Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon

[Nessa]

He is so unbelievably ********.

Perfect example of the "entertainment" vs "game" issue.

They don't want a game, they simply want to be entertained.

Reminds me of a brief clip I saw of this ugly idiot playing... I think it was Helldivers 2. After seeing his awful performance I realized I wasn't as bad at shooters as I thought.

[Eyestabber]

I think this game falls well within 90s normalcy and that era of gaming was never "trad". You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

Anyway:



Got friendzoned in-game. Here's a protip, guys: don't tell girls you have a piece of King Arthur's soul inside you, they don't find that quality attractive. =\

[Finarfin]

I think this game falls well within 90s normalcy and that era of gaming was never "trad". You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

Anyway:



Got friendzoned in-game. Here's a protip, guys: don't tell girls you have a piece of King Arthur's soul inside you, they don't find that quality attractive. =\

the **** is up with her face? Why does she look like that guy mewing?

[rusty_shackleford]

You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

female knight of the round table is giga-woke you libtard

Here's a protip, guys: don't tell girls you have a piece of King Arthur's soul inside you, they don't find that quality attractive

ladies, is this true?

[gerey]

What the **** is that thing?

[Eyestabber]

female knight of the round table is giga-woke you libtard

This game is as woke as Skyrim. Anyone claiming otherwise is engaging in ****** revisionism.

What the **** is that thing?

Character models in this game are ugly as hell.

In other news:



Killed the *** raping pursuer ghost.

[rusty_shackleford]

This game is as woke as Skyrim. Anyone claiming otherwise is engaging in ****** revisionism.

skyrim isn't based on an existing mythology you giga libtard

and yes, skyrim is woke
frog boiling in water

[NezahualDoomer]

I think this game falls well within 90s normalcy and that era of gaming was never "trad". You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

You are a ******* ****** and part of the problem, I bet you are a ******* simp.

[Roguey]

This game is as woke as Skyrim. Anyone claiming otherwise is engaging in ****** revisionism.

Skyrim has a quest where you slutshame a woman to put her in her place, does this game have something similar?

[rusty_shackleford]

Skyrim scores too high on the equal opportunity femoid warrior scale, but is otherwise fine. Does very well on e.g., distinct races, not being a multicult utopia

[Eyestabber]

I think this game falls well within 90s normalcy and that era of gaming was never "trad". You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

You are a ******* ****** and part of the problem, I bet you are a ******* simp.

Eat ****, newfag.

Skyrim scores too high on the equal opportunity femoid warrior scale, but is otherwise fine. Does very well on e.g., distinct races, not being a multicult utopia

Lol. Nords in Windhelm are portrayed as evil raycists who bully poor dindu nothing dark elves for no reason. The Thalmor are bad cuz dey be raycist. The Empire is good because it's anti-raycist. Delphine bad cuz she raycist. Meanwhile in fall of Avalon "muh raycism" is simply not an issue anywhere. You're all too eager to follow kids like this newfag who were simply not alive "back in the day" and have no clue what the norm even was. Go back to old AD&D manuals, they have fighting women depicted. Is that woke? This discussion can only be honest if we establish a baseline for what we deem acceptable and tolerable. To me that's late 90s and early 00s morality, which was far from the "trad" ideals a lot of newfags seem to believe. Otherwise we are left with a bunch of cretins like randomedgynewfag#46843584 over there, grasping at straws to condemn one game as "woke" while playing hundreds of hours of Pozzer's Gate 3, Wokefinder and other much worse offenders.

EDIT: OH WOW, just realized I was telling a Gruumz wannabe "content creator" to eat ****. My grifter detector is unmatched.

[rusty_shackleford]

I think this game falls well within 90s normalcy and that era of gaming was never "trad". You folks are purity spiraling hard ITT.

You are a ******* ****** and part of the problem, I bet you are a ******* simp.

Eat ****, newfag.

