Starfield - Todd Howard's latest masterpiece

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[Shillitron]

Entangled quest spoilers. Don't read if you haven't done it yet, because it's a pretty good quest.

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I picked Rafael. The game isn't clear(on purpose) about what happens to the alternate reality you don't pick. If I assume that the realities simply diverged at the point of the incident, then all the crew except Rafael are dead in his reality. And likewise, in the other reality everyone but Rafael is dead. If the realities split, then everyone in the latter Rafael-dead reality is fine without my help. But Rafael would die without our help.
Took a bit to stop and think on it before making the choice.

You missed a few details.

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- The divergance happens when Raphael chooses to either run into the control room saving himself, or into the laser room, delaying everyone else's death (he doesn't prevent it)
- The people in the good universe will still die. How do I know??
- If you look at the table near where Raphael's corpse is in good universe you'll notice blood on a table and a knife near it.. if you zoom in on the the table written in blood says "days left until explosion" or something.. It has no quest marker, it's not interactable.. it's just there on the table as set dressing.

I'm sorta wondering if Raphael was meant to be sitting at that table and a physics bug launched him into the corner in my game?
Starfield really impresses me with their level design / attention to detail.

Conclusion:

- I still think technically you made the right choice.. the dual galaxy split is only within the lab.. I think the director said.. but when you visit the planet the satellite is broadcasting a message from the bad universe.. so I think technically that universe is your original one..??

They said only you can swap between universes so how would a message from another universe get to the satellite in lower orbit? Maybe I'm wrong though.

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[maidenhaver]

Starfield has simulated robot vs npc wars.

[Shillitron]

Vasco knows how to treat women.

[rusty_shackleford]

Entangled quest spoilers. Don't read if you haven't done it yet, because it's a pretty good quest.

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I picked Rafael. The game isn't clear(on purpose) about what happens to the alternate reality you don't pick. If I assume that the realities simply diverged at the point of the incident, then all the crew except Rafael are dead in his reality. And likewise, in the other reality everyone but Rafael is dead. If the realities split, then everyone in the latter Rafael-dead reality is fine without my help. But Rafael would die without our help.
Took a bit to stop and think on it before making the choice.

You missed a few details.

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- The divergance happens when Raphael chooses to either run into the control room saving himself, or into the laser room, delaying everyone else's death (he doesn't prevent it)
- The people in the good universe will still die. How do I know??
- If you look at the table near where Raphael's corpse is in good universe you'll notice blood on a table and a knife near it.. if you zoom in on the the table written in blood says "days left until explosion" or something.. It has no quest marker, it's not interactable.. it's just there on the table as set dressing.

I'm sorta wondering if Raphael was meant to be sitting at that table and a physics bug launched him into the corner in my game?
Starfield really impresses me with their level design / attention to detail.

Conclusion:

- I still think technically you made the right choice.. the dual galaxy split is only within the lab.. I think the director said.. but when you visit the planet the satellite is broadcasting a message from the bad universe.. so I think technically that universe is your original one..??

They said only you can swap between universes so how would a message from another universe get to the satellite in lower orbit? Maybe I'm wrong though.

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They can just leave. You not returning is obvious. Or did I miss something?
He couldn't get out.

[rusty_shackleford]

anyone who complains about starfield performance will now undergo mandatory pc inspection

[KnightoftheWind]

At least he's honest. He couldn't be bothered to optimise his game whatsoever, so he might as well be upfront with the reality of the situation.

[Red7]

Best Bethesda game since Oblivion.

Trannywind lovers are upset that one of the main characters isn't a ****** like vivec.

also, all ******** were killable in morrowind without mods, another show of superiority over soyfiled

also i was joking to my negro friend who plays this, how crazy it would be if space combat had not even radar, forcing u to play "space sim" in third person like complete *** or like some ******** mobile game trash for 5 year olds.
i mean i didnt saw radar in lps, they always make me sleepy, but i couldnt believe when he told me there is none. i mean game couldnt be so ****. but it is

some x4 rebirth level of putrid goat jizz leaking ****

[Shillitron]

anyone who complains about starfield performance will now undergo mandatory pc inspection

Todd's initial response was amazing.. but the meandering about "o-o-our fan feedback is great" sort felt desperate IMO.

He should of just said "Upgrade your shitbox" while Phil snickered along next to him.

[Shillitron]

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They can just leave. You not returning is obvious. Or did I miss something?
He couldn't get out.

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I don't see any ships though.. so not sure they can just leave.. and they make a point about the APEX PREDATORS who are only staying away because of their sonic boomboom machines.. but it's a fair point they could of tried I guess.

