Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[Vergil]

Moral of the story rape everyone in sight and leave nothing but a trail of ******* poop

[psychic_dream]

I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

They also oftentimes included sociopolitical messaging about how racism is Le bad. However, to my humble knowledge, they weren't overtly preachy about it, unlike how many in the progressive sphere tackle such subjects today. This is a key difference. Normal people didn't mind subtle Marxist themes in media as long as they weren't too in-your-face.

I'm actually not trying to be mean with this but how young are you?

24. why do you ask?

You seem to be out of the loop on many topics in the gaming industry that should be well known old news by now.

I haven't kept up with modern gaming since the dumpster fire that is Cyberpunk 2077 was released. I used to stay updated, but honestly, the gaming culture now feels like misery and hate porn. I've focused more on fulfilling activities like going to the gym and fishing. I still enjoy some good ol' Jap shmups and CSG, I just don’t have the energy to keep up when dissatisfaction and disappoinment feel like the norm now. Glad that many useless diversity hires have been weeded out, though.

[Vergil]

I haven't kept up with modern gaming since the dumpster fire that is Cyberpunk 2077 was released. I used to stay updated

You've asked about Kingdoms of Amalur and Bioware being woke which are 10+ year old developments.

[UltraFan123]

Normal people didn't mind subtle Marxist themes in media as long as they weren't too in-your-face.

This is also the case with pretty much any type of ideology; as long as it doesn’t feel forced in whatever form of media it is, the average normie doesn't cares that much.

[Vergil]

the average normie doesn't cares that much.

This is why they are stupid cattle who should be oppressed btw

[logincrash]

I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

They also oftentimes included sociopolitical messaging about how racism is Le bad. However, to my humble knowledge, they weren't overtly preachy about it, unlike how many in the progressive sphere tackle such subjects today. This is a key difference. Normal people didn't mind subtle Marxist themes in media as long as they weren't too in-your-face.

*****, have you not played KotOR from 2003 with Le Evil Racists everywhere on the starter planet? They were overtly preachy about it. It's just gotten much worse since then.

[Vergil]

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

They also oftentimes included sociopolitical messaging about how racism is Le bad. However, to my humble knowledge, they weren't overtly preachy about it, unlike how many in the progressive sphere tackle such subjects today. This is a key difference. Normal people didn't mind subtle Marxist themes in media as long as they weren't too in-your-face.

*****, have you not played KotOR from 2003 with Le Evil Racists everywhere on the starter planet? They were overtly preachy about it. It's just gotten much worse since then.

Don't forget it added the first official **** character in Star Wars media

[psychic_dream]

I haven't kept up with modern gaming since the dumpster fire that is Cyberpunk 2077 was released. I used to stay updated

You've asked about Kingdoms of Amalur and Bioware being woke which are 10+ year old developments.

>I don't care what anyone says; in my bitter old man mind, video games are still toys meant to be sold to testosterone fueled 12-year-old boys. And Skyrim was released like a month ago!

In all seriousness, though, I don’t pay much attention to video game drama anymore, I just remembered Kingdoms of Amalur was a thing and my brother’s friends were really excited about since RPGs were scarce in the early 2010s. These days, I frequent /vr/ to discuss vidya, as it’s one of the few places on the internet not overrun by indians, low-effort posts from underage kids, and current geopolitical drama . As for BioWare, I’ve only played Jade Empire, and something always felt off about it, though I couldn’t pinpoint what. The fact that you can romance two girls at once doesn’t help either

[Vergil]

>I don't care what anyone says; in my bitter old man mind, video games are still toys meant to be sold to testosterone fueled 12-year-old boys. And Skyrim was released like a month ago!

That's not what I'm saying at all. However you say things like

I don’t pay much attention to video game drama anymore

As if the reason you don't know about this stuff is because you checked out of gaming news but this is all old stuff. It's like saying you don't know who George Bush is because you checked out of politics after the 2016 election.

[psychic_dream]

>I don't care what anyone says; in my bitter old man mind, video games are still toys meant to be sold to testosterone fueled 12-year-old boys. And Skyrim was released like a month ago!

That's not what I'm saying at all. However you say things like

I don’t pay much attention to video game drama anymore

As if the reason you don't know about this stuff is because you checked out of gaming news but this is all old stuff. It's like saying you don't know who George Bush is because you checked out of politics after the 2016 election.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not pretending to be out of touch with gaming culture. Cyberpunk 2077 was such a big deal that even normies who buy consoles to play sports shovelware have Heard about its disaster. It was the point when people stopped blindly pre-ordering based on past games or developer reputation. I don’t follow every bit of gaming drama, but I hear about it from my co-workers because it’s hard to miss. I just don’t bother getting caught up in all the noise anymore.

[Vergil]

>I don't care what anyone says; in my bitter old man mind, video games are still toys meant to be sold to testosterone fueled 12-year-old boys. And Skyrim was released like a month ago!

