World of Warcraft: Retail, Classic and Private

[DagothGeas5]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

I do believe from other posts I saw here that we all already have houses and "developer approved" houses are seldom something I want (or can have, as many are just bought with real money instead of in-game quests etc). I much more prefer to pick a place and use my imagination (usually a room in a tavern where a character has his specific bed he always uses where I /sleep before I log out, or make a campfire through the Cooking profession in the wilderness, etc). Not only in World of Warcraft either, in Sacred and other games I would just go live in an unused house or similar as well. Sacred also allows to drop your gold and every item, so I loved to leave everything out before closing the game and pick everything back up (shortcut A on pc) when loading the game once more, even just to see all the items around the place.

[rusty_shackleford]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

I do believe from other posts I saw here that we all already have houses and "developer approved" houses are seldom something I want (or can have, as many are just bought with real money instead of in-game quests etc). I much more prefer to pick a place and use my imagination (usually a room in a tavern where a character has his specific bed he always uses where I /sleep before I log out, or make a campfire through the Cooking profession in the wilderness, etc). Not only in World of Warcraft either, in Sacred and other games I would just go live in an unused house or similar as well. Sacred also allows to drop your gold and every item, so I loved to leave everything out before closing the game and pick everything back up (shortcut A on pc) when loading the game once more, even just to see all the items around the place.

It just doesn't feel the same to me in an MMO when it's instanced. I thought my base in fo76 was neat because other players could stop by, look around, use the vending machines of public accommodations etc.,
But that doesn't really scale to MMO size so I don't think there's much of a solution.

[LemonDemonGirl]

15 years away from this game being The Sims & Mythic+.

Cope.

[methoxetamine]

Still anxiously counting down the days until Blizzard HQ gets KyoAni'd

[Manny V]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

I do believe from other posts I saw here that we all already have houses and "developer approved" houses are seldom something I want (or can have, as many are just bought with real money instead of in-game quests etc). I much more prefer to pick a place and use my imagination (usually a room in a tavern where a character has his specific bed he always uses where I /sleep before I log out, or make a campfire through the Cooking profession in the wilderness, etc). Not only in World of Warcraft either, in Sacred and other games I would just go live in an unused house or similar as well. Sacred also allows to drop your gold and every item, so I loved to leave everything out before closing the game and pick everything back up (shortcut A on pc) when loading the game once more, even just to see all the items around the place.

aye, i sometimes like unequipping all my gear save my shirt and pants, and lying down on a bed in an inn before logging off

[Kalarion]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

FF XI's housing had a couple unique gameplay-related features.

You could use it to garden. The process was involved and took awhile, but it gave all players access to certain items that were normally restricted to BCNMs, and otherwise could be used as a casual moneymaking enterprise. I gardened enough elemental ores and other materials to make my first million gil on Horizon, for insance.

You could also do something like feng shui. Various furnishings had elemental affinities. A house's dominant elemental affinity would create bonus effects for that player. For instance, you could make crafting certain items more likely to succeed, or more likely to produce an HQ item.

You could also earn decorations for your house through missions etc that had minor gameplay effects when put up. Things like increasing fishing success or yield.

[HyalineAmaranth]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

FF XI's housing had a couple unique gameplay-related features.

You could use it to garden. The process was involved and took awhile, but it gave all players access to certain items that were normally restricted to BCNMs, and otherwise could be used as a casual moneymaking enterprise. I gardened enough elemental ores and other materials to make my first million gil on Horizon, for insance.

You could also do something like feng shui. Various furnishings had elemental affinities. A house's dominant elemental affinity would create bonus effects for that player. For instance, you could make crafting certain items more likely to succeed, or more likely to produce an HQ item.

You could also earn decorations for your house through missions etc that had minor gameplay effects when put up. Things like increasing fishing success or yield.

They will not tie player power or strong advantages to housing because of what happened with garrisons.

