Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

[rusty_shackleford]

In one Discord I am in, a guy is saying that this game is innovative for its merger of action with turn based

I hope something terrible and very annoying happens to him. Like a lifetime case of tinnitus.

[flecktarn]

@rusty_shackleford did you beat the game? Is the plot really some subversive **** about how the yearly purge of people is actually good, since it keeps the world stable or protects it from some greater harm or some such globalist-adjecent eco-terror, population control sounding rot?

[rusty_shackleford]

@rusty_shackleford did you beat the game?

No.

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I will post, without spoiler, that the protagonist is a bait-and-switch protagonist.
I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but I think it's ******** when games do this — especially when it's past the refund point for Steam, and the advertised protagonist is used in all the major marketing material.

When creating a protagonist the writer, developer, etc., have entered into an agreement with the person engaging with the material. By it being a fake protagonist, you pull the rug out from under them. I don't consider it to be interesting writing, but a violation of that agreement made.

[Cipher]

@rusty_shackleford did you beat the game?

No.

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I will post, without spoiler, that the protagonist is a bait-and-switch protagonist.
I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but I think it's ******** when games do this — especially when it's past the refund point for Steam, and the advertised protagonist is used in all the major marketing material.

When creating a protagonist the writer, developer, etc., have entered into an agreement with the person engaging with the material. By it being a fake protagonist, you pull the rug out from under them. I don't consider it to be interesting writing, but a violation of that agreement made.

I said this very early in the thread, when it turned out that it was very obvious that Gustave wasn't the real protagonist due to the spoiler I shared. Someone said that doing what they did to the presented protagonist shows "the writers have balls". Funnily enough, the writer is a woman who most definitely has no balls.

[rusty_shackleford]

Here's a guy attempting a very hard boss at a very low level by just parrying every attack for ~3:30 straight then missing a parry and dying in one hit. If you were curious about the combat.

► Show Spoiler

[A Chinese opium den]

Here's a guy attempting a very hard boss at a very low level by just parrying every attack for ~3:30 straight then missing a parry and dying in one hit. If you were curious about the combat.

► Show Spoiler

Gameplay for orientals.

[Demonic Fate]

jrpg fans are ******* annoying, they're all repeating the exact same line now


"HAHA SQUARE ENIX PROVEN WRONG!! THIS GAME SOLD 1 MILLION COPIES!!!!!!"

Out of curiosity I google translated this game's reviews on a couple of super-mainstream japanese sites, the kind that are infamous for being basically total shills for Nintendo/Squenix/Sony/big jap corpos. They sounded genuinely happy with the game as a JRPG, and the non-anime aesthetics didn't bother them in the slightest because they're a country of Frenchaboos.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

jrpg fans are ******* annoying, they're all repeating the exact same line now
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"HAHA SQUARE ENIX PROVEN WRONG!! THIS GAME SOLD 1 MILLION COPIES!!!!!!"

Ever year it’s the same thing **** .Square Enix Final Fantasy game sell well however they have unrealistic sales expectations with overinflated budgets.

I also find it very funny how these same YouTube fuckers are silent that the Netease founded Clair Obscur Expedition 33 parent company ( 120 million dollars ). Guess that indie studio isn’t so indie.

[BlueMemphis]

All i know about this game is it saved turn based rpgs.

Also everyone acting like paper mario is the only other jrpg to ever do something like this, my first thought was legend of dragoon and that i wanted a remake of legend of legaia (in that one you input fighting game moves to attack).

[Tangerine]

All i know about this game is it saved turn based rpgs.

Also everyone acting like paper mario is the only other jrpg to ever do something like this, my first thought was legend of dragoon and that i wanted a remake of legend of legaia (in that one you input fighting game moves to attack).

A lot of JRPG fans don't even play a lot of the older titles in the genre, much less games in other genres, so they act like every stale, rehashed mechanic is an exciting new innovation. I don't dislike the genre, but it's the equivalent of B-movie shlock.

[Nemesis]

It’s even worse on twitter.

... no one wants turn-based combat. That it will never sell.

Is this idiot not aware how well BG3, a turn-based game, did in sales?

[Breathe]

Here's a guy attempting a very hard boss at a very low level by just parrying every attack for ~3:30 straight then missing a parry and dying in one hit. If you were curious about the combat.

► Show Spoiler

That certainly doesn't look fun. Is combat pretty much that, but easier? Also, I dislike that music.

[Cloharp7]

@rusty_shackleford did you beat the game?

No.

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I will post, without spoiler, that the protagonist is a bait-and-switch protagonist.
I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but I think it's ******** when games do this — especially when it's past the refund point for Steam, and the advertised protagonist is used in all the major marketing material.

When creating a protagonist the writer, developer, etc., have entered into an agreement with the person engaging with the material. By it being a fake protagonist, you pull the rug out from under them. I don't consider it to be interesting writing, but a violation of that agreement made.