Skyrim scores too high on the equal opportunity femoid warrior scale, but is otherwise fine. Does very well on e.g., distinct races, not being a multicult utopia

Lol. Nords in Windhelm are portrayed as evil raycists who bully poor dindu nothing dark elves for no reason. The Thalmor are bad cuz dey be raycist. The Empire is good because it's anti-raycist. Delphine bad cuz she raycist. Meanwhile in fall of Avalon "muh raycism" is simply not an issue anywhere. You're all too eager to follow kids like this newfag who were simply not alive "back in the day" and have no clue what the norm even was. Go back to old AD&D manuals, they have fighting women depicted. Is that woke? This discussion can only be honest if we establish a baseline for what we deem acceptable and tolerable. To me that's late 90s and early 00s morality, which was far from the "trad" ideals a lot of newfags seem to believe. Otherwise we are left with a bunch of cretins like randomedgynewfag#46843584 over there, grasping at straws to condemn one game as "woke" while playing hundreds of hours of Pozzer's Gate 3, Wokefinder and other much worse offenders.

el lotso texto, libtard

[Eyestabber]

You are a ******* ****** and part of the problem, I bet you are a ******* simp.

Eat ****, newfag.

Skyrim scores too high on the equal opportunity femoid warrior scale, but is otherwise fine. Does very well on e.g., distinct races, not being a multicult utopia

Lol. Nords in Windhelm are portrayed as evil raycists who bully poor dindu nothing dark elves for no reason. The Thalmor are bad cuz dey be raycist. The Empire is good because it's anti-raycist. Delphine bad cuz she raycist. Meanwhile in fall of Avalon "muh raycism" is simply not an issue anywhere. You're all too eager to follow kids like this newfag who were simply not alive "back in the day" and have no clue what the norm even was. Go back to old AD&D manuals, they have fighting women depicted. Is that woke? This discussion can only be honest if we establish a baseline for what we deem acceptable and tolerable. To me that's late 90s and early 00s morality, which was far from the "trad" ideals a lot of newfags seem to believe. Otherwise we are left with a bunch of cretins like randomedgynewfag#46843584 over there, grasping at straws to condemn one game as "woke" while playing hundreds of hours of Pozzer's Gate 3, Wokefinder and other much worse offenders.

el lotso texto, libtard

Old game woke, you dumbass.

[rusty_shackleford]

Eat ****, newfag.



Lol. Nords in Windhelm are portrayed as evil raycists who bully poor dindu nothing dark elves for no reason. The Thalmor are bad cuz dey be raycist. The Empire is good because it's anti-raycist. Delphine bad cuz she raycist. Meanwhile in fall of Avalon "muh raycism" is simply not an issue anywhere. You're all too eager to follow kids like this newfag who were simply not alive "back in the day" and have no clue what the norm even was. Go back to old AD&D manuals, they have fighting women depicted. Is that woke? This discussion can only be honest if we establish a baseline for what we deem acceptable and tolerable. To me that's late 90s and early 00s morality, which was far from the "trad" ideals a lot of newfags seem to believe. Otherwise we are left with a bunch of cretins like randomedgynewfag#46843584 over there, grasping at straws to condemn one game as "woke" while playing hundreds of hours of Pozzer's Gate 3, Wokefinder and other much worse offenders.

el lotso texto, libtard

Old game woke, you dumbass.

women being fighters is gay and woke

[Eyestabber]

el lotso texto, libtard

Old game woke, you dumbass.

women being fighters is gay and woke

Yes, but enough Skyrim discussion, we're derailing the thread.

[WaterMage]

. Nords in Windhelm are portrayed as evil raycists who bully poor dindu nothing dark elves for no reason(...)The Empire is good because it's anti-raycist.

