I don't see anything about dumping everything and starting over completely. Nor do the previews we have of the Chinese Room version really support that idea. I'm not saying that's not what happened, I'm saying I see nothing to indicate that it happened. It's still set in Seattle, by the snow in the most recent trailer it's set around Christmas time... seems to me there are more than a few things that were not "dumped and started over"
In this very thread I posted "The Chinese Room has kept Bloodlines 2's initial planned setting of Seattle, and while Greaney noted that they "have been able to reuse a significant amount of art and level design" from Hardsuit's project, Skidmore was quick to clarify that The Chinese Room is using "a new code base with different gameplay mechanics and RPG systems."" And from https://screenrant.com/vampire-masquera ... interview/ there's "It's very much our vision. I've been on the project a year, but when The Chinese Room took it over in 2021, we did for our vision sort of start from scratch. So it is a new codebase, a new world, a new story, because we're a different developer, and we're building to our strengths and what we see as that fateful translation of VTM. But the things that have continued over from the Hardsuit Labs version is quite a lot of character art and environment art, especially since we chose to also base it in Seattle, because that gave us a big leg up."
That seems quite a lot different from "dumping everything and starting over".
Am I the only one who thinks the LA Noir faces looked great? I always see people ******** on them but they looked good-to-great to me, especially for the time.
yeah that's the problem - they were too great, and because of that they stood out like a sore thumb. LA Noire's facial capture was way more precise than other techniques, including the modern ones (its animations are actually better than ones in Uncharted 4 or TLOU2). So we have a game with photorealistic faces, highly realistic animations, and 2010-tier graphics for everything else.
I imagine the cost alone is enough to dissuade people from using it. Guerilla Games was talking about how every single NPC in Horizon: Forbidden West is mo-capped and how that's unprecedented for a game of that size, and their budget was between $250-300 million (that we know of, probably more. This came out during the Acti-Blizz merger trial.)
Swen was previously bragging about doing mocap for 100% of the cutscenes and dialogues in the game. His mocap was way cheaper because they built their own capture studios instead of contracting the existing ones.
Odds are this is the Hardsuit game. Chinese Room hasn't had the time to write, design and implement a completely new game from scratch.
They've stated multiple times that they are only using some of the level design and assets from the Hardsuit version. This is new code from scratch and completely different writing.
When will people stop believing in marketing. They can say whatever they want. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the cook proclaiming it is an original recipe — source: trust me bro
Development time in total will be more than three and a half years. That's enough time to make an AA game from scratch.
Time is not the concern, money is. Paradox has flushed quite a bit of money down the drain already. Chinese Room is there to take that jank and make a game out of it to make money.
Paradox has already wasted almost a decade on this game and has nothing to show for it. Starting development of a new game from scratch is not in the cards.
if u think gaming industry or movie industry is about making money you are dumb even for a goyslop. **** dont care about money, only goyslop works for it, they just print it. capitalism is not about meaningless profit, its about control of resources including goyslop leaky brains.
mass media is their most powerful weapon, they will use it to full potential regarding the cost.
I imagine the cost alone is enough to dissuade people from using it. Guerilla Games was talking about how every single NPC in Horizon: Forbidden West is mo-capped and how that's unprecedented for a game of that size, and their budget was between $250-300 million (that we know of, probably more. This came out during the Acti-Blizz merger trial.)
Swen was previously bragging about doing mocap for 100% of the cutscenes and dialogues in the game. His mocap was way cheaper because they built their own capture studios instead of contracting the existing ones.
Yeah but Swen kinda cheated there because he isn't counting all of the dialog scenes as "cutscenes". At least I don't think the shot/reverse shot dialog interactions are mocapped, they don't seem so. Good marketing regardless, normies eat that **** up, like saying "every line is voice acted".
They've stated multiple times that they are only using some of the level design and assets from the Hardsuit version. This is new code from scratch and completely different writing.
When will people stop believing in marketing. They can say whatever they want. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the cook proclaiming it is an original recipe — source: trust me bro
Development time in total will be more than three and a half years. That's enough time to make an AA game from scratch.
Time is not the concern, money is. Paradox has flushed quite a bit of money down the drain already. Chinese Room is there to take that jank and make a game out of it to make money.
Paradox has already wasted almost a decade on this game and has nothing to show for it. Starting development of a new game from scratch is not in the cards.
if u think gaming industry or movie industry is about making money you are dumb even for a goyslop. **** dont care about money, only goyslop works for it, they just print it. capitalism is not about meaningless profit, its about control of resources including goyslop leaky brains.
mass media is their most powerful weapon, they will use it to full potential regarding the cost.
there was no lack of goyslop in the Hardsuit Labs iteration, so no need to re-do anything in that regard
When will people stop believing in marketing. They can say whatever they want. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the cook proclaiming it is an original recipe — source: trust me bro
Time is not the concern, money is. Paradox has flushed quite a bit of money down the drain already. Chinese Room is there to take that jank and make a game out of it to make money.
Paradox has already wasted almost a decade on this game and has nothing to show for it. Starting development of a new game from scratch is not in the cards.
if u think gaming industry or movie industry is about making money you are dumb even for a goyslop. **** dont care about money, only goyslop works for it, they just print it. capitalism is not about meaningless profit, its about control of resources including goyslop leaky brains.
mass media is their most powerful weapon, they will use it to full potential regarding the cost.
there was no lack of goyslop in the Hardsuit Labs iteration, so no need to re-do anything in that regard
it just wasnt sloppy enough. **** are short on schedule for end of credit cycle this is why its getting so grotesque.
