Starfield vs Baldur's Gate 3

[rusty_shackleford]

Starfield pozz is insidious in how deep it runs through the game. BG3 gets kinda close only towards the very end in the city.

[Shillitron]

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[maidenhaver]

Starfield is actually TES6 Hammerfell.

[maidenhaver]

This man looks like Todd Howard and even sells trash:

[Lich]

He doesn't look anything like Todd.

[Vergil]

BG3 benefits heavily from the amount of player freedom compared to Starfield. Both are filled with fagshit but I can kill pretty much anybody in BG3 and there's the ability to bypass or ignore it.
If Bethesda made BG3 everyone would be an ugly mutt flagged essential.

[Rand]

You should've killed that follower.

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He can revive dead companions/respec them for some gold, too useful to get rid of.

They made Jergal, the god of death do that?
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I have no words.

[Rand]

All the bad reviews came from UK, because the entitled twats didn't get keys, but there's no way its better than a 7/10.

Them stiffing the UK guys is the reason why I was shown how to get it for free.
(Which is exactly what it's worth, tbh)

Haven't paid for a Bethesda game since Morrowind.
I feel no ethical quandry.

[maidenhaver]

I don't blame you, they are the same game, over and over.

[Vergil]

Basedthesda screwing over the anglos... I KNEEL

[Slavic Sorcerer]

******* do seem to be the target audience

Are we tho?
The companions are just a bunch of characters that can romance with anyone.
Not the first time Larian did that. Divinity's Original Sin II is very similar in that regard, and I don't recall any uproar about it.

Maybe Larian is just a studio for ******* like myself, or just take bunch of romance-with-any characters from BioWare and multiply it by 6.

It's nice to romance any character without mods tho, so I don't mind. Game's good even without it.
Possibility of romancing anyone is just a bunch of cherries on top of the already delicious cake

What character did you romance?

Depends on the character I'm playing. At the moment I have 5 different characters, thinking about 2 more (including Dark Urge murder hobo run).

Most of them romance Halsin - he is the only big manly dude among male romance options, and he is my type.
If he had a beard, was a bit more hairy and a little bit paler, he would be nearly perfect.

My Light Cleric of Mystra romances Gale. He's not exactly my type; skin is a little to dark, but I enjoy his voice actor, and the fact Gale says my Cleric is better in bed than a literal goddess.
He can be quite the pain in the ***. If your approval is high enough for romance, but choose anybody else, he becomes salty as **** for a moment - even tho he never initiated romance prior (like I ignored his romance trigger scenes). Same goes if you even dare to suggest inviting one more to share the love.

I explored Astarion's romance on my first PotB-Warlock/Fighter. I get why Astarion is annoying, but his reaction is heartwarming whenever you friendzone him or when you break up with him. Very mature

As for Karlach, Shadowheart, Lazzy, Minthara, and other romancable ladies - nope.
I dont even want them in my party (they are either dead like Shadowheart for the artefact and Karlach for outfit, or ignored like
Lazzy).
I know, and I believe when somebody says it, that they are more or less well written, and their stories are interesting. It's Larian studios after all.
But I am who I am, so not an option.

[Emphyrio]

would somebody who hated kangmaker like baldurgay?

[Vergil]

Are we tho?
The companions are just a bunch of characters that can romance with anyone.
Not the first time Larian did that. Divinity's Original Sin II is very similar in that regard, and I don't recall any uproar about it.

Maybe Larian is just a studio for ******* like myself, or just take bunch of romance-with-any characters from BioWare and multiply it by 6.

It's nice to romance any character without mods tho, so I don't mind. Game's good even without it.
Possibility of romancing anyone is just a bunch of cherries on top of the already delicious cake

What character did you romance?

Most of them romance Halsin - he is the only big manly dude among male romance options, and he is my type.
If he had a beard, was a bit more hairy and a little bit paler, he would be nearly perfect.

It's over

[Acrux]

Basedthesda screwing over the anglos... I KNEEL

You know - and please don't take this the wrong way - but more and more I begin to suspect this is a rusty alt.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

would somebody who hated kangmaker like baldurgay?

If Kingmaker is as complicated as WoTR (played WoTR, didnt play Kingmaker) - I think you would like Baldur Gay

BG3 is much easier to get a hold on to for casual/busy-with-life player (especially if you know basics of DnD), and more immersive IMO

Oh and Olwcat Games recently tried to force players to install spyware.

Idk if it affected Kingmaker but it affected WoTR.
They rolled it back after being whipped with backlash like they were slacking on picking cotton, but I'm not gonna get any games from Owlcat in the nearest future - no matter what it would be

[aweigh]

would somebody who hated kangmaker like baldurgay?

Personally speaking I think Larian is much more talented than Owlqueer in all aspects, from writing to game design. Technically speaking both games are in the same "genre", but I don't think they're that comparable. Anyway, I feel the D:OS games and now BG3 are much, much, MUCH better than the Pathfinder games. More sovl... XD

[rusty_shackleford]

nostalgia-bait inspired IE garbage games aren't even close to what BG3 accomplished in terms of actually being a ******* game instead of being a walking simulator with trash mobs

anytime you see something like a button prompt in those games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. You don't just click context sensitive buttons that do whatever the designer wants(reminding you of perhaps, QTEs?), you're expected to figure it out yourself and use your character to get through it.

anytime you see one of those visual novel parts in those nostalgia bait games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. I picked this one specifically because BG3's first act has a direct parallel, btw.

BG3 is, unlike those games, a full RPG. Those nostalgia-bait games are RPG hybrids with visual novel / modern adventure game elements because it would have been too difficult to actually make a real RPG now that the technical limitations were taken away.

