MUDs & Early MMOs were special

[rusty_shackleford]

I was watching this video inbetween doing something:


I watched his first video a while back, and it appears to have revived some Asian(edit: Korean ) MMO(surprisingly, one I never heard of.)

When he was going over features that are relevant in the game again, he gets to a point where he discusses colleges. A completely player-ran event that has special tools from the game to be able to give lessons.



MUDs & early MMOs used to have a lot of cool, weird systems you wouldn't see today. Arguably we're past the era of WoW clones into … nothing …
But it's strange that tabletop RPGs are supposedly so popular, yet we rarely see things that might actually happen at a tabletop put into video game RPGs. Is it the critical role effect where most people aren't actually playing RPGs but having amateur group acting lessons?

Wanted to share this thought that popped into my head before I forgot.

[rusty_shackleford]

Guess I glossed over the focus on min-max autism optimization stuff, optimizing the fun out of games, etc.,

[rusty_shackleford]

triple post but I always preferred the term "graphical MUD" and we should go back to it

[SpellSword]

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[GhostCow]

triple post but I always preferred the term "graphical MUD" and we should go back to it

I think only EQ really deserves that title. Maybe some other games from before it too.

[WhiteShark]

But it's strange that tabletop RPGs are supposedly so popular, yet we rarely see things that might actually happen at a tabletop put into video game RPGs. Is it the critical role effect where most people aren't actually playing RPGs but having amateur group acting lessons?

Probably. The amount of fundamental misunderstandings I see about RPGs online and even in texts ostensibly meant to assist in running RPGs is astounding. We don't just live in a post-Dragonlance world; we live in a world where someone's first exposure to "RPGs" will be modern video games. People running tabletop RPGs today are likely to treat them as though they were video games. Heck, I've seen players who claim to know what RPGs are supposed to be about saying that they prefer the linear, plotted experience. People like that aren't going to implement organic, player-centric systems in MMOs because they don't even experience them in tabletop.

I was watching this video inbetween doing something:

I just happened on the original video of his 30 day romp last night. It was heartwarming. I liked the part where he was duo-dungeon crawling with a guy who was explaining to him how time isn't real and it's not really 2025. Original for anyone who cares:

[Jordy]

I just happened on the original video of his 30 day romp last night. It was heartwarming. I liked the part where he was duo-dungeon crawling with a guy who was explaining to him how time isn't real and it's not really 2025. Original for anyone who cares:

Been popping up for me for a while now but I never click on it.

[rusty_shackleford]

Been popping up for me for a while now but I never click on it.

I have to wonder what the reason that this video got promoted so hard by the algorithm is. He had basically nothing else on his account prior to it

[Jordy]

Been popping up for me for a while now but I never click on it.

I have to wonder what the reason that this video got promoted so hard by the algorithm is. He had basically nothing else on his account prior to it

YouTube algorithm can be manipulated I guess. I watch ten documentaries on ocean life and YouTube won't recommend a single one. I watch zero videos about lonely people in a dead MMO and YouTube pushes this video for over a month (guesstimation).

[rusty_shackleford]

Been popping up for me for a while now but I never click on it.

I have to wonder what the reason that this video got promoted so hard by the algorithm is. He had basically nothing else on his account prior to it

YouTube algorithm can be manipulated I guess. I watch ten documentaries on ocean life and YouTube won't recommend a single one. I watch zero videos about lonely people in a dead MMO and YouTube pushes this video for over a month (guesstimation).

I'm not going to immediately assume malevolence, especially considering his other videos didn't take off in a similar way. I think he might have just had the right content that happened to make the algorithm recommend his video for some reason.

yewtoob algorithm is basically a blackbox because it was definitely too good at recommending stuff at one point and they nerfed the **** out of it

[WhiteShark]

it was definitely too good at recommending stuff at one point and they nerfed the **** out of it

...Why?

[rusty_shackleford]

it was definitely too good at recommending stuff at one point and they nerfed the **** out of it

...Why?

what do you think people got recommended after watching their fifth BEN SHAPIRO OWNS LIBTARD EPIC STYLE

[WhiteShark]

it was definitely too good at recommending stuff at one point and they nerfed the **** out of it

...Why?

what do you think people got recommended after watching their fifth BEN SHAPIRO OWNS LIBTARD EPIC STYLE

Couldn't they nerf just those recommendations without affecting everything else? or is this a situation like the one with LLMs in which restraints make the whole thing worse inevitably?

[rusty_shackleford]

...Why?

what do you think people got recommended after watching their fifth BEN SHAPIRO OWNS LIBTARD EPIC STYLE

Couldn't they nerf just those recommendations without affecting everything else? or is this a situation like the one with LLMs in which restraints make the whole thing worse inevitably?