This is false. The Elder Scrolls depicted racism in an interesting way. IE—Everyone is racist against everyone, some more (Thalmor), some less(Imperial), and even the less racist groups like the highly individualist Bretons hated when one of their rulers engaged in a multiracial relationship. Dunmer were enslaving others and now are in a position of vulnerability, but if they become in charge of Windhelm, they will be much more "racist" than Nords, as racist as Dunmer in Morrowind. The empire is not depicted as the good guy. You are sent to be executed despite being off the list. They give the power to the Thalmor to be judge, jury, and executioner and torture to death anyone in the empire. They strangled the Redguards with so many regulations and bureaucracy that the Redguards won against the Thalmor without the empire but would lose with the empire.

This game, I can't fully judge as I didn't finished yet and will have less time to play this week(preparing for the final stages of a job application, the technical interview)

grasping at straws to condemn one game as "woke" while playing hundreds of hours of Pozzer's Gate 3, Wokefinder and other much worse offenders.

There are degrees of wokeness. A bit of wokeness is tolerable.

But Celtic people look like Celts in this game. There are genders. One or two girlboss is nothing to note.

Sure, has a bit of wokeness, but is far from Forspoken, Concord tier.

Yes, but enough Skyrim discussion, we're derailing the thread.

He owns the forum. He decides if we are derailing the thread.

[Oyster Sauce]

Yes, but enough Skyrim discussion, we're derailing the thread.

He owns the forum. He decides if we are derailing the thread.

No, I do.

[Lord of Riva]

That is actually not Perceval but one of his descendants. That much should have been easily discerned by Yvain being far removed in lineage as well.

Yes and that is how they are trying to push this, they are technically not replacing Perceval with a woman but they are making the Knights a "position" that anyone can take...

So no she is not replacing Perceval but you still have a woman as a knight of the round table that names herself Perceval.

You still get to the same result:

Woman knight of the round table named Perceval

******* gaslighting.

I am not defending this decision to make the character a woman or that the game is not woke, that would not make sense but you err to some extent:

The title is given to the bloodline it's part of the story that the descendants of the knights of the Round table are not worthy to fulfill their roles like their ancestors, "legacy" is a focal point in the story.

This Perceval while holding the title of the knight of the round table (which again is merely a political position inside the kamelotian court) is not a knight in akin to what would be understood according to Arthurian legends but a Priestess of the "All-mother" hence she is located in a corrupted temple together with a lot of acolytes and the leader of this corrupted church and possessed by a spirit to boot.

That is why she is not wearing armor but is half naked, all women there wear modified versions of the all-mothers robes just "evil and sexy" because that fits the 90s style of art they are going for.

There are certainly parts enough to not support the game due to woke influence but here it is the "fighting female" trope that is likely at the absolute bottom of things that is going to change if they change at all, while we are still at the all gay Blacksmith group level.

[Lord of Riva]

This game is as woke as Skyrim. Anyone claiming otherwise is engaging in ****** revisionism.

Skyrim has a quest where you slutshame a woman to put her in her place, does this game have something similar?

There are comments against what feminism says is good in this game, that however is not the metric to make a game not woke.

It's the old "two step forwards, one step back" spiel.

It's not about making it equal, in which we are allowed to criticize aspects of their ideology while they can flaunt it in any other aspect an we are happy with it, it is also not about puritanism.

The issue remains that the story of "women being equal" (and it is good that they should be able to behave like men) and "men being oppressive" is factually completely untrue.

At this point it is like a running Joke in all of media.
Imagine that the story of the moon being made of cheese was so prevalent and believed that in any game the moon is featured it's made of cheese and when a person brings up that the moon is actually not made of cheese (which we also scientifically know in this scenario) is gaslighted, called names and at best cancelled, that is where we are with feminist Myths.

There can be no great stories made when we are not allowed to actually tell some which are not bound to false myths always wrongly reiterating what is known to be false.
There are some games featuring a cheese made of Moon and that is fine and so would be a game which explores the individuality of femininity but this "subversion of expectation" has long since become a cancerous norm in any story to be told.

