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Thread for the Trails games by Nihon Falcom. Trails in the Sky, Trails of Cold Steel, etc.

EDIT 4-17-2025: reuploaded the Zerofield and 4chan fan translations here if you are looking for them.



I am six chapters into Kuro no Kiseki (recently announced to be localized as Trails through Daybreak). Currently playing using Zerofield's/4chan's fan translation.

The Republic of Calvard feels unpleasant compared to the other countries. In the prior Trails games, you can talk to every NPC and there is a sense of community. The family unit was still intact. Across 10 games and 1,000+ hours, Ellie's family was the only one that was divorced. Gordon family in Trista was the only example of marital disharmony, and it never got real bad. You didn't see anyone struggling to afford things or pay the bills or worry about losing their house. The worst you saw was the occasional casino, but you didn't hear about people losing their entire life savings to gambling. The Trails world was idylic.

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Then you get to Kuro no Kiseki, and Calvard seems spiritually ruined. Lots of divorcees. Abusive alcoholic fathers and wives sick of their husband and fights breaking out within the home. Widespread drunkeness. Drunks puking on the street in Tyrell District. Men on the streets at night soliciting prostitution services. Strip clubs. Calvard has a big movie industry and apparently R-17 stuff is very popular. A police officer flips through girlfriends like the phone book. One night stands. We see people losing a considerable portion of their savings to gambling and lying to their wives about it. We see insane consumerism, with people taking out 10 or even 15 year loans to buy the latest cool car, people just having to buy the latest laptop, etc. We also see people having spent their whole lives as unhappy wage slaves, but having never managed to save up enough money to start their own business or build a big family. An unmarried middle-aged man is fired from his job and tries to commit suicide by jumping in front of a subway train. Also, you can't talk to all of the NPCs. You run past hundreds of nameless NPCs, so it feels there isn't a tight knit community.

And that's before getting to the widespread corruption, with foreign crime syndicates like Heiyue controlling the second largest city in Calvard and the government does nothing about it. The newspapers and governments tell straight up lies. We see some police officers so demoralized with the system that they resign to become bracers.

Kuro isn't aesthetically dreary. At a first glance it doesn't look like Shadowrun, for instance. But it doesn't feel like a place I want to spend 3 games and 300+ hours in unlike Liberl, Erebonia, or even Crossbell.


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Aesthetically, Calvard looks boring. So I haven't seen any native Calvardian architecture. All I see is either boring, brutalist modern architecture or Chinatowns. Also, the steampunk and cassette futurism tech aesthetics of prior games are gone. Instead you just have modern looking technology. Slim laptops, slidephone orbments with LED screens, modern looking trucks, etc. Apple stores instead of the old timey shops. Even that cool looking half-dome orbment machine of the last 10 games has been replaced by a boring ATM looking orbment machine. People wear modern clothing like hoodies. Also, the journey feel of prior games is gone. Rather than hiking through a vast wilderness to the next town, or riding an old steam train, or riding an airship, the heroes instead drive a modern looking truck along the freeway and get stuck in traffic jams (yes, that happens in chapter 2). It doesn't feel like a romantic, wide open fantasy world I want to explore like in the prior games. It just looks like the boring one I already live in, along with the same destitution of society.