IDK, you'd have to go ask a jewtoob engineer but none of them even understand how that **** works at this point

[SpellSword]

I have to wonder what the reason that this video got promoted so hard by the algorithm is. He had basically nothing else on his account prior to it

YouTube algorithm can be manipulated I guess. I watch ten documentaries on ocean life and YouTube won't recommend a single one. I watch zero videos about lonely people in a dead MMO and YouTube pushes this video for over a month (guesstimation).

I'm not going to immediately assume malevolence, especially considering his other videos didn't take off in a similar way. I think he might have just had the right content that happened to make the algorithm recommend his video for some reason.

yewtoob algorithm is basically a blackbox because it was definitely too good at recommending stuff at one point and they nerfed the **** out of it

► I offer a simple explanation:

[Tweed]

I was watching this video inbetween doing something:


I watched his first video a while back, and it appears to have revived some Asian(edit: Korean ) MMO(surprisingly, one I never heard of.)

When he was going over features that are relevant in the game again, he gets to a point where he discusses colleges. A completely player-ran event that has special tools from the game to be able to give lessons.



MUDs & early MMOs used to have a lot of cool, weird systems you wouldn't see today. Arguably we're past the era of WoW clones into … nothing …
But it's strange that tabletop RPGs are supposedly so popular, yet we rarely see things that might actually happen at a tabletop put into video game RPGs. Is it the critical role effect where most people aren't actually playing RPGs but having amateur group acting lessons?

Wanted to share this thought that popped into my head before I forgot.

Not click on that ****, but this is Dark Ages innit? As I recall you could gain the first few levels yourself then you had to find a player to teach you in your respective class.

[Tweed]

Originally in UO you could gain skill by standing next to other people practicing whatever it was they were doing. Nice idea on paper, but terrible before the age of skill locks.

[Norfleet]

Not click on that ****, but this is Dark Ages innit? As I recall you could gain the first few levels yourself then you had to find a player to teach you in your respective class.

So how did player 0 manage it? At some point there had to be a guy who was first.

[Stack of Turtles]

Just got reminded that people still take A Rape in Cyberspace seriously

for those unaware, A Rape in Cyberspace is a story about how a random troll did the equivalent of typing "/me has sex with [female user]" in a text chatroom and then the women decided that this counts as rape and debated how to punish the "rapist" for the next, well, 30+ years

[Norfleet]

Just got reminded that people still take A Rape in Cyberspace seriously

for those unaware, A Rape in Cyberspace is a story about how a random troll did the equivalent of typing "/me has sex with [female user]" in a text chatroom and then the women decided that this counts as rape and debated how to punish the "rapist" for the next, well, 30+ years

I think at this point it's closer to 40 years, and this was back when women didn't exist, so it was a ***** on top.

[rusty_shackleford]

Originally in UO you could gain skill by standing next to other people practicing whatever it was they were doing. Nice idea on paper, but terrible before the age of skill locks.

when are we gonna play UO?

[Tweed]

Originally in UO you could gain skill by standing next to other people practicing whatever it was they were doing. Nice idea on paper, but terrible before the age of skill locks.

when are we gonna play UO?

Beats me.

[Xenich]

Lets run a UO server for RPGHQ. Could be fun!

[Tweed]

Lets run a UO server for RPGHQ. Could be fun!

Someone with more brains than me and a big, meaty server would have to do that. Otherwise there's a smattering of shards though most of them have the same problem most EQ shards do where it's a ******** powertrip and not in the fun, Homo's Journey kind of way.

Otherwise, you gotta cough up munny for the live servers and I got exactly zero clue what that's like now. I came back and played for a bit when they did that weird elf expansion and the jap stuff, but it's all murky now.

[Xenich]

Lets run a UO server for RPGHQ. Could be fun!

Someone with more brains than me and a big, meaty server would have to do that. Otherwise there's a smattering of shards though most of them have the same problem most EQ shards do where it's a ******** powertrip and not in the fun, Homo's Journey kind of way.

Otherwise, you gotta cough up munny for the live servers and I got exactly zero clue what that's like now. I came back and played for a bit when they did that weird elf expansion and the jap stuff, but it's all murky now.

Not sure why it would need powerful hardware, I ran one many years ago and it wasn't a big issue to setup. I mean, this game is late 90's tech, shouldn't be an issue on that front.

Hmm... wow... looks like they have really refined the server for this and it looks like doing complete custom work on it is pretty simple from what I have seen.

https://www.servuo.com/


Here is a video on features and installing it if anyone is interested in playing around with it.

[Tweed]

So, when are we making HQUO? Or would it be UOHQ?

[Tweed]

How bout H_QO?

[Xenich]

Would be a nice playground to toy with various RPG rule systems.