[rusty_shackleford]

They won't do it because WoW hasn't been an MMO longer than it was an MMO. It's a loot treadmill where you hop around waiting for a queue to pop.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Why is this thread tagged under *******

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Patch 11.2 has been announced. It is about going to the Ethereal's shattered homeworld. The raid final boss Dimensius looks neat. Also nice to see a Shadowlands faction return. Probably releasing in August at the earliest.

[rusty_shackleford]

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reminder that blizzard has to keep old versions of their game around because the audience for their current version doesn't exist

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Looks like they changed the thumbnail.

[Oyster Sauce]

Hey it's that little area you fly over going from Stormwind <> Ironforge

[rusty_shackleford]

WoW is perhaps the least interesting 21 year old actively developed game. It has so little accumulated content because they repeatedly just wipe away the last expansion — either literally so or effectively so. You can play something like OSRS and it has so much content from the years of development that it's crazy.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

WoW is perhaps the least interesting 21 year old game. It has so little accumulated content because they repeatedly just wipe away the last expansion — either literally so or effectively so. You can play something like OSRS and it has so much content from the years of development that it's crazy.

Disagree. While the longevity of the normal gameplay is pretty short (beat the current expansion questline and get to level cap over the weekend, do the current raid, and then you're done till the next patch), and even though you don't have 21 years of campaign to play through, there is still 21 years of art and music to tour through.




There is no other game that has the same level of character customization as WoW in terms of visually distinct playable races, the sheer number of transmogs and mounts and pets and items/flasks/toys/food that augment the look of your character. No other game has so many high fantasy zones to fly through and explore. Two decades of music, and looking at my favorites' playlist the game has over 300 truly great tracks (before counting the many variations of a single track!). Art wise, the only games that come close in terms of accumulated art are FF14 and GW2, which have been running for half the length of WoW and do not have the same level of technical quality in the visual art be it character model variety or the amount of armor that is configurable (in FF14 you can't swap out your cape or shoulderpads or belt or chestplate. They are all one piece. FF14 does not have tons of recolors for almost every mount like WoW has, so if you like a model but don't like its color scheme or pattern, sucks to be you).

There is no other online videogame with an active ingame RP community as large as WoW's with ingame campaigns happening every month with hundreds of attendees per day. LotRO's doesn't come anywhere near close.

[rusty_shackleford]

WoW is perhaps the least interesting 21 year old game. It has so little accumulated content because they repeatedly just wipe away the last expansion — either literally so or effectively so. You can play something like OSRS and it has so much content from the years of development that it's crazy.

Disagree. While the longevity of the normal gameplay is pretty short (beat the current expansion questline and get to level cap over the weekend, do the current raid, and then you're done till the next patch), and even though you don't have 21 years of campaign to play through, there is still 21 years of art and music to tour through.




There is no other game that has the same level of character customization as WoW in terms of visually distinct playable races, the sheer number of transmogs and mounts and pets and items/flasks/toys/food that augment the look of your character. No other game has so many high fantasy zones to fly through and explore. Two decades of music, and looking at my favorites' playlist the game has over 300 truly great tracks (before counting the many variations of a single track!). Art wise, the only games that come close in terms of accumulated art are FF14 and GW2, which have been running for half the length of WoW and do not have the same level of technical quality in the visual art be it character model variety or the amount of armor that is configurable (in FF14 you can't swap out your cape or shoulderpads or belt or chestplate. They are all one piece. FF14 does not have tons of recolors for almost every mount like WoW has, so if you like a model but don't like its color scheme or pattern, sucks to be you).

There is no other online videogame with an active ingame RP community as large as WoW's with ingame campaigns happening every month with hundreds of attendees per day. LotRO's doesn't come anywhere near close.

That's exactly my point: most of this isn't content.
Contrast something like DDO, a significantly smaller budget game. It has 20 years of accumulated content and it shows. I bought DDO DLCs because I wanted to play the content that was in it.