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One thing that made me nervous early on was the introduction of mosques and the game claiming that they worshipped the same goddess as the Church. I was worried that it was going to be some "Aslan = Tash" nonsense, but later on it turns out to just be more of a foreign culture's artistic depiction of the same faith (like a Chinese Christian's depiction of Jesus. Later on, you can visit a Church dressed up as an asian-styled temple, with what appears to be a tabernacle styled as a Butudan). I think I just had a kneejerk reaction due to how often I hear "Abrahamic faiths all worship the same god!" crap. Not sure if these Japanese devs were aware of that. A sidequest later on has a villainous cult leader preaching salvation by works rather than faith, but none of the heroes called him out for his heresy when everyone in this setting went to Sunday school when they were a kid, so I'm not sure how much the devs understand Christianity. I do find it odd that we haven't we heard of "Alusha" before over the last 1,000+ hours of Trails? Literally never once mentioned, not by an NPC from a foreign country or as trivia in a book or by Father or a Sister.
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Thanks for the report. I have to say this game looks really unappealing compared to the warm and fun world in Trails in the Sky.
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I would not think too much about the religious aspect in trail, it's the church of adios is obviously inspired by Christianity, but the bishop and archbishop seems very laid about the doctrine. Legram, the hometown of Laura, was characterized as still being mostly pagan, and the nomad from the north plain revere the wind as an aspect of the goddess, which again, does not seems to bother anyone.
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Atlantico wrote: ↑ September 28th, 2023, 21:14
Thanks for the report. I have to say this game looks really unappealing compared to the warm and fun world in Trails in the Sky.
There is some fun to be had. I am currently in the second half of chapter 5, which is about a battle royale between 20 different factions of Bracers, Jaeger corps, ninja clans, Ouroboros, weapons manufacturers, crime syndicates, etc. It's cool. It's also set in Oracion, the only nice looking locale in the game so far. But plot wise, the 70 hours leading up to that were overall boring. There is a lot of comedy throughout the game, though. This might have the most gags packed in of any Trails game. Maybe Sky has a similar ratio but those were 50 hour long games.

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I would not think too much about the religious aspect in trail, it's the church of adios is obviously inspired by Christianity, but the bishop and archbishop seems very laid about the doctrine. Legram, the hometown of Laura, was characterized as still being mostly pagan, and the nomad from the north plain revere the wind as an aspect of the goddess, which again, does not seems to bother anyone.
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It's been six years since I last played CS1 so I might be misremembering, but my understanding is that the animist monument in Legram was a leftover and no one practiced animism in the modern day. As for Gaius, he namedropped "the Wind" a lot but never once over the course of 500+ hours of Cold Steel games did I ever see him talking about what the Wind as a religion means or practicing worship to it, so it came off as a cultural saying to me. The first time we see Gaius in CS1 is him kneeling in the Trista chapel praying to Aidios, before the commencement ceremony.


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Though Kuro has introduced a Middle-Eastern jaeger corps that seems to worship both "the Flame" and Aidios/Alusha, though in this case it seems like they actually do worship the Flame too.
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You should submit this for an official HQ review.
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I pretty much am caught up with much of the series now and i am pretty much burned out of it these days so i'll just pass on the games and focus on the other older falcom stuff instead.
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spookyheart wrote: ↑ April 15th, 2025, 23:20
I pretty much am caught up with much of the series now and i am pretty much burned out of it these days so i'll just pass on the games and focus on the other older falcom stuff instead.
Top five favorite characters and why?
Favorite location?
Top five favorite tracks?
Top three favorite games and why?
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ April 15th, 2025, 23:25
spookyheart wrote: ↑ April 15th, 2025, 23:20
I pretty much am caught up with much of the series now and i am pretty much burned out of it these days so i'll just pass on the games and focus on the other older falcom stuff instead.
Top five favorite characters and why?
Favorite location?
Top five favorite tracks?
Top three favorite games and why?
Just Laura Ellie and Sara
crossbell cause its my favorite
honestly all of the music
none in paricular
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I'm really praying they keep in the lines where Estelle is weirded out by Olivier's faggotry in Sky Remake. I know it's not going to happen, but I'll keep praying...

I'm trying to answer the above questions too but **** is it hard to narrow that stuff down for this series
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methoxetamine wrote: ↑ April 18th, 2025, 00:20
I'm really praying they keep in the lines where Estelle is weirded out by Olivier's faggotry in Sky Remake. I know it's not going to happen, but I'll keep praying...
Make your peace now.

I'm trying to answer the above questions too but **** is it hard to narrow that stuff down for this series
I recommend using this sorter, then describe why you like your favorite characters.

https://kiseki-sorter.netlify.app/

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The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.