Premise: I never played, touched nor heard about this game besides what has been talked about here.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my premise, but: you are telling me that

the only white male dies in Act 1, and the rest of the player characters are either women or black,

and some of the people here do not consider it "woke"?

I think your definition of "woke" and mine (which 100% includes feminism and misandry in it as one of its worst, if not THE worst, offender) are really different then.

[Finarfin]

There is not a single ****** party member. There are three women (Maelle,Lune and Sciel) Gustave dies but Verso joins the Expedition. He is basically the replacement

[methoxetamine]

the only white male dies in Act 1, and the rest of the player characters are either women or black,

Not sure where you read this ****, there's ****** npc's in the prologue whom never never see again after the first 30 minutes of the game, the only ****** that sets out on the expedition with you dies within 1 minute of setting off. You have a white male MC the entirety of the game, and you actually get to **** one of the girls later in the game (no sex scene or anything, but it happens multiple times and is explicitly stated)

[Valter]

the only white male dies in Act 1, and the rest of the player characters are either women or black,

Not sure where you read this ****, there's ****** npc's in the prologue whom never never see again after the first 30 minutes of the game, the only ****** that sets out on the expedition with you dies within 1 minute of setting off. You have a white male MC the entirety of the game, and you actually get to **** one of the girls later in the game (no sex scene or anything, but it happens multiple times and is explicitly stated)

[Finarfin]

the only white male dies in Act 1, and the rest of the player characters are either women or black,

Not sure where you read this ****, there's ****** npc's in the prologue whom never never see again after the first 30 minutes of the game, the only ****** that sets out on the expedition with you dies within 1 minute of setting off. You have a white male MC the entirety of the game, and you actually get to **** one of the girls later in the game (no sex scene or anything, but it happens multiple times and is explicitly stated)

>you
are you self inserting?

[Cloharp7]

the only white male dies in Act 1, and the rest of the player characters are either women or black,

Not sure where you read this ****

It was one of the earlier posts I think. I stood corrected.

Then my following question would be. Is the game a misandrist piece of crap? The 3 to 1 female to men ratio in the party, the fact the only male in the party dies, but the women survive without issues, the sister being the leader (which makes me wonder what are the gender roles for the other NPCs in the game), the whole premise of a "witch story" the femoids are usually so fond of and the fact French and feminist harpies/manginas go hand in hand, set several red flags for me.

But I heard discordant opinions in this thread's previous posts.

[Finarfin]

I haven't played much but from what I did, I didn't see or hear any of the female characters being man-hating *******. Perhaps the only scene where it might be a bit skewed towards the woman is when Lune has to convince Gustave to keep going as he was just about to pull the trigger while sitting next to a expeditioner that died more recently while a pile of dead expeditioners is behind them.

[methoxetamine]

Then my following question would be. Is the game a misandrist piece of crap? The 3 to 1 female to men ratio in the party, the sister being the leader (which makes me wonder what are the gender roles for the other NPCs in the game), the whole premise of a "witch story" the femoids are usually so fond of and the fact French and feminist harpies/manginas go hand in hand, set several red flags for me.

But I heard discordant opinions in this thread's previous posts.

The sister is not the leader, the male MC always is. As for the 3:1 ratio, what exactly is wrong with a male mc being surrounded by girls? It's pretty based if you ask me. Maelle has an important role due to who she is (can't say more without going into spoilers), but it has nothing to do with any kind of feminist girlboss ****. Not sure what you mean by "witch story", but yeah Frenchoids are usually some of the most ****** ******* on the planet so I get your concern in that regard, I was concerned before launch because of that too

As for the discordant opinions, people are mad that there are ****** npc's in the prologue. I wish everyone was white too but let's be realistic here, no western dev is going to have the balls anymore to make a game with literally 100% white people, even if they WANTED to because they would get ******* crucified by gaming media. If making 10% of the nameless generic npc's in a half hour long portion of the game black is the extent of a games issues then I can deal with it. Nobody is gay, there's no quippy ******** in the writing, the men are not emasculated whatsoever, everyone important is white, and then to top all of that off the game itself is great.

Leftoids desperately want to be able to claim this game as woke because they've taken loss after loss lately (outside of KCD2), and god dammit they sure as **** don't get to claim this one

[Cloharp7]

The sister is not the leader, the male MC always is.

Reassuring. What about the other NPCs?

As for the 3:1 ratio, what exactly is wrong with a male mc being surrounded by girls? It's pretty based if you ask me.

The fact that the only games I found that promotes brotherhood and has 100% masculine values, without any kind of feminization and/or subversion of values, in the span of 10 years or so, has been Space Marine 2 and Battle Brothers. Two games, in 10 years.

And I am not against women as characters BTW, I just have not seen any other game promoting brotherhood as a normal thing for men, that should be respected and let be. Since the gaming industry doesn't give me what I want, I have been having a contrarian knee-jerk reaction to females in videogames for a few years. I am that petty, **** them.

