Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

[Statesman]

Can you say ******** and ******* on twitter now? Maybe I will if that's the case

Yeah, Elon allows it unless you annoy him and/or remind him of his ***** son.

No you can't, you will get flagged as spam, possibly shadowbanned (I have been shadowbanned for 3 weeks) or you will be banned.

That explains it then. I don't spam it.

[GhostCow]

If you post the word ****** at all your post gets hidden and can't be interacted with, which is insane considering that Elon openly doesn't like them. This happened to me the other day

[Cipher]

Absolutely no woke content, no politics, no ideology. There is only one black Npc, and he’s an assimilated African man, completely fitting in Belle Époque Paris, there's some in the prologue crowds , nothing harmful. He dies early, and there are no USA-style black characters.

The characters? The main character is a 33-year-old white man with a beard, which in this day and age already feels amazing. You immediately sympathize with him. His motives are well written and he is not the usual isekai teenager.

The second character you meet is a cute ginger girl who’s a master at fencing. After the prologue, you’re introduced to a beautiful barefoot brunette Asian girl who uses magic. The girls are stunning, the complete opposite of what modern games have been pushing the past few years.

You can control any of them and explore freely. Their animations are very well done, especially the fencer, who is a personal favorite.

Everything feels like the complete opposite of an Ubisoft game. It looks great, the soundtrack is fantastic, and everything feels like it was crafted by someone who’s been playing video games for 40 years. There are secrets like in classic console games, hidden mechanisms that unlock rooms with small bonuses, some platformer elements , and no handholding at all.

Some will say I speak in hyperbole. Maybe I do, but I haven’t been this impressed by a game in a long, long time.

I see, I see. Thanks.

You sound like you make Youtube game reviews. Care to share a link for your channel?

https://www.youtube.com/@MortismalGaming

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Don't explain the joke!

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

In fact, going forward I'll consider any game that depicts a multiracial society and is not set in a modern western urban area to be woke by default.
There's an obvious ideology agenda behind this portrayal, whether they realize it or not.

That’s a bit of a stretch.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

It's definitely woke, it's also coomerbait so coomers think it's non-woke because their only criteria is COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM

There's a huge difference between putting cute and/or beautiful modest females in your game, and a game being coomerbait. Calling this game coomerbait is pretty absurd, actually

Calling this game woke is giving ******** and ******* a great and successful game as a win for their side, it's simply not ******* true at all. Wokeslop flops.

Not all Wokeslop flops ( KC 2, Monster Hunters Wilds, BG3) it appears to slight woke elements like having multiple cultural societies little explanation on why it’s like that.

I would say it’s a lot less blatant which is a 3 on the woke scale but certainly not woke free.

[Valter]

It's definitely woke, it's also coomerbait so coomers think it's non-woke because their only criteria is COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM

There's a huge difference between putting cute and/or beautiful modest females in your game, and a game being coomerbait. Calling this game coomerbait is pretty absurd, actually

Calling this game woke is giving ******** and ******* a great and successful game as a win for their side, it's simply not ******* true at all. Wokeslop flops.

Sorry brother. The women don't look like australian aboriginals and one of them does not cover her belly. You now have coom on your hands. :weeb: I don't make the rules

[ArcaneLurker]

Calling this game woke is giving ******** and ******* a great and successful game as a win for their side, it's simply not ******* true at all. Wokeslop flops.

Back to Twitter

Can you say ******** and ******* on twitter now? Maybe I will if that's the case

There was a short period where it was allowed, even saying ******. Then he introduced something which rewards **** engagement bait whilst shadowbanning random anons for naughty words.

Grok is also highly philosemitic, to the point of valuing a single Jew life over everyone else's life, but you can still press them in the ways Elon said was 'Freespeech' if only to point out how much ******** the Jordan Peterson assholes are spewing, but you'll still be put in spam & shadowbanned for mentioning **** too much-- IE: even linking a message from the person, themselves, saying they are Jewish, counts as spam.

[Element]

beautiful barefoot brunette Asian girl

the girls are stunning

Proofs?