Let's say you had to buy each WoW xpac individually to play the content that was provided, but did not require that xpac to go to the next(assume likewise with leveling). Which expansions would you buy?

Depending on what classes and races you like, you might buy one or two expansions there. Most people would buy TBC to unlock jewelcrafting or another expansion with a specific tradeskill they like. And it has been a long time since I've played(and yet, I've seen nothing that would suggest the trend has changed), so maybe another expansion or two for other tradeskills.
But fundamentally, what content has been added over the years that the average player would still want to engage with to the point of owning that specific expansion?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

But fundamentally, what content has been added over the years that the average player would still want to engage with to the point of owning that specific expansion?

That is complicated answer because the way the game has worked since Legion is that they will bring back old dungeons in the Mythic+ dungeon roster and update their enemy mechanics and ability visuals, and people ask for a lot of old dungeons to get brought back. They are bringing back dungeons as old as Cata that still look good like Vortex Pinnacle and Throne of the Tides. And then there is the Timewalking week every month where you get to rerun old expansion dungeons and an old expansion raid with the numbers tuned up to be more relevant for current max level and geared characters, and people keep asking for more old raids to be added to Timewalking. So people would still buy those old expansions so that they have more variety in dungeons. And then last year we had MoP remix where you go to through almost all MoP content (except for the original Vale of Eternal Blossoms zone, Golden Lotus questline, and the Wrathion legendary questline) and that was very popular, and soon they will be doing a Legion remix. As a new player you don't go through WoW's content linearly like in FF14 but you will still experience a lot of its simply because it gets brought back. And then there are also people who chose to use Chromie Time to go do old expansion questlines to level up instead of sitting in a city and spamming the dungeon queue. And then you have people running old questlines and raids trying to get transmogs/mounts/pets/toys/etc.

Let's say you had to buy each WoW xpac individually to play the content that was provided, but did not require that xpac to go to the next(assume likewise with leveling). Which expansions would you buy?

If you are asking me personally, I would probably want to buy all of them. Every expansion has stuff I want, be it transmogs/mounts/playable races/classes or dungeons I would like to see be added to M+, or raids added to Timewalking, or battleground maps I would like to see when doing my seasonal 40 RBG wins for a Vicious Saddle mount. And now with the advent of Remix, there is now the hope that old overworld content and questlines will get tuned up and made for a better experience.

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TBC: I really liked the zany space fantasy zones. The purple twisting nether, the mushroom marsh, the flavorful Terokkar Forest, the scenic Nagrand, the imaginative Bladespire Mountains, etc. Eversong Woods was also picturesque. The slim Blood Elves are more attractive human-esque models than the Stormwind humans, though I find myself drawn more to Warcraft's monstrous races. The Draenei gives you a big beefy warrior race if you want to play Alliance side. I was hoping that TBC would get brought back as a Remix, as it would be fun to quest through the zones. It might be even more fun with the new overworld hard mode that is being implemented in Legion remix where you might need a party just to survive overworld mobs. It would also be neat if a few visually great TBC dungeons got brought back in M+, namely Hellfire Rampants, The Underbog, and The Botanica. I would also like to see The Sunwell get brought back as a timewalking raid as it looks pretty good and has neat music. TBC also has the Eye of the Storm battleground which I think looks great, though in RBGs it is often not very fun. I feel like the match there is usually decided pretty early and you are just waiting for it to end, but at least you can blow people off the cliffs.

Wrath: Borean Tundra, Howling Fjord, and Grizzly Hills look good and are fun to be in, so it would be nice if we got a Remix here. WotLK has the Death Knight class which is tied with paladin as my favorite class to play as in WoW. You get heavy armor, a melee weapon, some magick powers, overall a cool aesthetic. Wrath also has a lot of great transmog sets designed by Mark Gibbons. There is also the big Tuskarr fishing pole which is worth doing the two weeks of daily chores to get on a main. I find most WotLK instances to be pretty forgettable, but I liked the two Nexus dungeons and Utgarde Pinnacle so I'd like to see them come back for M+. Ulduar is already in the timewalking raid rotation, which is good because it is pretty varied in visuals and has well designed fights. Wintergrasp and Strand of the Ancients are nice big war maps, and Wintergrasp was recently added to the instanced 40vs40 BG queue so you can play there again. Sadly SotA was removed from rotation a couple years ago.