Even more Japanese VAs have been recast. Cassius, Josette, Nial, Dorothy, etc. Olivier and Zin retain their original Japanese voice actors. Really makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes at Falcom, since recasting VAs while they are still alive and active in the industry is usually a no-no over there.
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Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes is the only one I've played. Extremely grindy, but the ******** English VA kind of made it worth it.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 18:49
The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.

Even more Japanese VAs have been recast. Cassius, Josette, Nial, Dorothy, etc. Olivier and Zin retain their original Japanese voice actors. Really makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes at Falcom, since recasting VAs while they are still alive and active in the industry is usually a no-no over there.
May Allah forgive me for uttering this, but I actually play Trails in dub (well, not counting the Evo voices in Sky and Crossbell, I guess)
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methoxetamine wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 19:13
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 18:49
The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.

Even more Japanese VAs have been recast. Cassius, Josette, Nial, Dorothy, etc. Olivier and Zin retain their original Japanese voice actors. Really makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes at Falcom, since recasting VAs while they are still alive and active in the industry is usually a no-no over there.
May Allah forgive me for uttering this, but I actually play Trails in dub (well, not counting the Evo voices in Sky and Crossbell, I guess)
I thought that the English dub for the first two Cold Steel games was above average and was worth listening to. Rean, Jusis, Millium, Laura, Crow, Towa, Angie, Rufus, and Osborne sounded really good in particular. When NISA took over with CS3, I started having problems, not just with the sudden cursing and dated slang, but also with the voice delivery for new characters and recasted old characters. I remember that by the time of Reverie, there were some pretty mediocre deliveries in there. I played Kuro 1 before the English localization was patched in, so the Japanese voices is how I am used to hearing those characters. I tried Kuro 2's English dub for a couple minutes but it sounded mediocre to me so I switched back.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 19:17
methoxetamine wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 19:13
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 18:49
The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.

Even more Japanese VAs have been recast. Cassius, Josette, Nial, Dorothy, etc. Olivier and Zin retain their original Japanese voice actors. Really makes you wonder what is going on behind the scenes at Falcom, since recasting VAs while they are still alive and active in the industry is usually a no-no over there.
May Allah forgive me for uttering this, but I actually play Trails in dub (well, not counting the Evo voices in Sky and Crossbell, I guess)
I thought that the English dub for the first two Cold Steel games was above average and was worth listening to. Rean, Jusis, Millium, Laura, Crow, Towa, Angie, Rufus, and Osborne sounded really good in particular. When NISA took over with CS3, I started having problems, not just with the sudden cursing and dated slang, but also with the voice delivery for new characters and recasted old characters. I remember that by the time of Reverie, there were some pretty mediocre deliveries in there. I played Kuro 1 before the English localization was patched in, so the Japanese voices is how I am used to hearing those characters. I tried Kuro 2's English dub for a couple minutes but it sounded mediocre to me so I switched back.
Oh yeah, I guess I actually play in both since I played Hajimari and Kuro MTL patches. I started Kuro 2 MTL patch but I couldn't get into it for some reason so I didn't play it fully until the official release. If I have the choice I play in English though, I replayed Reverie and Daybreak earlier this year in English. It's not the best dub ever but I honestly haven't really had any complaints, even with the Calvard arc. Van's voice is the same guy who voiced Laios in the Dungeon Meshi dub which makes me laugh

I kinda just prefer English for video game so I don't miss dialogue lines during certain gameplay parts. The exception being Yakuza, only the most recent handful of games are in English and every time I start a new one and it's in English by default I alt+f4 so ******* fast when I hear the first line
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A few months ago I got the urge to start over (I played Sky 1st back in the day) and then continue the series...only for Falcom to drop the remake reveal on the Nintendo Direct right after I had downloaded every single game in the series :?
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methoxetamine wrote: ↑ May 29th, 2025, 16:10
I rushed through Kai
Why didn't you tell us? What are your thoughts on it?
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 29th, 2025, 16:16
methoxetamine wrote: ↑ May 29th, 2025, 16:10
I rushed through Kai
Why didn't you tell us? What are your thoughts on it?
I thought I mentioned it before, I liked it a lot though. The story was much improved from Daybreak 2 (not that that's saying much), and I thought it struck a good balance with having Rean and Kevin playable but still giving Van most of the game, while also keeping all of the routes interesting. I especially love Kevin so it was great to finally see and play as him again. I can't really comment on the combat or the Grim Garten since I played on easy and the Grim Garten was particularly easy to speed through each mandatory segment in just a few minutes if you felt like it.