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They don't look bad, but I keep thinking these are Daz3D assets

[Nico]

I think one's opinion of whether something is woke or not, very much depends of your level of tolerance for it, and that, IMHO, depends of for how long you have been aware of it.

If you're a "South Park" anti-woke, who became consciously aware of it in the last 2-3 years, then of course, this game is not woke.
If, like me, you've been low key aware of it for the last 15 years, with conscious awareness for the last 10, your tolerance has been grinded down to pretty much zero. (To me, the cut-off point was Mad Max being replaced in his own movie by some woman, in Fury Road. That was 2015).

So this game having blacks everywhere in the crowd, in what is supposed to be XIXth century fantasy Paris is enough. It might be my loss but my tolerance to woke **** has been slowly eroded to nothing.

Another thing : I watched some cutscenes and I can't help but notice that, as often, gender roles seem to be reversed.
After the massacre on the beach, the male main character is beaten, defeated, broken by the stress and loss. He lets himself be lead by his emotions. Like a woman.
By contrast, the asian woman is fine, she coddles him, forces him to go on and is laser-focused on the mission, against all odds. Like a man.

But this inversion of gender roles is so common now, nobody even bats an eye.

[Nemesis]

No you can't, you will get flagged as spam, possibly shadowbanned (I have been shadowbanned for 3 weeks) or you will be banned.

Isn't X supposed to be the last bastion of true free speech?

[Cipher]

I think one's opinion of whether something is woke or not, very much depends of your level of tolerance for it, and that, IMHO, depends of for how long you have been aware of it.

If you're a "South Park" anti-woke, who became consciously aware of it in the last 2-3 years, then of course, this game is not woke.
If, like me, you've been low key aware of it for the last 15 years, with conscious awareness for the last 10, you're tolerance has been grinded down to pretty much zero. (To me, the cut-off point was Mad Max being replaced in his own movie by some woman, in Fury Road. That was 2015).

So this game having blacks everywhere in the crowd, in what is supposed to be XIXth century fantasy Paris is enough. It might be my loss but my tolerance to woke **** has been slowly eroded to nothing.

Another thing : I watched some cutscenes and I can't help but notice that, as often, gender roles seems to be reversed.
After the massacre on the beach, the male main character is beaten, defeated, broken by the stress and loss. He lets himself be lead by his emotions. Like a woman.
By contrast, the asian woman is fine, she coddles him, forces him to go on and is laser-focused on the mission, against all odds. Like a man.

But this inversion of gender roles is so common now, nobody even bats an eye.

Also, Gustave, the man, is overwhelmed with emotions and wants to abandon the mission and save his surrogate daughter/little sister as he is "her guardian" and just take her back to safety. The asian woman wants to follow through the mission like a good soldier because a chance of saving everyone is more important than saving the girl or themselves.

His sister is the political leader of the survivors. There's a lot more stuff, but like you said, the overton window has moved so much that people that are just realizing that gaming has been taken over by ****** for more than a decade will tolerate almost anything unless its painfully blatant like Dustborn/Concord.

Some of those normies even claim that they "like inclusion" and that "inclusion" is not woke, only if its "forced inclusion" then it becomes woke. Most of the anti-woke grifters also spew that same line of thinking because they are grifting and want the shekels of the normie cattle.


If you are really interested in playing the game, just pirate it, Rusty shared the link to get it for free and then you can see for yourself without paying people that hate you.

[Mortmal]

In fact, going forward I'll consider any game that depicts a multiracial society and is not set in a modern western urban area to be woke by default.
There's an obvious ideology agenda behind this portrayal, whether they realize it or not.

It is a Belle Epoque inspired France, stretched out of a canvas and placed into a fantasy world. It is barely historical. Now, Paris was not that cosmopolitan at the time, but we did have a massive colonial empire, so seeing some Black characters, mostly in worker or servant roles, or among front-line soldiers, is much less shocking than usual.
This is very different from Musa from Mali appearing in 15th century Bohemia with no context, or from Henry in Kingdom Come 2 suddenly having a Jewish brother without any buildup, just to make gamers care a little more about that community, which obviously does not work.
There is no lecturing, no girlbossing. The only time an Asian character yells at you is when Gustave is sitting next to a pile of mangled corpses and is about to give up and shoot himself. That is hardly Bethesda-level storytelling.