Cata: Worth purchasing for the new early levelling zone storylines like the invasion of Gilneas two parter (create a Worgen character and do their 1 to 10 story, then create a Forsaken and go to Silverpine Forest and resume the story from the Forsaken's perspective), the Horde stonetalon mountains questline, "Do the Right Thing", etc. Sadly the new high level zones like Hyjal, Uldum, etc, are a wash. Wouldn't do a Remix for them. I am glad that some Cata dungeons made it into M+ like Throne of the Tides and Vortex Pinnacle as they look good. Grim Batol got brought back last year, not my favorite but it adds more variety and the revamped last boss was neat. I thought End Time and Halls of Origination looked good so those can come back too. For raids, I actually quite liked Dragon Soul so I wish that came back instead of Firelands which is pretty samey orange-red throughout. Maybe they could rework some bosses like how they rework dungeon bosses for M+. The Worgen race are also worth buying for, though not my absolute favorite compared to Tauren/Pandaren. Lastly you get a better looking capture the flag map with Twin Peaks. There is also Battle for Gilneas which brings visual variety but is also not very fun to play since it feels like the map is decided early on and then you are just waiting.

MoP: My favorite expac. I loved the Mop remix last year where I got to go through the gorgeous overworld zones and questlines again but with the numbers and rewards tuned up. Great music too. IIRC this was also the last expansion Mark Gibbons worked on and has many iconic transmog sets, and ofcourse there were the legendary cloaks with their effects. People keep wearing the SoO paladin set for a reason. Great mounts too like the Cloud Serpents and the Shado-Pan tigers. There are also toys like Magical Pet Biscuits to increase the size of your pet, and cool pets like Xu-Fu or the Pandaren spirits. Pet Battling is an okay diversion, is mainly there to kill time while waiting for a raid to fill. Almost all of the dungeons are great, both visually and when playing through them. They got added to M+ early. You also get three good raids and two great raids (ToT and SoO). Mogu'shan Vaults with the terracotta army is very unique, though it is samey throughout. Heart of Fear is also unique with the mantid and their creepy organic architecture and the amber stained glass, but again also samey throughout. Terrace looks scenic and the last boss is memorable with you fighting him in the middle of the ocean. ToT is ofcourse one of the best raids ever made with visual variety throughout. SoO has good boss fights and a climatic story. There were scenarios that helped tell more story about what was happening across Azeroth. Timeless Isle was very fun back when it was current with everybody talking to each other and being on the lookout for those traitor players who pledged themselves to Ordos, though sadly the experience was not quite replicated in Remix. Lastly you get the Pandaren race, which is tied with Tauren and Orcs as my favorite playable race in WoW, looking pretty beefy and heroic, but they are also accessible on Alliance side so you don't have to be locked to Horde if you want to look cool. It also has the Monk class, which adds visual variety to the game but is also the closest we have ever gotten to a "cool" healer with the Mistweaver class, though it still feels like it is channeling sparkles at times. This expac also added three battlegrounds, one of which is bad (Temple of Kotmogu being a snowball, has my lowest RBG winrate), one good (Deepwind Gorge, the new remade map is even better than the original), and the great Silvershard Mines with the three moving mine carts. It also has the Tigers Peak arena map which is my favorite looking arena map, if I had to pick one arena to play forever it would be that one.

