Was banning GDKP good or bad?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If you back to ye old days, one of the core reasons why you needed to be in a guild once you hit level cap was due to raid loot distribution. You hit level 60 and the way to continue becoming more powerful is to start joining raids. Except there are more raiders in the group who each have 16 equipment slots to fill. But a weekly run is going to get you about 16 drops. So if you only did that one raid over and over, it would take something like 40 weeks to gear most of the 40 man team (yes this is a gross oversimplification due to redundant or useless drops happening when you don't have anyone who can use it, you need way more than 40 people because people are still stuck in traffic by raid time or are working overtime or are on vacation or overslept, etc). So you need to join the guild and stick it out to eventually get geared and continue ascending. Typically the guild leader and/or class leaders will distribute the drops.

On the Classic WoW servers, an unusual modern PuG culture migrated there from retail MMOs where rather than people creating/joining guilds and playing with their friends each week, a lot of people were instead pugging and instead using gold to bid on the drops, with the highest bidder winning and the gold being divided amongst the rest of the PuG. This then led to a phenomena phenomenon of raiders who were in guilds preferring to skip out on their guild's raid night and instead join a GDKP PuG where they can just directly buy the items they want, or not buy anything and get a lot of gold. In other words, it is like personal loot on Retail but with even greater precision. You are now at the point where you don't actually need to be in an officially ingame branded guild anymore.

When the anniversary classic servers were announced, Blizzard declared that they were going to ban GDKP runs, which caused a large amount of backlash and an apparent playerbase drop over the course of a couple weeks. These GDKP PuGers were sometimes apart of a community of regulars (ie people who do GDKP runs), so it was kinda like a guild where you had the same people joining the same GDKP PuGs together. In that light, it's not so different than a traditional guild's internal DKP system. So people are still effectively in "guilds" or communities. So now what you are really looking is that people are choosing to join what is actually more like competitive raider guilds because the people there are better and the system is more rewarding (and the raid starts on time - no waiting half an hour hoping for a guy to get home or someone to wake up. You just grab another applicant and go), in which case perhaps they shouldn't have joined a traditional guild in the first place if that was going to be so "casual" for them that they'd prefer to instead go do GDKP runs.

So was banning GDKP not actually banning pugs but instead banning the most efficient type of competitive raider guild? If people want the most efficiency and are willing to forgo casual guilds to join the most optimal guilds, then is that necessarily a bad thing? Or is it the weekly loot lockout restriction, or low number of drops, etc, that is at blame here?

[rusty_shackleford]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

[justsomeguydotexe]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

[Oyster Sauce]

GDKP is the best loot system for PUGs. Even better if you put a modicum of effort into banning gold sellers/buyers.

[rusty_shackleford]

GDKP is the best loot system for PUGs

just make PUGs against the rules too
why would you play a game with random people you don't know?

[Stack of Turtles]

What does the GDPR have to do with pugs anyway? Dogs don't use computers, libtard.

[Tinky Winky]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

[justsomeguydotexe]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

Are you saying the non-whites are richer bro? that's not very white supremacist of you

[Tinky Winky]

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

Are you saying the non-whites are richer bro? that's not very white supremacist of you

Not WOW but I've seen ******/koreans/sand ******* who pay literally millions to the sloppest **** likes this (likely to be the son of corrupted officals/oil barons). Such a thing doesn't seem to be happening for whites as far as I can recall.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

Are you saying the non-whites are richer bro? that's not very white supremacist of you

Not WOW but I've seen ******/koreans/sand ******* who pay literally millions to the sloppest **** likes this (likely to be the son of corrupted officals/oil barons). Such a thing doesn't seem to be happening for whites as far as I can recall.

$48,000 Star Citizen spaceships baby

[Norfleet]

I don't even know what the **** a "GDKP" is, so I assume this is some kind of faggotry.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

I thought it was the ****** that FARMED the gold, you know, the CHINESE GOLD FARMERS, while spoiled lazy rich westerners were the ones to BUY the gold.

[TKVNC]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

It's poor people who are buying. It's not normal or even rich people.

99% of people who pay real world money for online power are disability benefit claimants. Or people on food stamps.

(Just made it clearer tbh)

[Norfleet]

It's poor people who are buying. It's not normal or even rich people.

99% of people who pay real world money for online power are disability benefit claimants. Or people on food stamps.

I am skeptical. None of the pay-to-win wallet whales I've ever known could be characterized as poor. Unemployed poors on welfare have too much time on their hands to need to pay, and don't have NEARLY the kind of money needed to be a wallet warrior. I've known guys who blow thousands of bucks a week and get limited and have to bug tech support to unlock them so they can wallet warrior harder. No way some poorfuck can afford that, these people are blowing 6 figures on that ****.