[BannedForBeingSane]

I think that 'wokeness' was always a thing, since forever. It's just that it was more covert, less blatant, less on-the-nose and less smug about it.

I think that if we look at older films which we loved as kids and imagine them getting released today, as if they never existed in the past, we would call them woke.

I think that Ripley, if Aliens released today, would be considered a woke character and a girlboss, since all she needed to be able to take on an Alien hive and search for Newt was a five minute lesson from Hicks on how to press a trigger.

But back then we had Arnold and Sylvester do all that stuff, so watching a skinny woman take on alien monstrosities for once was a welcome and original surprise.

Now all we get are Ripleys who are written as completely unlikable assholes. At the end of the day, it's not so much the actions of the girlboss as it is her personality and her writing that makes her insufferable. If the character isn't relatable in any way, the woke factor will be less likely to accept. But since we see Ripley having nightmares and being scared shitless of going back to that terror, we are more likely to accept the wokeness and witness a female Rambo. I mean heck, the scene where she descends on the elevator and for a few minutes closes her eyes and tries to calm and compose herself is what makes her a more tolerable girlboss, but a girlboss nonetheless.

It's all in the execution.

[Cipher]

I think that 'wokeness' was always a thing, since forever. It's just that it was more covert, less blatant, less on-the-nose and less smug about it.

I think that if we look at older films which we loved as kids and imagine them getting released today, as if they never existed in the past, we would call them woke.

I think that Ripley, if Aliens released today, would be considered a woke character and a girlboss, since all she needed to be able to take on an Alien hive and search for Newt was a five minute lesson from Hicks on how to press a trigger.

But back then we had Arnold and Sylvester do all that stuff, so watching a skinny woman take on alien monstrosities for once was a welcome and original surprise.

Now all we get are Ripleys who are written as completely unlikable assholes. At the end of the day, it's not so much the actions of the girlboss as it is her personality and her writing that makes her insufferable. If the character isn't relatable in any way, the woke factor will be less likely to accept. But since we see Ripley having nightmares and being scared shitless of going back to that terror, we are more likely to accept the wokeness and witness a female Rambo. I mean heck, the scene where she descends on the elevator and for a few minutes closes her eyes and tries to calm and compose herself is what makes her a more tolerable girlboss, but a girlboss nonetheless.

It's all in the execution.

I am not a huge Alien fan, I've seen the movies but it was 2 decades ago. So, I may not be remembering correctly, so if I make a mistake here, I am happy to stand corrected, but the difference here is that the writers didn't felt the need to have Ripley squash the balls of every man she meets on screen to beat the audience over the head that she is "stronk and independent".

So no, I disagree that those movies would be considered woke. If I recall correctly, it was her mama bear instincts to protect Newt that made her fight the alien queen. Same with something like Sarah Connor, who was shell-shocked, traumatized and trained like hell just to be ready to protect her son because no one else could or would. And again, if I recall correctly, at no point we get a moment where he just trounces over the T-1000 until the very end and that's because she sneaks up on it with a shotgun. Arnie does all the heavy lifting throughout the entire movie, Sarah is a sidekick.

Take Catwoman helping Batman every once in a while or Irene Adler. That's the thing, femme fatales where either sidekicks either from the side of the heroes or the villains. And sure, occasionally you would get a Ripley, who is the main character. But even in that movie, you get someone like Vasquez, who essentially renounces her femininity to be able to be a soldier and was overly masculine. Women didn't want to do that back then and do not want that now, she was seen as a "freak", a crazy woman that wanted to do the men's work. I would say that 95% do not want to be like Vasquez.