[rusty_shackleford]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7253873/

Results indicate that untrained men have greater upper and lower body strength than trained women athletes in terms of both absolute and relative strength.

Every media depiction of a woman is just a man with boobs, quite literally now. In both terms of physical and emotional characteristics.

There's some irony in women heavily favoring this fantasy depiction of something they are not and never will be.

[Eyestabber]

So many words and yet I remain correct: the grifter newfag and his followers want to hold this game to a standard none of the GOAT RPGs would pass. In fact, I'm eager to hear about a single medieval fantasy cRPG without wahmen warriors.

This game belongs on the yellow category for wokeness.

[rusty_shackleford]

So many words and yet I remain correct: the grifter newfag and his followers want to hold this game to a standard none of the GOAT RPGs would pass.

It's holding the game to the same standard I apply to all games now.
The time for being nice has ended.

In fact, I'm eager to hear about a single medieval fantasy cRPG without wahmen warriors.

battle brothers, gothics

[Eyestabber]

It's holding the game to the same standard I apply to all games now.
The time for being nice has ended.

Thanks for conceding my point. That wasn't so hard, was it?

In other news:



If you kill Arden Shadowblade the quest simply breaks . Devs didn't account for the player being an actual psycho.

[NezahualDoomer]

Having women warriors etc before was for the male gaze, now it's because they want to push a ******* message, every women warrior in gaming now needs to be scrutinized to see what is the real motive they are putting them there.

If developers put a disclaimer saying "we are putting ******* as warriors because this is a fantasy setting and in our fantasy setting the male and female differences are not as in real life" or something that acknowledged the ridiculous BS they are trying to put in games these days, even a "female warriors are hot and this is why they are in the game" would immediately help aleviate any woke claims.

BUT

In this game you are naming a ***** Perceval and putting her as a round table knight, that is why is woke, because it's changing the gender of one of the knights and effectively pushing a woman to the round table where only male knights belong.

Unless this is a porno I don't want the round table knights to be women.

"buT iI iSN't rEpLAcInG bEcUs nOt sAmE kNiGhT"

I don't give a ****, I am not ******** and I know what they are doing and why.

[Xenich]

Having women warriors etc before was for the male gaze, now it's because they want to push a ******* message, every women warrior in gaming now needs to be scrutinized to see what is the real motive they are putting them there.

If developers put a disclaimer saying "we are putting ******* as warriors because this is a fantasy setting and in our fantasy setting the male and female differences are not as in real life" or something that acknowledged the ridiculous BS they are trying to put in games these days, even a "female warriors are hot and this is why they are in the game" would immediately help aleviate any woke claims.

BUT

In this game you are naming a ***** Perceval and putting her as a round table knight, that is why is woke, because it's changing the gender of one of the knights and effectively pushing a woman to the round table where only male knights belong.

Unless this is a porno I don't want the round table knights to be women.

"buT iI iSN't rEpLAcInG bEcUs nOt sAmE kNiGhT"

I don't give a ****, I am not ******** and I know what they are doing and why.

With the exceptions of various instances, they were always doing it for a specific purpose, but they were slow boiling a frog and so tried to keep it measured and directed in ways that many would dismiss or not take direct exception to because this focus was a minority intent.

Now though, they simply dumped the water out and threw the frog directly into the skillet.

I find it odd though as this fast track has done more harm to their intent than if they had slowly progressed it like in the past through various methods.

It seems more these days rather than a intelligent coordination to corrupt, it is rather a bunch of mentally ill sub intellects (fems, ****, etc...) simply gooning out to their fantasies with no thought to the consequences of what they are doing. I honestly believe a lot of the sex/race swapping is really just angry feminists/****** trying to **** males through the content, that they get off on the content they produce looking to anger their audience.

Being the idiots they are though, they have bought into their own fantasies and don't realize that many males can't be groomed to this content and are dealing with the backlash.