So, let me get this straight. Paradox hands over a cult classic IP that had everyone in gaming abuzz with excitement for a sequel - either because they played the game or, in most cases, because they had heard about Bloodlines 1 via word of mouth - to a bunch of ********, woke shovelware devs that have no ******* clue what they're doing.
They, predictably, **** things up to such a degree that Paradox has to step in and kill the project like you'd kill a mulatto baby just out of the womb, and their next bright idea after this fiasco is to hand over the cult classis IP to another ********, woke dev?
Even worse, the dev in question has never actually made a game with gameplay in it, and had gotten rid of all their workers because they had no more money to pay them, so why even bother with Chinese Room? They have no actual name recognition, they're not popular, they're not known for having made anything worthwhile.
The dev is just a skinsuit being worn by the rejected detritus of other fuckup devs like BioWare or Obsidian.
Are they called Chinese room because they want to avoid the stink of Western game developers? I got excited for a moment that a based (if buggy...heh) game was going to come out of China. Nope its the UK, meaning you are just some gay black females lapdog. If they at least went all in on vampire power fantasy like Vampyr did then it could makeup for a **** story, but I doubt they will. If its based off a tabletop RPG then it will be "balanced" to boring and back.
I got excited for a moment that a based (if buggy...heh) game was going to come out of China.
China isn't based.
No *******, no trannys, no *******. Based enough for me in this gaming climate
No *******, ********, *******, and yet somehow they haven't produced one micron of a percent of all the great works the west has. Weird. We still get some decent stuff in the West too despite all these problems, whereas China? Enjoy your mobile grinding skinner box HERO OF WAR CHAMPIONS #192,098,000
No *******, ********, *******, and yet somehow they haven't produced one micron of a percent of all the great works the west has. Weird. We still get some decent stuff in the West too despite all these problems, whereas China? Enjoy your mobile grinding skinner box HERO OF WAR CHAMPIONS #192,098,000
I heard that the Three-Body Problem series was pretty good actually.
So, let me get this straight. Paradox hands over a cult classic IP that had everyone in gaming abuzz with excitement for a sequel - either because they played the game or, in most cases, because they had heard about Bloodlines 1 via word of mouth - to a bunch of ********, woke shovelware devs that have no ******* clue what they're doing.
They, predictably, **** things up to such a degree that Paradox has to step in and kill the project like you'd kill a mulatto baby just out of the womb, and their next bright idea after this fiasco is to hand over the cult classis IP to another ********, woke dev?
Even worse, the dev in question has never actually made a game with gameplay in it, and had gotten rid of all their workers because they had no more money to pay them, so why even bother with Chinese Room? They have no actual name recognition, they're not popular, they're not known for having made anything worthwhile.
The dev is just a skinsuit being worn by the rejected detritus of other fuckup devs like BioWare or Obsidian.
tl;dr game is DOA
Sumo Digital paid millions for the The Chinese Room brand name (and Dan Pinchbeck who's already left), so it's worth that much to Britbongs. They want it to be the Naughty Dog of the UK so they've been staffing up for that.
Britbongs pay millions daily to house Albanians in 5-star hotels, free phone, wi-fi and allowance included. I don't think bongs are good judges on the worth of things.
No *******, ********, *******, and yet somehow they haven't produced one micron of a percent of all the great works the west has. Weird. We still get some decent stuff in the West too despite all these problems, whereas China? Enjoy your mobile grinding skinner box HERO OF WAR CHAMPIONS #192,098,000
I heard that the Three-Body Problem series was pretty good actually.
I've heard it was what if Mass Effect was good, but I haven't read it.
This is definitely a situation where the suites up top are ****** about how much time/money is being sunk into this and tossed it to a shell of a developer who hell or highwater will force it out the door at a deadline given. Not that this will absolve the devs whenever it ends up being a massive pile of caca, great games have been made under similar ****** conditions it's just back then people got jobs based on their ability to perform and not ESG/giving handies.
I'm just stating the facts.
Question is are you going to gargle the truth or swallow?
No *******, ********, *******, and yet somehow they haven't produced one micron of a percent of all the great works the west has. Weird. We still get some decent stuff in the West too despite all these problems, whereas China? Enjoy your mobile grinding skinner box HERO OF WAR CHAMPIONS #192,098,000
I heard that the Three-Body Problem series was pretty good actually.
I've heard it was what if Mass Effect was good, but I haven't read it.
No idea why someone would say that. Core concept was good. Would have preferred Anglicized names. Seems to strive to tell things in an intentionally jumbled way at times.
I heard that the Three-Body Problem series was pretty good actually.
I've heard it was what if Mass Effect was good, but I haven't read it.
No idea why someone would say that. Core concept was good. Would have preferred Anglicized names. Seems to strive to tell things in an intentionally jumbled way at times.
we need a real-life mod for universally anglicized ***** names.
what's the deal with ***** names in particular? It's not so difficult with any other language.
I've heard it was what if Mass Effect was good, but I haven't read it.
No idea why someone would say that. Core concept was good. Would have preferred Anglicized names. Seems to strive to tell things in an intentionally jumbled way at times.
we need a real-life mod for universally anglicized ***** names.
what's the deal with ***** names in particular? It's not so difficult with any other language.
They use a lot of letters we are trained to treat as variables: x, y, z, etc
Also, no consistent pronunciation, making the entire name into a symbol. (Have personally met people who use ji, x, xi, ch to represent the same sound in their names.)