That 5% exist IRL but should be that, extreme minorities, freaks, essentially IRL you have to be a crazy woman to try to compete with men in their field, specially in stuff like field work, such as firemen, policemen or soldiers. This has always been the reality until the "progressive women can do it all" mindset started to the detriment of firemen, policemen and soldiers across the country.

Because writers were allowed to be honest about who the product was directed towards, the man was the protagonist and the chick was either eye candy, a sidekick or both. This makes sense as this appeals to most men and that product was directed towards men. Compare Teela in the original He-Man cartoon with her troonified version in the Netflix grotesque fan fiction. Female fiction doesn't have girlbosses or Vasquez-style hyper masculine women, by the way. It has never had that and never will. Men that grew up with a single mom are the ones that fantasize over having a "dommy mommy" or whatever fetish that is and are the only one going crazy about a "stronk female character" that fights alongside the men.

I think you've all have seen that image, He-Man is the male power fantasy and Barbie was the female power fantasy. That's always been the case.

Was there woke **** in old media? Sure, but it was not as common as it wasn't celebrated and encouraged. Now, it's the other way around. They want you to accept wokeness and like I already said, most normie cattle won't even admit something is woke unless it beats them over the head like Dustborn/Concord. Just to put things into perspective, all the normie cattle that I've seen talk about BG3 do not even consider it woke.

Let that sink in. Normie cattle don't consider BG3 to be woke. Even a lot of so called "right wing chuds" on Youtube don't consider BG3, Nu God of War, Last of ***** or the Fallout tv show as woke.

[BannedForBeingSane]

I am not a huge Alien fan, I've seen the movies but it was 2 decades ago. So, I may not be remembering correctly, so if I make a mistake here, I am happy to stand corrected, but the difference here is that the writers didn't felt the need to have Ripley squash the balls of every man she meets on screen to beat the audience over the head that she is "stronk and independent".

She slams Burk on the wall as if he's a rubber doll and acts as if she could wipe the floor with him, which is a total girlboss moment. But, like I said, there are lots of other moments where she isn't doing that, so you are 'deceived' in not thinking of that as being 'woke'. Same as Sarah Connor who is capable of outsmarting, outfighting and outrunning an entire psycho ward of muscled guards. But she's not better than the T101, and that makes it ok to do that.

It's the same mentality of those 'right wing chuds' you mentioned who do not consider BG3 to be woke because there is no 'woman lecturing man' scene about how 'oppressed' they are and how 'men should shut up and listen' when the girlboss is speaking. So as long as you don't have those absolute cringe moments, the normie/somewhat anti-woke person can forgive the pronouns, and the type As and type Bs, and the 'swap your **** with a ****' character customization screen. You're basically doing the same thing.

Because I think that's how wokeness works. It's a subconscious negotiation of sorts. I will tell you "I've come to take your whole field" in order for you to negotiate with me and give me half in order to stop.

So I will make Dustborns and Veilguards and present them as the future so that you will negotiate and say 'Type As and Type Bs are fine but lets stop there'.

And just like that, you gave me an inch. And I'll use it to take a mile tomorrow.

[Cipher]

I am not a huge Alien fan, I've seen the movies but it was 2 decades ago. So, I may not be remembering correctly, so if I make a mistake here, I am happy to stand corrected, but the difference here is that the writers didn't felt the need to have Ripley squash the balls of every man she meets on screen to beat the audience over the head that she is "stronk and independent".

She slams Burk on the wall as if he's a rubber doll and acts as if she could wipe the floor with him, which is a total girlboss moment. But, like I said, there are lots of other moments where she isn't doing that, so you are 'deceived' in not thinking of that as being 'woke'. Same as Sarah Connor who is capable of outsmarting, outfighting and outrunning an entire psycho ward of muscled guards. But she's not better than the T101, and that makes it ok to do that.

It's the same mentality of those 'right wing chuds' you mentioned who do not consider BG3 to be woke because there is no 'woman lecturing man' scene about how 'oppressed' they are and how 'men should shut up and listen' when the girlboss is speaking. So as long as you don't have those absolute cringe moments, the normie/somewhat anti-woke person can forgive the pronouns, and the type As and type Bs, and the 'swap your **** with a ****' character customization screen. You're basically doing the same thing.