The next closest RPGs to this sort of design philosophy are the old Fallout games(and some of the fan total conversions for FO2), and ATOM RPG/Trudograd.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

would somebody who hated kangmaker like baldurgay?

Personally speaking I think Larian is much more talented than Owlqueer in all aspects, from writing to game design. Technically speaking both games are in the same "genre", but I don't think they're that comparable. Anyway, I feel the D:OS games and now BG3 are much, much, MUCH better than the Pathfinder games. More sovl... XD

Divinity's Original Sin 2 is one of my fav games from Larian. Countless hours, tons of fun, several playthroughs, always a pleasure.
When I learned they are making BG3 couple of years back, I was overjoyed. And they did not disappoint.

I like Larian's writing. It's much more immersive, and all characters are interesting to interact with.

Owlqueer is...yeah. They could do better. They also could not try to install a spyware, then roll everything back due to backlash.

I liked how vast in choices build-wise WoTR was (once I grasped everything) but it's difficult to find even basic info at times.
Also the optimization of WoTR was atrocious at times.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

nostalgia-bait inspired IE garbage games aren't even close to what BG3 accomplished in terms of actually being a ******* game instead of being a walking simulator with trash mobs

anytime you see something like a button prompt in those games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. You don't just click context sensitive buttons that do whatever the designer wants(reminding you of perhaps, QTEs?), you're expected to figure it out yourself and use your character to get through it.

anytime you see one of those visual novel parts in those nostalgia bait games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. I picked this one specifically because BG3's first act has a direct parallel, btw.

BG3 is, unlike those games, a full RPG. Those nostalgia-bait games are RPG hybrids with visual novel / modern adventure game elements because it would have been too difficult to actually make a real RPG now that the technical limitations were taken away.

The next closest RPGs to this sort of design philosophy are the old Fallout games(and some of the fan total conversions for FO2), and ATOM RPG/Trudograd.

I already forgot how garbage it looks.
I'm gonna give credit when credit is due tho - some of spell effects are gorgeous. Especially those coming from Angel and Aeon Mythic Paths...
...but they are also lazy. Azata's Mythic spells 65% of the time either didn't have any effects or reused from other spells

Maybe that's how I survived 250h

[aweigh]

Those nostalgia-bait games are RPG hybrids with visual novel / modern adventure game elements because it would have been too difficult to actually make a real RPG now that the technical limitations were taken away.

Back in the day I remember seeing Planescape referred to as an "adventure-game hybrid" in some old gaming magazine. Except the difference in quality between Planescape and modern "CRPGs" is night and day. I remember being mystified at seeing Codexers squeal like girls when Obsidian talked about the little interactive text prompt "mini-adventures"... like wtf who gives a ****, but apparently to some people this addition meant it was a REAL RPG now?

Larian's dice roll thing is way better.

[Emphyrio]

Anybody have an opinion on BG3's coop? DOS1's was really good but DOS2's was disappointing.

[Vergil]

Anybody have an opinion on BG3's coop? DOS1's was really good but DOS2's was disappointing.

I've recently started a coop campaign with a full group of friends. It's pretty fun but can feel a little awkward at times since if one person starts a conversation nobody else gets to really give any input on the situation and just has to (optionally) watch.

[wndrbr]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/console-a ... hly-charts

EA Sports FC 24 sold best in the UK, and was No.1 in all major European markets. The second biggest game of the month was also a new IP in the form of Xbox's Starfield.

Todd's masterpiece couldn't even beat another annual re-release of EA's football simulator.

[Tweed]

nostalgia-bait inspired IE garbage games aren't even close to what BG3 accomplished in terms of actually being a ******* game instead of being a walking simulator with trash mobs

anytime you see something like a button prompt in those games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. You don't just click context sensitive buttons that do whatever the designer wants(reminding you of perhaps, QTEs?), you're expected to figure it out yourself and use your character to get through it.

anytime you see one of those visual novel parts in those nostalgia bait games like this:

It's something you'd actually do in BG3. I picked this one specifically because BG3's first act has a direct parallel, btw.

BG3 is, unlike those games, a full RPG. Those nostalgia-bait games are RPG hybrids with visual novel / modern adventure game elements because it would have been too difficult to actually make a real RPG now that the technical limitations were taken away.

The next closest RPGs to this sort of design philosophy are the old Fallout games(and some of the fan total conversions for FO2), and ATOM RPG/Trudograd.

******* a bear is something you actually do in Baldur's Gate 3.

[Shillitron]

Starfield vs Baldur's Gate 3

[Ticarsem]

BG3 has more initial replay value but will be harder (not impossible) to mod in the long run so I think it's a toss up, at least on PC. Starfield doesn't seem to be a massive, Bethesda tier success so far. They lost a ton of goodwill even with normies because of FO76.

[rusty_shackleford]

starfield is way worse than fo76

[wndrbr]

I'd play an offline version of FO76 tbh.

From those couple of hours that I've experienced during the free weekends, it seemed much better than the woke snoozefest that is starfield.

[Shillitron]

BG3 has more initial replay value but will be harder (not impossible) to mod in the long run so I think it's a toss up, at least on PC. Starfield doesn't seem to be a massive, Bethesda tier success so far. They lost a ton of goodwill even with normies because of FO76.

That's the concern.. Shartfield is such a disaster that modding never picks up.
At this point it's a toss up.

[wndrbr]

I wonder if Starfield have cleared 5M copies by now?
Would be funny if even TOW will manage to mog Todd.