WoD: great looking zones and a good levelling storyline. Would play a Remix of. It also has many good looking mounts like the Clefthooves and the new Elekk models. It also is also tied with MoP as having the best music in the game. The transmog designs begin declining but there is stuff worth farming here for like the mythic Blackrock Foundry DK belt (needed for Panda DKs to distract from their beer belly). This expansion also has good looking weapon transmogs with the Challenge Mode weapons (the humongous polearm is a winner), though they are sadly now unobtainable forever. Some of the dungeons are neat like Grimrail Depot with the moving trains, or the scenic Everbloom and its music (glad that got added to M+ during DF). Would like to see Auchindoun get added to M+. I also liked the Blackrock Foundry raid (so many great fights such as the pacman-esque Oregorger, fighting on the conveyor belts against Hans'gar and Franzok, dodging trains on Operator Thogar, the intensity of Blackhand, etc), though sadly the raid looks samey throughout. The other two raids were okay. Sadly there are no new BGs or arenas, and Ashran was not well designed for a big war experience like AV or Wintergrasp.

Legion: I overall did not like this expansion very much, both in the content experience and the stuff to loot from it. I am not sure I play Legion remix as I did not like the zones (both aesthetically and the quests), did not like the dark and cramped dungeons, and did not like the omnipresence neon green lava/fire and demon army you fight throughout, which got old pretty fast. I liked the Antorus DK set and the Trial of Valor plate chestpiece. Some of the artifact weapons looked good, like the Windwalker handblades, the paladin flail, or the DK axe and greatsword skins. Most of the class order hall storylines were short and mediocre. The DK questline was terrible! Most of the mounts are a skip too. The Broken Isles allied races are weird in that they required you to both preorder BFA (because the Allied Races "feature" was the selling point of that expac), AND also grind Legion reputations to unlock them, but now the rep requirements have been removed, so how do we count that one? The only Legion allied race of interest to me is the Lightforged Draenei (had better facial hair options so I racechanged my draenei warrior to that), and Void Elves (which later got fair skinned customizations so you could play as a more beautiful human-esque character on the Alliance side). PvP wise, I thought that Seething Shore was refreshing since you are constantly running around after the Azerite geysers (sadly it has since been removed due to player complaints), and there also that scenic Ashaman's Fall arena (probably my second favorite WoW arena behind Tiger's Peak). Really I'd buy this one for the two arenas, a few transmogs, and for races to play on my alts (Lightforged Draenei, Void Elves). EDIT: this expansion introduced the Mythic+ Dungeon feature, in which old dungeons get brought back and have their mechanics updated and are given loot relevant to current max levelled characters. So this expansion would be a must buy for that.

BFA: Another expansion that does not offer that much IMO. Zuldazar, Nazmir, Kul'tiras, and Nazjatar look fantastic, but the actual questing content there is boring. The War of Thorns prepatch questline was great and is one of the best questlines in WoW, but it was removed upon the expansion's launch. There are several great faction themed sets like the bright colored Horde and Alliance themed plate sets, but they have since become unobtainable. I quite liked Island Expeditions and thought that they were more fun to level through than going through corridor dungeons over and over again, but sadly IE has not been tuned up since the expansion ended. BFA introduced the Mag'har allied race if you want to play a brownskinned orc instead of a greenskinned one. There also Vulpera, which add more visual variety to the game, but I wouldn't play them. Dark Iron dwarves are cooler than regular dwarves, but again I can only main 1 or 2 characters max so I wouldn't really play that race enough for it to be worth buying. Most transmogs continue to be a skip. The remade Vanilla BGs look better. I did not really like any of the instances except for Nyalotha, which looks great but is samey for its length.