Because I think that's how wokeness works. It's a subconscious negotiation of sorts. I will tell you "I've come to take your whole field" in order for you to negotiate with me and give me half in order to stop.

So I will make Dustborns and Veilguards and present them as the future so that you will negotiate and say 'Type As and Type Bs are fine but lets stop there'.

And just like that, you gave me an inch. And I'll use it to take a mile tomorrow.

Do you think woke stuff is only feminine stuff or racial stuff as well? Because I see you are only mentioning feminist stuff, meaning "girlboss" ****.

[Vergil]

I ignored this thread because the game looked like western ugloid slop. Are there any attractive looking characters or is it (based on the images on steam) just full of ugly girlboss *****?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I ignored this thread because the game looked like western ugloid slop. Are there any attractive looking characters or is it (based on the images on steam) just full of ugly girlboss *****?

The women don't look deliberately ugly like in that Mass Effect andromeda meme but they aren't attractive.

[methoxetamine]

Let that sink in. Normie cattle don't consider BG3 to be woke. Even a lot of so called "right wing chuds" on Youtube don't consider BG3, Nu God of War, Last of ***** or the Fallout tv show as woke.

I consider all of that to be pozzed garbage, but I don't consider this game woke whatsoever

I ignored this thread because the game looked like western ugloid slop. Are there any attractive looking characters or is it (based on the images on steam) just full of ugly girlboss *****?

They are the most attracted characters in a western game in this decade at least, maybe even longer. If you're only into anime girls you might not like them, I like them a lot though. They are definitely not girlbosses, if anything it's a harem (male mc and 3 female party members, at least at the 15 hour mark)

[Statesman]

The Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Dev Team

I ignored this thread because the game looked like western ugloid slop. Are there any attractive looking characters or is it (based on the images on steam) just full of ugly girlboss *****?

They are the most attracted characters in a western game in this decade at least, maybe even longer. If you're only into anime girls you might not like them, I like them a lot though. They are definitely not girlbosses, if anything it's a harem (male mc and 3 female party members, at least at the 15 hour mark)

Don't bother, there aren't enough attractive males for Vergil.

[BannedForBeingSane]

Do you think woke stuff is only feminine stuff or racial stuff as well? Because I see you are only mentioning feminist stuff, meaning "girlboss" ****.

IMO, anything whose only purpose is to emasculate/demonize the straight white male can be safely categorized as 'woke'.

But that's not the argument.

What I was arguing was the fact that just as you are willing to handwave Sarah Connor whooping the asses of an entire group of psyche ward guardsmen, or Ellen Ripley taking on an entire nest of xenomorphs which were able to eliminate an entire batallion of space marines, so do the right wing chuds are willing to handwave Type A and Type B in a char creation screen.

My point is that each of us have their own red lines of woke, and their own woke puddle which are willing to tip toe in and tolerate in order to not deprive themselves of an otherwise good game/show/movie/comic/book.

For example, I hate wokeness, but I am not going to boycott Elden Ring or Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion Remastered simply because they have Type A / Type B in the char creation screen and are otherwise woke-free.

Other people, however, are willing to boycott those games for that very reason.

[rusty_shackleford]

In fact, going forward I'll consider any game that depicts a multiracial society and is not set in a modern western urban area to be woke by default.
There's an obvious ideology agenda behind this portrayal, whether they realize it or not.

It is a Belle Epoque inspired France, stretched out of a canvas and placed into a fantasy world. It is barely historical. Now, Paris was not that cosmopolitan at the time, but we did have a massive colonial empire, so seeing some Black characters, mostly in worker or servant roles, or among front-line soldiers, is much less shocking than usual.
This is very different from Musa from Mali appearing in 15th century Bohemia with no context, or from Henry in Kingdom Come 2 suddenly having a Jewish brother without any buildup, just to make gamers care a little more about that community, which obviously does not work.
There is no lecturing, no girlbossing. The only time an Asian character yells at you is when Gustave is sitting next to a pile of mangled corpses and is about to give up and shoot himself. That is hardly Bethesda-level storytelling.