[TKVNC]

It's poor people who are buying. It's not normal or even rich people.

99% of people who pay real world money for online power are disability benefit claimants. Or people on food stamps.

I am skeptical. None of the pay-to-win wallet whales I've ever known could be characterized as poor. Unemployed poors on welfare have too much time on their hands to need to pay, and don't have NEARLY the kind of money needed to be a wallet warrior. I've known guys who blow thousands of bucks a week and get limited and have to bug tech support to unlock them so they can wallet warrior harder. No way some poorfuck can afford that, these people are blowing 6 figures on that ****.

It's people with no concept of money. Because the Government gives it to them for free. Also, I think you massively underestimate how much money disability claimants get.

[Norfleet]

It's people with no concept of money. Because the Government gives it to them for free. Also, I think you massively underestimate how much money disability claimants get.

It sure as hell isn't something that lets them blow 6 figures. I think it's you that misunderestimates just how much a pay-to-win whale actually spends. I know: I've fought both against them and alongside them. In fact, once it was the same guy, since we teamed up after I was able to battle him to a standstill with my equally extreme non-paying methods, resulting in absolute devastation to the rest of the game when I was now able to focus the power of functionally unlimited resources with my usual obsession with minmax efficiency, like using the Death Star to 360-noscope somebody.

[Xenich]

My experience with DKP was points earned through attendance of the raids. This way the people who had the currency to actually bid on items were the people showing up to the raids, which geared the raid and allowed it to progress over time.

We used it because people got tired of the fly by night people who were completely unreliable.

As rusty said, anything that reduces the pay to win crap in a game is good thing IMO.

[Oyster Sauce]

My experience with DKP was points earned through attendance of the raids. This way the people who had the currency to actually bid on items were the people showing up to the raids, which geared the raid and allowed it to progress over time.

We used it because people got tired of the fly by night people who were completely unreliable.

As rusty said, anything that reduces the pay to win crap in a game is good thing IMO.

GDKP isn't used in guild raids.

[TKVNC]

My experience with DKP was points earned through attendance of the raids. This way the people who had the currency to actually bid on items were the people showing up to the raids, which geared the raid and allowed it to progress over time.

We used it because people got tired of the fly by night people who were completely unreliable.

As rusty said, anything that reduces the pay to win crap in a game is good thing IMO.

GDKP is Gold (Dragon Killer Points), as oppose to just DKP.

One is the spending of points from attending raids, the other is spending massive sums of gold purchased from Chinese gold sellers with your disability benefit.

Hope that helps!

[Norfleet]

GDKP is Gold (Dragon Killer Points), as oppose to just DKP.

One is the spending of points from attending raids, the other is spending massive sums of gold purchased from Chinese gold sellers with your disability benefit.

So, what, this is some kind of raid-specific currency? How does it work? I'm only famliar with systems where everyone either gets their own loot, or people get to fight to the death over the loot afterwards.

[TKVNC]

GDKP is Gold (Dragon Killer Points), as oppose to just DKP.

One is the spending of points from attending raids, the other is spending massive sums of gold purchased from Chinese gold sellers with your disability benefit.

So, what, this is some kind of raid-specific currency? How does it work? I'm only famliar with systems where everyone either gets their own loot, or people get to fight to the death over the loot afterwards.

Generally speaking, attendees bid gold on items, the highest bid gets it, and pays gold.

This gold may then be split to the rest of the raid, or it may go solely to the organisers, or some other destination.

[Oyster Sauce]

GDKP is Gold (Dragon Killer Points), as oppose to just DKP.

One is the spending of points from attending raids, the other is spending massive sums of gold purchased from Chinese gold sellers with your disability benefit.

So, what, this is some kind of raid-specific currency? How does it work? I'm only famliar with systems where everyone either gets their own loot, or people get to fight to the death over the loot afterwards.

Raiders bid for drops. Anybody can bid on any piece, even if they're doing it to run the price up or give it to their friend.
At the end of the raid, all leftover pieces nobody wanted are disenchanted and then the mats from that are also bid off. The raid leader takes a ~10% cut of the pot and the rest is split even between everybody else (group specific exceptions might be slightly higher cuts for main tanking, top heals, top DPS, or no cuts for people who did incredibly poorly, which is typically expected for people bringing alts with no pre-raid BIS). Legendary items that are very rare or require multiple runs of the same raid may be pre-bid outside of the game and locked in for one person.

The main benefits are that your raid expenses are always covered by your cut, you're always getting "points" towards gear you want unlike every other PUG loot system where you can and often will end the night with nothing, powerful players who don't need gear want to join just for the gold, and you won't have issues with people leaving after the piece they wanted didn't drop because then they'll lose their cut.

