable'?"

[Acrux]

Not as much as coomers do.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Don't like farm animals?

[Trickster]

Somehow, the 5th edition of Vampire: The Masquerade warns you that the game explores themes of "real-world horrors" à la sexism, racism, homophobia, right-wing politics, etc. But in the very same paragraph, it tries to shame you, as the GM, if you ACTUALLY DO explore these themes without using "safety tools" and without catering to snowflakes. You are literally called a monster for this; they ended the passage with "don't use the game to justify monstrous behavior." Because obviously, a story about immortal blood-sucking monsters must be full of moralizing, not an exploration of their motives, psychology, or actually immersing yourself in their role. Yes, we are supposed to portray characters we don't understand or even hate. We are supposed to be afraid of roleplaying a homophobic racist, and to be a convincing, competent character, not a caricature created for a woke lecture, otherwise the woke snowflake will be offended that a dark world... might actually turn out to be dark. Basically:

[DemoGraph]

We are supposed to be afraid of roleplaying a homophobic racist

I'm glad that we all wear those hats here.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Somehow, the 5th edition of Vampire: The Masquerade warns you that the game explores themes of "real-world horrors" à la sexism, racism, homophobia, right-wing politics, etc. But in the very same paragraph, it tries to shame you, as the GM, if you ACTUALLY DO explore these themes without using "safety tools" and without catering to snowflakes. You are literally called a monster for this; they ended the passage with "don't use the game to justify monstrous behavior." Because obviously, a story about immortal blood-sucking monsters must be full of moralizing, not an exploration of their motives, psychology, or actually immersing yourself in their role. Yes, we are supposed to portray characters we don't understand or even hate. We are supposed to be afraid of roleplaying a homophobic racist, and to be a convincing, competent character, not a caricature created for a woke lecture, otherwise the woke snowflake will be offended that a dark world... might actually turn out to be dark. Basically:

>Not playing V20

[asf]

vampires are gay

[WhiteShark]

Also, a question for the Christians here: does "goat folk" and similar stuff actually make you "uncomfortable'?"

No. Generally, whether an RPG becomes uncomfortable depends on what the GM chooses to depict at the table.

[DemoGraph]

We are supposed to be afraid of roleplaying a homophobic racist

I'm glad that we all wear those hats here.

@Kalarion how do you manage to be unable to watch youtube video? It's your national vid hoster?

Anyway, it's a clip from the Firefly.

Jayne: Pretty cunning, don'cha think?
Wash: A man walks down the street in that hat, people know he's not afraid of anything.
Jayne: **** straight!

[Stack of Turtles]

@Kalarion how do you manage to be unable to watch youtube video? It's your national vid hoster?

No, it's India's national vid hoster.