Shadowlands: I liked the zany space fantasy zones and hyperspace flightpaths, so a Remix here tuning up the difficulty of the overworld would be fun. There are also some cool transmogs like some of the Mawsworn weapons from Torghast, the Necrolord chimera mounts or the Kyrian Griffin or magitek lion mounts. If you play a hunter then you can get some unique looking feathered dragon pets in Ardenweald or those weird and cute Vombatas from Zereth Mortis. You can get the Soulshape toy and some cool Soulshapes like tigers or Cloud Serpents, so you can be transformed as a cool looking ghostly animal as any class. This expansion was also special because allowed your character to learn brand new magicks, like being a Death Knight who learned some blue Night Fae sparkle magicks, or being a Paladin who learned some sickly red Venthyr vampiric spells. Or being a druid who learned some sickly green Necrolord abilities. Sadly several of these abilities have since been removed, some added back later as glyphs but not all. I still want the Night Fae DK's Death's Due ability back as a glyph, that looks way better than our default Death and Decay spell. The Covenant magicks really made it feel like your character had become an expert as their base class and were now branching out to learn new things. There are also some good heritage quest transmogs like the Tauren armor and back totem. I did not like the instances very much. The Kyrian PvP arena Empyrean Domain also looks great, probably my favorite arena in WoW along with Tiger's Peak and Ashamane's Fall. Overall would buy for the transmogs, arena, and the overworld zones whose value is increased if a Remix is added.

Dragonflight: introduced Dragonriding which is much more fun (not revolutionary but still much more fun) than regularly flying, so would buy for that alone. It also introduces the second support class in WoW (the first being paladin with its blessings and additional heals), the Augmentation Evoker. However, Evoker is currently race locked to the tumblr scaly class of Dracthyr, so I would never play it a lot. This expansion has scenic zones, so a Remix having you play through the overworld again would be good. This expansion has several great cosmetics like the dragonriding mounts and their customizations, the Neltharion greatsword, the Amirdrassil raid weapons, the new and bigger back totems from the Baine questline, etc. You can also unlock a cooking recipe from the Grizzlemaw Furbolgs that allows you to increase the size of your character, which is very nice if you want to to show up at RP events as a Tauren as his canonical size. The dungeons are okay. Amirdrassil is probably the overall best raid in terms of both story, visuals, fights, and music, but Abberus also has some good fights (even if visually it is samey throughout). Only redeeming factor of Vault of the Incarnates is the last boss fight with Raszageth. This expansion also revamped crafting, but it is still fundamentally navigating menus which is not fun to me so I don't engage with crafting. It did make gathering a little bit more fun with the elemental flowers and ores like the wind flowers that blow you around, but there is no reason to gather anymore after prices plummet a few weeks into an expansion due to the botters.

TWW: the underground zones look great and would be enhanced by a remix with increased overworld difficulty that made you stay there longer. It is very fun to fly through these underground zones with stuff whizzing past all around you. The account wide bank is a very nice QoL feature for shuffling stuff around like Magical Pet Biscuits. Some of the dungeons like the one where you jump off and fly back to the airship are fun. The raids are good but samey throughout (would like to see raids with visual variety like Ulduar and ToT again). The Hero talents are a mixxed bag and often underwhelming, but Deathbringer gives you a cool quadruple scythe attack, Rider of the Apoclaypse lets you run around and fight while mounted (on a horse you can't replace), and Diabolist lets you summon Pit Lords. But if you don't play those classes then it sucks to be you.

I would probably buy in order:

MoP (holistically) = WotLk (DKs, transmogs) = Legion (M+ feature) > Shadowlands (zones and transmogs) = Dragonflight (dragonriding) > Cata (dungeons and transmogs) = TBC (zones) = TWW (zones) = WoD (zones, some instances) >> BFA (very little stuff of current relevance).

[Val the Moofia Boss]

For the entire month of July, transmog droprates from all raids and dungeons up through Shadowlands will be doubled, and the droprate of the boss mounts (ie Invincible, Mimiron's Head, etc) and legendary weapons (ie Sulfuras, Warglaives of Azzinoth, etc) increased by 10x. So if there is anything you really want, might be good to pop a WoW token.

[buttfucker 3000]

WoW is perhaps the least interesting 21 year old game. It has so little accumulated content because they repeatedly just wipe away the last expansion — either literally so or effectively so. You can play something like OSRS and it has so much content from the years of development that it's crazy.