The main drawback is that the most coveted items will go for very high prices the first few times they drop, but this also means you're making a lot more gold you can bid on other pieces.

[BBCinTovisAss]

any effort to actually push back on using real world money to get an advantage in an online game should be applauded

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

You keep telling yourself that. Half these MMOs are made by Asians in the first place. Meanwhile whites (mutants) are the biggest land whales for these games. For the ones who aren't like yourself, you have nothing else going on in your life so you deem grinding in a MMO a "life achievement" while Muslims and blacks are in the next room having their way with your mom's gaping *******.

The MMOs made by whites, along with other games made by them in general, are going to be filled with the most degenerate homosexual + ***** crap possible, so they're not even worth playing.

I can play a game by Asians where the women look hot and the men are men.

Or I can play a game by whites where the women look like men, the men look like women and half the cast are gay or ********. In the next few years, these games will have mandatory unskippable sodomy scenes featuring the main character and you know it.

I'll go with the Asian game.

In anycase, MMOs are **** in general. Go play an action RPG and no not white made homo ****** **** like Dragon Age the Gayguard, Kingdom Cum Sodomy 2 or ******* Gay Shadows. Go play Asian made ones like Nioh, Black Myth or Dark Souls. MMOs are for gamers who have no skill.

[Norfleet]

Raiders bid for drops. Anybody can bid on any piece, even if they're doing it to run the price up or give it to their friend.
At the end of the raid, all leftover pieces nobody wanted are disenchanted and then the mats from that are also bid off. The raid leader takes a ~10% cut of the pot and the rest is split even between everybody else (group specific exceptions might be slightly higher cuts for main tanking, top heals, top DPS, or no cuts for people who did incredibly poorly, which is typically expected for people bringing alts with no pre-raid BIS). Legendary items that are very rare or require multiple runs of the same raid may be pre-bid outside of the game and locked in for one person.

Okay, so this is something people just made up? It's not an actual rule? No wonder I've never heard of it. So if this is something entirely made up and doesn't actually exist in the game, how would it be "banned"?

[Oyster Sauce]

Raiders bid for drops. Anybody can bid on any piece, even if they're doing it to run the price up or give it to their friend.
At the end of the raid, all leftover pieces nobody wanted are disenchanted and then the mats from that are also bid off. The raid leader takes a ~10% cut of the pot and the rest is split even between everybody else (group specific exceptions might be slightly higher cuts for main tanking, top heals, top DPS, or no cuts for people who did incredibly poorly, which is typically expected for people bringing alts with no pre-raid BIS). Legendary items that are very rare or require multiple runs of the same raid may be pre-bid outside of the game and locked in for one person.

Okay, so this is something people just made up? It's not an actual rule? No wonder I've never heard of it. So if this is something entirely made up and doesn't actually exist in the game, how would it be "banned"?

PUGs need to be advertised.

[Norfleet]

PUGs need to be advertised.

So, what, they banned the LFG spam?

[Tinky Winky]

wrong, poorfags should be less powerful.

The problem is that ****** and pajeets have a tendency for p2w (to compensate for their inferior gene maybe), while humans (whites) play mmos to enjoy the process of getting stronger through their own efforts in the game. Anyone who p2w is either brown or yellow btw, imagine paying to skip the best part of MMORPGs.

You keep telling yourself that. Half these MMOs are made by Asians in the first place. Meanwhile whites (mutants) are the biggest land whales for these games. For the ones who aren't like yourself, you have nothing else going on in your life so you deem grinding in a MMO a "life achievement" while Muslims and blacks are in the next room having their way with your mom's gaping *******.

The MMOs made by whites, along with other games made by them in general, are going to be filled with the most degenerate homosexual + ***** crap possible, so they're not even worth playing.

I can play a game by Asians where the women look hot and the men are men.

Or I can play a game by whites where the women look like men, the men look like women and half the cast are gay or ********. In the next few years, these games will have mandatory unskippable sodomy scenes featuring the main character and you know it.

I'll go with the Asian game.

In anycase, MMOs are **** in general. Go play an action RPG and no not white made homo ****** **** like Dragon Age the Gayguard, Kingdom Cum Sodomy 2 or ******* Gay Shadows. Go play Asian made ones like Nioh, Black Myth or Dark Souls. MMOs are for gamers who have no skill.

Ameriggers (including Chinknadians) aren't white, and Kangdom Cum is made by ***** so your argument is invalid. I don't play MMORPGs anymore other than setting up my own private server for singleplayer though, MMORPGs belong in y2k and I'll give you that.