The reason I rushed is because I do a full proper playthrough on Nightmare and go for the achievements when the official English version comes, if I did the side content and played on Nightmare I'd probably put off replaying the game for years. Now I'm excited for the release so I can take my time with the game and don't have to worry about being spoiled, which with how the game ends is likely going to be very difficult to avoid
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NISA's localization and PC port of Kai no Kiseki/Trails Beyond the Horizon has been delayed to 2026. Darn. I shouldn't have refunded the CLE port of Kai then. Should have played it with the fan translation patch as it was. Oh well. At least the Sky remake is soon.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ June 18th, 2025, 00:03
NISA's localization and PC port of Kai no Kiseki/Trails Beyond the Horizon has been delayed to 2026. Darn. I shouldn't have refunded the CLE port of Kai then. Should have played it with the fan translation patch as it was. Oh well. At least the Sky remake is soon.
What the **** man. I'm going to go ahead and blame tendies for this. **** I'm excited for my Nightmare re-play :(
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@methoxetamine if you participate in one of the monthly adventurer's guild things, you would be able to vote/nominate for one. I have done two and IIRC I haven't nominated any yet. We could coordinate and try to push Trails in the Sky for October. Get the series more exposure here. We could let people decide whether or not they want to play original or remake, whichever appeals to them the most.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 21st, 2025, 16:03
@methoxetamine if you participate in one of the monthly adventurer's guild things, you would be able to vote/nominate for one. I have done two and IIRC I haven't nominated any yet. We could coordinate and try to push Trails in the Sky for October. Get the series more exposure here. We could let people decide whether or not they want to play original or remake, whichever appeals to them the most.
That's a good idea actually, I'd love to make people take the Trails pill against their will
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 21st, 2025, 16:03
@methoxetamine if you participate in one of the monthly adventurer's guild things, you would be able to vote/nominate for one. I have done two and IIRC I haven't nominated any yet. We could coordinate and try to push Trails in the Sky for October. Get the series more exposure here. We could let people decide whether or not they want to play original or remake, whichever appeals to them the most.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 21st, 2025, 16:03
@methoxetamine if you participate in one of the monthly adventurer's guild things, you would be able to vote/nominate for one. I have done two and IIRC I haven't nominated any yet. We could coordinate and try to push Trails in the Sky for October. Get the series more exposure here. We could let people decide whether or not they want to play original or remake, whichever appeals to them the most.
Did you play any of the demo? I played about an hour and maybe I'm just a simp but it seems ******* incredible. I'm probably going to hold out on playing any more until the game actually gets here so I can play it all at once, but the demo has sent my hype into orbit
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methoxetamine wrote: ↑ August 23rd, 2025, 14:18
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 21st, 2025, 16:03
@methoxetamine if you participate in one of the monthly adventurer's guild things, you would be able to vote/nominate for one. I have done two and IIRC I haven't nominated any yet. We could coordinate and try to push Trails in the Sky for October. Get the series more exposure here. We could let people decide whether or not they want to play original or remake, whichever appeals to them the most.
Did you play any of the demo? I played about an hour and maybe I'm just a simp but it seems ******* incredible. I'm probably going to hold out on playing any more until the game actually gets here so I can play it all at once, but the demo has sent my hype into orbit
No, haven't played the demo yet. I usually wait for a game to release so I can sit down and do the whole thing at once. Not a fan of playing a game in sections with weeks in between. It's a Falcom game. It's Trails in the Sky with Kuro combat. It's gonna have good soundtrack. It's gonna be good. I'll be buying it day 1.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 18:49
The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.
Why?
What was wrong with the original?
Not enough browns and ****?
You may as well not bother replying to my posts if it's to argue anything except concrete facts or your personal opinion. I still probably won't see it.
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Rand wrote: ↑ August 23rd, 2025, 16:53
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ May 7th, 2025, 18:49
The upcoming remake of Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter is launching September 19th.
Why?
What was wrong with the original?
Not enough browns and ****?
1. It's the first chapter in a now 13 game long serialized storyline, but it has been unavailable on recent consoles which is where most JRPG players are at (Playstation until the mid 2010s, now Nintendo Switch). So only PC players had access to it which cut the customer pool. This game will be available on Switch.