Disagree. While the longevity of the normal gameplay is pretty short (beat the current expansion questline and get to level cap over the weekend, do the current raid, and then you're done till the next patch), and even though you don't have 21 years of campaign to play through, there is still 21 years of art and music to tour through.




There is no other game that has the same level of character customization as WoW in terms of visually distinct playable races, the sheer number of transmogs and mounts and pets and items/flasks/toys/food that augment the look of your character. No other game has so many high fantasy zones to fly through and explore. Two decades of music, and looking at my favorites' playlist the game has over 300 truly great tracks (before counting the many variations of a single track!). Art wise, the only games that come close in terms of accumulated art are FF14 and GW2, which have been running for half the length of WoW and do not have the same level of technical quality in the visual art be it character model variety or the amount of armor that is configurable (in FF14 you can't swap out your cape or shoulderpads or belt or chestplate. They are all one piece. FF14 does not have tons of recolors for almost every mount like WoW has, so if you like a model but don't like its color scheme or pattern, sucks to be you).

There is no other online videogame with an active ingame RP community as large as WoW's with ingame campaigns happening every month with hundreds of attendees per day. LotRO's doesn't come anywhere near close.

Character customization is still a weak point, even after the shadowlands upgrade to the Character creation. Generic NPCs still can look so much cooler than us. An example of this are the Nightborne NPCs in Suramar. Why can't the Nightbornes we have look as cool as them?

[Norfleet]

Disagree. While the longevity of the normal gameplay is pretty short (beat the current expansion questline and get to level cap over the weekend, do the current raid, and then you're done till the next patch), and even though you don't have 21 years of campaign to play through, there is still 21 years of art and music to tour through.

None of which matters if all of that content has been rendered into irrelevant useless dogshit and is functionally unplayable because there is no one to play it with because it is DEAD. If all you care about is "art and music", you are not here to play a game, you are watching the Youtube.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

WoW is perhaps the least interesting 21 year old game. It has so little accumulated content because they repeatedly just wipe away the last expansion — either literally so or effectively so. You can play something like OSRS and it has so much content from the years of development that it's crazy.

Disagree. While the longevity of the normal gameplay is pretty short (beat the current expansion questline and get to level cap over the weekend, do the current raid, and then you're done till the next patch), and even though you don't have 21 years of campaign to play through, there is still 21 years of art and music to tour through.




There is no other game that has the same level of character customization as WoW in terms of visually distinct playable races, the sheer number of transmogs and mounts and pets and items/flasks/toys/food that augment the look of your character. No other game has so many high fantasy zones to fly through and explore. Two decades of music, and looking at my favorites' playlist the game has over 300 truly great tracks (before counting the many variations of a single track!). Art wise, the only games that come close in terms of accumulated art are FF14 and GW2, which have been running for half the length of WoW and do not have the same level of technical quality in the visual art be it character model variety or the amount of armor that is configurable (in FF14 you can't swap out your cape or shoulderpads or belt or chestplate. They are all one piece. FF14 does not have tons of recolors for almost every mount like WoW has, so if you like a model but don't like its color scheme or pattern, sucks to be you).

There is no other online videogame with an active ingame RP community as large as WoW's with ingame campaigns happening every month with hundreds of attendees per day. LotRO's doesn't come anywhere near close.

Character customization is still a weak point, even after the shadowlands upgrade to the Character creation. Generic NPCs still can look so much cooler than us. An example of this are the Nightborne NPCs in Suramar. Why can't the Nightbornes we have look as cool as them?