[sheet]

Pre-2014, women warriors could follow the rule of cool. Just include it because we wanna play with our virtual action figures.

2014, GamerGate happens. Every developer sides against the players. From this point, in their eyes, all aspects of narrative and design must curve toward "woke" ideas.

Post-2014, anything made is guilty of this paradigm until proven otherwise. It's not about cool action figures but making every bit of media into "real life representation".

That's the simple reason I don't have problems with old games having "woke" concepts. There was no central event that "forced" everything to fall in line. And no, the pendulum still hasn't "swung the other way" like grifters will tell you.

[Eyestabber]

male gaze

Kid that uses feminist language tells others they're the problem. Kek.

Pre-2014, women warriors could follow the rule of cool. Just include it because we wanna play with our virtual action figures.

2014, GamerGate happens. Every developer sides against the players. From this point, in their eyes, all aspects of narrative and design must curve toward "woke" ideas.

Post-2014, anything made is guilty of this paradigm until proven otherwise. It's not about cool action figures but making every bit of media into "real life representation".

That's the simple reason I don't have problems with old games having "woke" concepts. There was no central event that "forced" everything to fall in line. And no, the pendulum still hasn't "swung the other way" like grifters will tell you.

I have absolutely no issue with this stance. If you guys want to claim fatigue, fine. As long as you admit your standard for newer games is more strict than it was back in the day, you do you, I guess. But coming here to try and pretend like Skyrim and Dragon Age: Origins were examples of "trad" gaming while this 7/10 is bloody murder woke garbage is a pathetic stance befit only of clickbait grifters.

Anyway, I just finished act 2 and my char is basically maxed out. Time to see the real god awful act.

[Xenich]

male gaze

Kid that uses feminist language tells others they're the problem. Kek.

Pre-2014, women warriors could follow the rule of cool. Just include it because we wanna play with our virtual action figures.

2014, GamerGate happens. Every developer sides against the players. From this point, in their eyes, all aspects of narrative and design must curve toward "woke" ideas.

Post-2014, anything made is guilty of this paradigm until proven otherwise. It's not about cool action figures but making every bit of media into "real life representation".

That's the simple reason I don't have problems with old games having "woke" concepts. There was no central event that "forced" everything to fall in line. And no, the pendulum still hasn't "swung the other way" like grifters will tell you.

I have absolutely no issue with this stance. If you guys want to claim fatigue, fine. As long as you admit your standard for newer games is more strict than it was back in the day, you do you, I guess. But coming here to try and pretend like Skyrim and Dragon Age: Origins were examples of "trad" gaming while this 7/10 is bloody murder woke garbage is a pathetic stance befit only of clickbait grifters.

Anyway, I just finished act 2 and my char is basically maxed out. Time to see the real god awful act.

I find the earlier games better simply because the level of their content focus in them was less focused to that garbage than the games are today. BG:3 is merely DA:O taken to the extreme. The reason I find it more acceptable in evaluation over BG:3 is likely more of the focus and amount it produced concerning this issue. While DA:O has elements of the same disgust and influence BG:3 has, it is much less forefront and focused than BG:3 and so its "game" elements stand in the forefront while in BG:3, all I can remember about the game is the constant garbage being pushed at all levels (and that was with heavy modding).

Intent and focus changed, and because of that, so does the harshness of the evaluation.

[sheet]

I'm way more strict on rating modern games compared to old ones.
The propaganda before was way less obvious, everything made now is ugly while also be sterile, I don't want to support modern devs or publishers. It helps keep the backlog from growing as fast and I don't need to keep upgrading hardware.

Fallout can have girlbosses, gay stuff, Indians, and Tim Cain and it's still a fun game. But if I even see a Bluesky link on a Steam game page so help me ...

[Lord of Riva]

Anyway, I just finished act 2 and my char is basically maxed out. Time to see the real god awful act.

The balancing is the true issue of the game. Just go to the lower east sword and end the game in 30 minutes