Maelle has an important role due to who she is (can't say more without going into spoilers), but it has nothing to do with any kind of feminist girlboss ****.

Fair, I have not bought the game so I'll trust your word.

Not sure what you mean by "witch story"

Isn't it the premise of the game? Scary witch terrorizes brie cheese-eaters?

but yeah Frenchoids are usually some of the most ****** ******* on the planet so I get your concern in that regard, I was concerned before launch because of that too

A-*******-men to that.

As for the discordant opinions, people are mad that there are ****** npc's in the prologue. I wish everyone was white too but let's be realistic here, no western dev is going to have the balls anymore to make a game with literally 100% white people, even if they WANTED to because they would get ******* crucified by gaming media. If making 10% of the nameless generic npc's in a half hour long portion of the game black is the extent of a games issues then I can deal with it. Nobody is gay, there's no quippy ******** in the writing, the men are not emasculated whatsoever, everyone important is white, and then to top all of that off the game itself is great.

Still cannot get rid of my suspicions, but thank you for taking the time to mitigate them to a degree.

Leftoids desperately want to be able to claim this game as woke because they've taken loss after loss lately (outside of KCD2), and god dammit they sure as **** don't get to claim this one

I would argue that Monster Hunter Wilds is a woke game too because again of what I think is "feminist" (I.e. overwhelming majority of women compared to men, and all of them in a position of power), but I played only a couple of hours before refunding. Still, I share the sentiment that these allegedly "non-woke" games are actually "woke-lite", and the gaming industry is sneaking woke through the window after their cultish ideas being refused at the door.

It may be a cynical perspective, but that's what 10-15 years of gas lighting and dishonesty are the result of. I have nothing but trust issues for the gaming industry.

[Brother Chad]

@rusty_shackleford did you beat the game?

No.

---

I will post, without spoiler, that the protagonist is a bait-and-switch protagonist.
I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but I think it's ******** when games do this — especially when it's past the refund point for Steam, and the advertised protagonist is used in all the major marketing material.

When creating a protagonist the writer, developer, etc., have entered into an agreement with the person engaging with the material. By it being a fake protagonist, you pull the rug out from under them. I don't consider it to be interesting writing, but a violation of that agreement made.

I didn't really care for morose, anime-french Robert Pattinson with the oversized head and tiny body.

I also feel like this game goes for le huge emotional moments that don't really land because we've seen these tropes a million times before.

Still liking the game though. Somehow, even though I dislike the combat too.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

I want these people to ******* die painfully.

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[Cipher]

Then my following question would be. Is the game a misandrist piece of crap? The 3 to 1 female to men ratio in the party, the sister being the leader (which makes me wonder what are the gender roles for the other NPCs in the game), the whole premise of a "witch story" the femoids are usually so fond of and the fact French and feminist harpies/manginas go hand in hand, set several red flags for me.

But I heard discordant opinions in this thread's previous posts.

The sister is not the leader, the male MC always is. As for the 3:1 ratio, what exactly is wrong with a male mc being surrounded by girls? It's pretty based if you ask me. Maelle has an important role due to who she is (can't say more without going into spoilers), but it has nothing to do with any kind of feminist girlboss ****. Not sure what you mean by "witch story", but yeah Frenchoids are usually some of the most ****** ******* on the planet so I get your concern in that regard, I was concerned before launch because of that too

As for the discordant opinions, people are mad that there are ****** npc's in the prologue. I wish everyone was white too but let's be realistic here, no western dev is going to have the balls anymore to make a game with literally 100% white people, even if they WANTED to because they would get ******* crucified by gaming media. If making 10% of the nameless generic npc's in a half hour long portion of the game black is the extent of a games issues then I can deal with it. Nobody is gay, there's no quippy ******** in the writing, the men are not emasculated whatsoever, everyone important is white, and then to top all of that off the game itself is great.

Leftoids desperately want to be able to claim this game as woke because they've taken loss after loss lately (outside of KCD2), and god dammit they sure as **** don't get to claim this one

Gustave's sister is the political leader of the only remaining human settlement.

[psychic_dream]

I thought the people behind the Clair something expedition were competent white men. All I'm seeing here are low-test soys and holes.

[Cipher]

I thought the people behind the Clair something expedition were competent white men. All I'm seeing here are low-test soys and holes.

The lead writer is a woman.

[KOS-MOS]

I want these people to ******* die painfully.

I hate tourists with a passion

[psychic_dream]

I thought the people behind the Clair something expedition were competent white men. All I'm seeing here are low-test soys and holes.

The lead writer is a woman.

Well, that explains why the marketing for the game heavily emphasized "deep storytelling and narrative." At least the game is fun right?

[Valter]

In other news, someone's trying to get banned from nexusmods
Sciel untanned (lighter skin)
1 day? 2 days? Any bets? I'm going on 2

[rusty_shackleford]

At least the game is fun right?

It's not