Oh I agree that there are many more cool WoW models that would be great to play as, and yeah it's a shame that you don't get access to all variations of a race like the thin human models introduced in BFA. I think it is a testament to WoW that we already have so many different races, and there are even more races that get popular playable races requests like Ogre, Naga, Drakkonoids, Broken, both versions of Arrakoa, Ethereals and Brokers, Nerubians, Lich model, San'layn, Jinyu, Saurok, Mogu, Saberon, Botani, Sethrak, etc. Strangely, there is nowhere near as much demand for NPC races becoming playable in the other current MMOs like FF14 (only seen player desire for Lupin) or GW2 (only seen desire for Tengu and Kodan). It is a shame that Blizzard harvests a billion+ USD$$$ per year with their millions of subscribers x (box purchase every two years + $180 yearly subs), but they can't be bothered to assign a few art guys out of their 500+ man team to go model/texture/rig/animate and fulfill those popular requests. It's probably ties into that corpo ******** where the courts ruled that the suits have a moral obligation to shareholders over customers, and then when the business achieves market saturation and can't grow anymore the suits try to keep increasing profit margins by cutting costs.

[methoxetamine]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

[HyalineAmaranth]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

They massacred Danath Trollbane. They completely neutered him, he literally says "The Sons of Lothar promote tolerance and mercy" in the new questline. I don't even know it was possible to do worse than Pelagos, but nu-Blizzard keep surpassing themselves.

Faerin is also a disgrace; she's just tokenism incarnate :

• Black
• "Strong" woman
• Mongrel (Half-Elf)
• One-eyed
• Covered with scars
• Jewfro
• One arm amputee
• Descendant of "Queen Craishae, the First Flame" and imbued with it's magical power.
• Wannabe therapist with her safespace ******** with Anduin, ocean of positivity that is always right.

[LemonDemonGirl]

"Trollbane"
That's like... a German being named Hans Jewkiller.
Trolls are our friends.

[Manny V]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

there's no way that's a proper cutscene in game, that's gotta be some fan made gay **** surely lmao

[rusty_shackleford]

What really sells it to me is the glasses

[WaterMage]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

Imagine paying every month to play this ****.

[Norfleet]

Housing has always been a feature for the vocal minority, especially streamers etc., to show off now. It's not a real feature that actually adds anything to the game for me unless I'm furnishing a home for characters to actually live in, which could be neat mind you.

The reason housing has always been a feature for a vocal minority is because housing is typically A: Inconvenient, and B: Useless.

Our characters are wandering murderhobos. They don't need a house that is inconvenient to reach because you have to travel to a spot which is either far from anywhere useful to access it, where everyone in the world is somehow living in that one apartment building like it's some kind of magical flophouse, and/or it's useless and doesn't let the player actually accomplish anything in/with it.

The solution is to give the player a ******* boat. Houses are for poors, anyway. Yachts are where it's at. Having a boat serves all the expected functions of housing: You can decorate it, personalize it, whatever. It is also useful, because it happens to be the player's mode of transport and can provide him with naval artillery support. You can have gameplay around it, where you fight other boats in it, whether in PvE or PvP. And because it's a mobile object, the player can take it with him so it's actually where he's at, without everyone being crammed into a single flophouse somewhere, or having to bicker over real estate.

[buttfucker 3000]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

Imagine paying every month to play this ****.

I play mainly for heroic and mythic raiding with my guild. But yeah the story took a massive nosedive after Legion and then crashed in a fiery nuclear explosion in Shadowlands. The lore has been so irredeemably raped and defiled that it's no longer recognizable. Zero interest in paying any attention to this pozzed slop.

[LemonDemonGirl]

The downfall of WoW really needs to be studied

https://i.imgur.com/m3tjd6D.mp4

Forgive the **** quality video with no sound, not sure where to find the proper link

Imagine paying every month to play this ****.

I play mainly for heroic and mythic raiding with my guild. But yeah the story took a massive nosedive after Legion and then crashed in a fiery nuclear explosion in Shadowlands. The lore has been so irredeemably raped and defiled that it's no longer recognizable. Zero interest in paying any attention to this pozzed slop.

Thanks to Ion and that ****** Danuser