He's also saying that he's gonna dig an exit out of the building when you escort him to the entrance so he's attempting to leave in his universe.. do you even know for sure that he will die if you choose them? I think either way it's ambiguous what each universe will do if you don't stay in it.

The only caveat being.. the director does say it's possible that the universe you stay in is the one that continues to exist and the other one just poofs, aka it's not a multi-world scenario.. We don't have enough in-game data to know if the universe you abandon is a real universe that forks or if the wave collapses to only one existing at all.

[rusty_shackleford]

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They can just leave. You not returning is obvious. Or did I miss something?
He couldn't get out.

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I don't see any ships though.. so not sure they can just leave.. and they make a point about the APEX PREDATORS who are only staying away because of their sonic boomboom machines.. but it's a fair point they could of tried I guess.

He's also saying that he's gonna dig an exit out of the building when you escort him to the entrance so he's attempting to leave in his universe.. do you even know for sure that he will die if you choose them? I think either way it's ambiguous what each universe will do if you don't stay in it.

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I assume an entire team of intelligent researchers could figure out some way to contact a rescue team. The guy by himself is ******. You've alerted them to a real problem and they definitely believe it. If you don't come back they know there's an issue.
Also, your point about the original satellite message being from him is a good one if you care more about 'your' universe.

[Shillitron]

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They can just leave. You not returning is obvious. Or did I miss something?
He couldn't get out.

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I don't see any ships though.. so not sure they can just leave.. and they make a point about the APEX PREDATORS who are only staying away because of their sonic boomboom machines.. but it's a fair point they could of tried I guess.

He's also saying that he's gonna dig an exit out of the building when you escort him to the entrance so he's attempting to leave in his universe.. do you even know for sure that he will die if you choose them? I think either way it's ambiguous what each universe will do if you don't stay in it.

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I assume an entire team of intelligent researchers could figure out some way to contact a rescue team. The guy by himself is ******. You've alerted them to a real problem and they definitely believe it. If you don't come back they know there's an issue.
Also, your point about the original satellite message being from him is a good one if you care more about 'your' universe.

I edited my post after you quoted it with one more caveat.

[rusty_shackleford]

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I don't see any ships though.. so not sure they can just leave.. and they make a point about the APEX PREDATORS who are only staying away because of their sonic boomboom machines.. but it's a fair point they could of tried I guess.

He's also saying that he's gonna dig an exit out of the building when you escort him to the entrance so he's attempting to leave in his universe.. do you even know for sure that he will die if you choose them? I think either way it's ambiguous what each universe will do if you don't stay in it.

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I assume an entire team of intelligent researchers could figure out some way to contact a rescue team. The guy by himself is ******. You've alerted them to a real problem and they definitely believe it. If you don't come back they know there's an issue.
Also, your point about the original satellite message being from him is a good one if you care more about 'your' universe.

I edited my post after you quoted it with one more caveat.

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are you sure?

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come back to this discussion after you finish the main quest

[Shillitron]

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I assume an entire team of intelligent researchers could figure out some way to contact a rescue team. The guy by himself is ******. You've alerted them to a real problem and they definitely believe it. If you don't come back they know there's an issue.
Also, your point about the original satellite message being from him is a good one if you care more about 'your' universe.

I edited my post after you quoted it with one more caveat.

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are you sure?

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come back to this discussion after you finish the main quest

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I'm sitting at the Unity right now in my game so I know already that the game follows a multi-universe logic.

My point is.. this divergence of two universes is localized inside that lab only.. when you step out of that lab in either case, you are back in your original universe.. the director makes a very specific point that this could be a quantum wave and that you as the "observer" will decide how it collapses.

This makes me think that the universe you abandon does not end up as a new universe with it's own artifacts.. and it's own people similar to the Unity.. but that your decision simply collapses the two possibilities into this universe. All of this is head larping on my part but again, whatever decision you choose.. outside that lab it's always your same universe - that's a bit sketch.

The director does specifically say that the one you don't choose will possibly cease to exist.. but she doesn't know about the Unity so either that's the writers trying to hint it will happen or just her being ignorant.

[rusty_shackleford]

I edited my post after you quoted it with one more caveat.

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are you sure?

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come back to this discussion after you finish the main quest

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I'm sitting at the Unity right now in my game so I know already that the game follows a multi-universe logic.

My point is.. this divergence of two universes is localized inside that lab only.. when you step out of that lab in either case, you are back in your original universe.. the director makes a very specific point that this could be a quantum wave and that you as the "observer" will decide how it collapses.