That's not what I'm saying at all. However you say things like

I don’t pay much attention to video game drama anymore

As if the reason you don't know about this stuff is because you checked out of gaming news but this is all old stuff. It's like saying you don't know who George Bush is because you checked out of politics after the 2016 election.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not pretending to be out of touch with gaming culture. Cyberpunk 2077 was such a big deal that even normies who buy consoles to play sports shovelware have Heard about its disaster. It was the point when people stopped blindly pre-ordering based on past games or developer reputation. I don’t follow every bit of gaming drama, but I hear about it from my co-workers because it’s hard to miss. I just don’t bother getting caught up in all the noise anymore.

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a pizza recipe.

[psychic_dream]

That's not what I'm saying at all. However you say things like

As if the reason you don't know about this stuff is because you checked out of gaming news but this is all old stuff. It's like saying you don't know who George Bush is because you checked out of politics after the 2016 election.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not pretending to be out of touch with gaming culture. Cyberpunk 2077 was such a big deal that even normies who buy consoles to play sports shovelware have Heard about its disaster. It was the point when people stopped blindly pre-ordering based on past games or developer reputation. I don’t follow every bit of gaming drama, but I hear about it from my co-workers because it’s hard to miss. I just don’t bother getting caught up in all the noise anymore.

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a pizza recipe.

Never thought of you as a clever master-baiter. Well done.

[PixiGreen]

I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

[psychic_dream]

I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

It's the same **** thing. "I'm not gay, guys! I may occasionally rim the anuses of twinks , but that doesn't mean I'm gay. I'm unapologetically straight through and through!" This is how you sound.

[ThulsaDoomer]

I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

That's what annoys me the most about Origins, is that the bisexual characters don't need to exist. Leliana should just have been hetero, with that Marjolaine being an exception given she virtually groomed Leliana into being a *****. It's one of the rare instances I've seen in a game where a woman tries to repent before God (the Maker). Sadly, Bioware are progressives, and desired nothing more than to appease Tumblr. Zevran, especially given his background, is just a hetero ladies man. But, since they got David Gayder to write him, Gayder had to make him bisexual for whatever reason. I always killed Zevran, as he's just an annoying weasel reflective of the subhuman that wrote him.

Bisexual is a cope, and these are just gay characters that are in denial of their corrupted souls. Although, as stated, Leliana sought redemption, which you can reinforce in the game to their credit. Remember that Veilguard removed the Maker, or God, from the setting, in case anyone wondered where the company stood ideologically.

Still, I'd say DA:O and ME1 are the last few games Bioware was not inserting full blown ideological nonsense. Both are still woke, quite badly in fact, but offer a good experience.

[PixiGreen]

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

It's the same **** thing. "I'm not gay, guys! I may occasionally rim the anuses of twinks , but that doesn't mean I'm gay. I'm unapologetically straight through and through!" This is how you sound.

Why me? Bioware. I am simply stating the fact. The first gay (lesbian) character in Bioware games was Juhani in KOTOR. Then it was pseudo-bi for quite a while or (Leliana and Zevran) true bi.
And yes, initially there was a difference. At first, they did not even use "bi" definition; it was "a double romance to save budget". If your protagonist was a woman, you would not even know some characters can be gay (like Anders or Fenris). The references were cut off in this case.

I understand what you mean and yes, what does it matter - bi or gay, but technically there is a difference in open presentation.

[Roguey]

Sorry to revive this thread, but it just came to mind that I read a post in a /v/ thread about Origins. Anon mentioned that BioWare, around 2009, hired a woman who was active on their official forum. And guess what she was hired for? Writing vile and degenerate gay male Shepard smut novels. I guess they were always at the forefront of promoting wokeism, which has become more evident in recent years.

I was a regular reader of the BSN forums back then and I do not recall this, I believe you're being taken for a ride.

[logincrash]

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

Inquisition came out when? In 2014-2015? Mass Effect 3 (2012) already had Steve with his unavoidable "My husband is dead!" dialogue.

Leliana should just have been hetero, with that Marjolaine being an exception given she virtually groomed Leliana into being a *****. It's one of the rare instances I've seen in a game where a woman tries to repent before God (the Maker).

Zevran, especially given his background, is just a hetero ladies man. But, since they got Patrick Weekes to write him, Weekes had to make him bisexual or rather non-binary as a self insert.

Both Leliana and Zevran are straight but practice homosex for the same reason. They were taught to use sexuality to seduce their targets.
Zevran says outright that he prefers women and him being non-binary was never once even alluded to, nevermind confirmed.

[ThulsaDoomer]

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

Inquisition came out when? In 2014-2015? Mass Effect 3 (2012) already had Steve with his unavoidable "My husband is dead!" dialogue.