2. By now the majority of the series is in 3D. Looking down at pixelated sprites and grass and dirt from an isometric perspective is not as appealing. People don't want to slog through hundreds of hours of homework to get to the game that caught their eye and appealed to them in the first place. People often skipped to the Cold Steel games (and now, the Kuro/Daybreak games) because of Sky's lack of visual appeal. Only downside is that instead of going with the usual Trails aesthetic that has been iterated upon for 13 games culminating in the Kuro series, they are going with this cartoony Genshin look.

3. Sky was the first game and has far and away the least engaging gameplay and combat of the series, and is boring to play compared to several other renowned JRPG series. It is infamous for how ineffective character's individual, unique crafts (abilities/skills) are (tldr they cost an absurd amount of CP for not that much damage, and the effects are rarely useful). It is far more effective to just turn everyone into a mage which is jareing if they are supposed to be skilled swordsmen or martial artists. And spells are universal, not unique to characters, and the animations have nowhere near as much effort poured into them as character's unique craft animations. So it becomes boring watching four people cast the same aero/white gehenna/death scream spell over and over. The remake's combat is a clone of the latest Kuro/Daybreak arc, where you have fancier presentation of the battles, can move AND use an ability on your turn, crafts are MUCH better in terms of cost effectiveness (also CP generation is higher) so you actually get to see your heroes do their cool stuff, etc.

4. The plot is infamous for how boring the first 20+ hours are. There is no real tension or urgency until when the men in black show up in Zeiss. Before that, you are meandering around in a very low energy story with only the promise by hardcore fans that "it will get good, trust me". When people could just download Suikoden or Final Fantasy off of the internet archive and get a gripping experience from minute 1. Unfortunately it does not seem like they are altering the story, and now it is doubling in length. The original game taked about 50 hourd to finish, whereas in a recent interview with Kondo (series creator, head writer/creative for Trails since the beginning along with lead writer Hisayoshi Takeiri, president of Falcom), he said it took a dev 80 hours to beat the remake. So hopefully they found a way to make it more engaging on a moment to moment basis.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: ↑ August 23rd, 2025, 17:47
Unfortunately it does not seem like they are altering the story, and now it is doubling in length. The original game taked about 50 hourd to finish, whereas in a recent interview with Kondo (series creator, head writer/creative for Trails since the beginning along with lead writer Hisayoshi Takeiri, president of Falcom), he said it took a dev 80 hours to beat the remake.
I'm taking that report with an extreme grain of salt. Playtime in this series varies so much, hell some people play without using or minimally using the turbo function. Then add in difficulties, varying reading speeds since it's such a dialogue heavy game, and the fact you can spend as much or as little time on stuff like cooking, books, npc conversations, side quests, etc as you want. I've heard of the original taking people anywhere from like 35 hours for people who only care about the story, and over 100 hours for the autismos who have to speak to every single npc between every story beat
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I could never understand the appeal of this series. I played Trails of Cold Steel and literally nothing happened for something like 60 or 70 hours, then a plot twist and decently executed final 5 hours or so. The combat is dead average. The party building/skills/systems etc. are dead average. The environments and exploration are dead average. There is nothing distinguishable about the graphics or music. Trails of Cold Steel 2 was a little better but I got sick of it when the exploration opened up and the story came to a halt. It seems like the sole appeal of it is the sheer ... volume... like how a new Madden game comes out every year? They're basically what Wild Arms or Breath of Fire would be if the devs didn't know how to properly pace a story and just kept making more, and more, and more average-ish games with no conclusion.
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