This makes me think that the universe you abandon does not end up as a new universe with it's own artifacts.. and it's own people similar to the Unity.. but that your decision simply collapses the two possibilities into this universe. All of this is head larping on my part but again, whatever decision you choose.. outside that lab it's always your same universe - that's a bit sketch.

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I choose to believe otherwise, and therefore there is two universes split from one.

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And not only are there two universes, a parallel main character saves them in their universe. Both are saved.

[Shillitron]

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are you sure?

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come back to this discussion after you finish the main quest

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I'm sitting at the Unity right now in my game so I know already that the game follows a multi-universe logic.

My point is.. this divergence of two universes is localized inside that lab only.. when you step out of that lab in either case, you are back in your original universe.. the director makes a very specific point that this could be a quantum wave and that you as the "observer" will decide how it collapses.

This makes me think that the universe you abandon does not end up as a new universe with it's own artifacts.. and it's own people similar to the Unity.. but that your decision simply collapses the two possibilities into this universe. All of this is head larping on my part but again, whatever decision you choose.. outside that lab it's always your same universe - that's a bit sketch.

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I choose to believe otherwise, and therefore there is two universes split from one.

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And not only are there two universes, a parallel main character saves them in their universe. Both are saved.

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In one universe a chad rusty gets a heckin bad *** space suit.
In the other universe some virgin rusty gets an annoying outpost slave to mine ore.

[Shillitron]

Either way, I agree it's a very interesting quest and was really enjoyable to do.

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It's a little genius how they did it too.. they probably had both universes side by side in the same area with different lighting / volumes for each so they look really different.. This allowed you to swap back and forth with no loading screen. I didn't get any bugs with robots / turrets / bugs holding aggro on me or keeping me in combat between swaps either.

Pretty cool.

[Red7]

i was to say soyfield terrian generation looks almost as bad as this polish game from 1998 but i think even this game has more terrain variation and jewfield way more flat and artificial. i guess they couldnt make it decent without bugs so they flatrtned it like tits of vagina teen advised by transgender activist to wear those chest braces to prevent tits from developing

[maidenhaver]

Waiting for open planets mod to even give it a try.

[Emphyrio]

Waiting for open planets mod to even give it a try.

same but waiting for no girlboss mod to round out the no blax mod

[somerandomdude]

The mod everyone's been looking for:



https://basedmods.eth.limo/browse/

[rusty_shackleford]

The mod everyone's been looking for:



https://basedmods.eth.limo/browse/

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[Emphyrio]

The math just doesn't add up.

[Acrux]

You don't believe Starfield has 10 million players?

I think it's amazing that Starfield has 40 million players!

[maidenhaver]

Have microsoft even sold a million xboxes?

[Shillitron]

The math just doesn't add up.

Do they count shipped copies to stores or something...? No they must be counting any xbox live subscriber who even looked at it on the store.

This is pure jerk off material for investors.. the game is flubbing on steam.

[Vergil]

The math just doesn't add up.

"Okay okay maybe there were some Starfield players but I don't think it was 6 million..."

[maidenhaver]

If you count all the poojeet labor they contracted, you get about six million people who touched this game.

[somerandomdude]

Stealth doesn't seem to be nearly as effective in Starfield as it was in some other Bethesda games. What was I expecting to do with level 4 stealth? Maybe ghost some bandits at a base using a suppressed sniper rifle without alerting every mob in the vicinity? I can take one head shot, and then I have to hide for cover to wait for "caution" to return to "hidden", taking a second shot while "caution" is up they'll detect me. I can do the same thing with zero points in stealth, which renders stealth as a skill to be pointless. Also, I didn't just have level 4 in stealth, but my helmet and space suit were also customized for decreased detection, and my helmet also had the chameleon mod on it that makes you cloaked when still. I thought my companion might have been screwing me and getting detected, so I left them back at the ship. Then I thought that maybe that's just "Very Hard" difficulty, but they appear to have functionally equal detection abilities on normal difficulty as well. It wouldn't surprise me at all if stealth as a skill is actually broken and not working at all.

**** being sneaky, you're better off just rushing in with a shotgun or magstorm and microgun and hosing them all down. Or even running them down as a weeaboo with a katana is more effective.

Also, the planet/system levels don't matter too much as far as difficulty goes. My level 11 character can kill stuff on level 55 planets just fine, even on Very Hard. The exp and loot is a lot better on higher level planets, so if you're going to go exploring and clearing out bases, and/or bully the local fauna, you might as well go for the highest level areas possible. You'll quickly find upgrades that will get your character up to par.