There were barely any blacks in France in the 19th century, low hundreds across the entire country. And certainly not multiple black male white female couples just standing around Paris with their multiracial children.

This is all over the intro area:

If you can find data to the contrary that would suggest a higher black population, I'd love to read it. To me, this is just purposeful rewriting of Fantasy France to reflect what they wish history was like due to their liberal worldview. i.e., woke.

[ArcaneLurker]

Reminder: Germans were right.

Weimar race mixing promotion.jpeg

German poster against France.jpg

propaganda poster future America.jpeg

[Nico]

Reminder: Germans were right.

Germans were wrong.

Their propaganda assumed blacks would be clean, well dressed and well behaved. How silly.

[rusty_shackleford]

Drifting a bit off-topic with the german stuff, feel free to make a new thread to discuss it. Try to stay on-topic relevant to the game itself. :weeb:

[Oyster Sauce]

Reminder that right under the Eiffel Tower is a gigantic mural depicting an interracial black/white orgy.

[ArcaneLurker]

Reminder: Germans were right.

Germans were wrong.

Their propaganda assumed blacks would be clean, well dressed and well behaved. How silly.

Okay, correct. Like Enoch Powell, they grossly understated the actual outcome.
They're actually depicting the civnat ideal here, and it's still awful.
This is what people who believe other races can assimilate culturally are fighting for.
They would kill all White Nationalists just to be replaced like the scenario above, as long as they genuinely had the same 'values' (whatever that ******* means).

Drifting a bit off-topic with the german stuff, feel free to make a new thread to discuss it. Try to stay on-topic relevant to the game itself. :weeb:

It was already offtopic, I'm just doing my part by responding to points already raised :weeb:

[RayoSombrio]

The only thing blatantly woke is the excess black population in the game. But fortunately, we don't have a case of an emasculated white male or insufferable female characters here.

Probably, someone can fix the blacks with a mod....

[NezahualDoomer]

No you can't, you will get flagged as spam, possibly shadowbanned (I have been shadowbanned for 3 weeks) or you will be banned.

Isn't X supposed to be the last bastion of true free speech?

Nah, how could it be if it's owner is a Jew and X is managed by Indians.

[Statesman]

In fact, going forward I'll consider any game that depicts a multiracial society and is not set in a modern western urban area to be woke by default.
There's an obvious ideology agenda behind this portrayal, whether they realize it or not.

It is a Belle Epoque inspired France, stretched out of a canvas and placed into a fantasy world. It is barely historical. Now, Paris was not that cosmopolitan at the time, but we did have a massive colonial empire, so seeing some Black characters, mostly in worker or servant roles, or among front-line soldiers, is much less shocking than usual.
This is very different from Musa from Mali appearing in 15th century Bohemia with no context, or from Henry in Kingdom Come 2 suddenly having a Jewish brother without any buildup, just to make gamers care a little more about that community, which obviously does not work.
There is no lecturing, no girlbossing. The only time an Asian character yells at you is when Gustave is sitting next to a pile of mangled corpses and is about to give up and shoot himself. That is hardly Bethesda-level storytelling.

There were barely any blacks in France in the 19th century, low hundreds across the entire country. And certainly not multiple black male white female couples just standing around Paris with their multiracial children.

This is all over the intro area:

If you can find data to the contrary that would suggest a higher black population, I'd love to read it. To me, this is just purposeful rewriting of Fantasy France to reflect what they wish history was like due to their liberal worldview. i.e., woke.

There were apparently between 2,000-3,000 frenchmen of color registered as living in Paris during 1777-1790, so it could be easily surmised the numbers would only grow a century later with the influx from the colonies and the repeal of Louis XVI's anti-colored decree.

I have no idea if they went full modern DEIversified Paris with the quantities shown in-game, but claiming there were low hundreds in France during the 19th century is a bit silly for any relevant colonial power in that era.