Leliana should just have been hetero, with that Marjolaine being an exception given she virtually groomed Leliana into being a *****. It's one of the rare instances I've seen in a game where a woman tries to repent before God (the Maker).

Zevran, especially given his background, is just a hetero ladies man. But, since they got Patrick Weekes to write him, Weekes had to make him bisexual or rather non-binary as a self insert.

Both Leliana and Zevran are straight but practice homosex for the same reason. They were taught to use sexuality to seduce their targets.
Zevran says outright that he prefers women and him being non-binary was never once even alluded to, nevermind confirmed.

I got mixed up, it was David Gayder who wrote Zevran. The guy who went on to claim that romancing a dwarf woman was akin to being a pedophile, among many other ******** statements. I've no doubt Zevran is a sexual write up of his, because he's certainly not that interesting or worthwhile of a character. The game would have not suffered at all if he didn't exist. The non-binary thing is Patrick Weekes. Too many ******* in Bioware's writing team honestly, it's hard to keep track of them. My bad there.

[Tangerine]

they've been doing this since the early 00s if not the 90s. BG2 popularized romances, KOTOR had a same-sex romantic relationship, DAO had an openly gay party member, etc.

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

It's the same **** thing. "I'm not gay, guys! I may occasionally rim the anuses of twinks , but that doesn't mean I'm gay. I'm unapologetically straight through and through!" This is how you sound.

The homos in media always wanted to have open faggotry everywhere, but back then they knew they couldn't do it all at once. They took it a step at a time across every kind of media.

"Lesbians are hot, right? It's two women!"
"Bi women are hot because it's two women like lesbians you can have a threesome with."
"If you can accept lesbians and bi women, you should accept gay men, it's only fair."
"Bisexual men are a thing, you're probably one too because according to the Kinsey scale nobody is perfectly straight."

This is where @Vergil's comment about your age is relevant. By the time you got to middle school, the previous steps had been done and they were now working on ******. You just weren't around when the earlier cultural pushes were done. It's one thing to read about it, it's another to have lived through it to understand how pervasive it was. They've been pushing this for more than half a century, so I'm not going to knock you for your age when it predates a lot of us.

[PixiGreen]

Not gay, bi. "B" in the alphabet soup is for a reason, and the first fully undeniably gay character in DA is Dorian in Inquisition. Until that time they were covering their asses with "it's only a fair option and does not affect your gameplay".

It's the same **** thing. "I'm not gay, guys! I may occasionally rim the anuses of twinks , but that doesn't mean I'm gay. I'm unapologetically straight through and through!" This is how you sound.

The homos in media always wanted to have open faggotry everywhere, but back then they knew they couldn't do it all at once. They took it a step at a time across every kind of media.

"Lesbians are hot, right? It's two women!"
"Bi women are hot because it's two women like lesbians you can have a threesome with them."
"If you can accept lesbians and bi women, you should accept gay men, it's only fair."
"Bisexual men are a thing, you're probably one too because according to the Kinsey scale nobody is perfectly straight."

This is where @Vergil's comment about your age is relevant. By the time you got to middle school, the previous steps had been done and they were now working on ******. You just weren't around when the earlier cultural pushes were done. It's one thing to read about it, it's another to have lived through it to understand how pervasive it was. They've been pushing this for more than half a century, so I'm not going to knock you for your age when it predates a lot of us.

To be honest, barring complete removal of alphabet stuff from the games (is it even possible at this point?) I am still advocating for an option for romances at character creation level. Something like "no romance/straight/gay/everyone" which works like "Better romance" mod for BG3. And no, "do not include romances in the games" is a bad option because then you have gay/***** NPCs everywhere. The mafia is strongly against it (limiting exposure?), which should be the reason enough to introduce such option.

[LemonDemonGirl]

As for BioWare, I’ve only played Jade Empire, and something always felt off about it, though I couldn’t pinpoint what. The fact that you can romance two girls at once doesn’t help either

Man am I glad that never got a sequel

[rusty_shackleford]

One of the top mods for Veilguard is a mod to remove facial hair from female characters
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonagethev ... /mods/1142
Stolen from vergil

[fkirenicus]

One of the top mods for Veilguard is a mod to remove facial hair from female characters
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonagethev ... /mods/1142
Stolen from vergil

But but but... isn't this TRANSPHOBIC? Tbh I find it quite amazing that Nexus haven't taken it down... They're mad enough to do so.

[Vergil]

It's like they got all the top minds in the field to generate the perfect aesthetic to look to opposite of what Dragon Age should look like

This looks like an enemy in a 343 Halo game

[Tag365]

And it also looks like someone tried to graft Minecraft diamonds onto the armor but didn't have enough to cover the whole area.

[psychic_dream]

I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but what exactly went wrong with Veilguard? They threw over $250 million at it, yet early gameplay footage showed a completely different vision before everything got scrapped and reworked over and over. By the time anything solid was finally revealed, people were laughing at it and immediately doubting its direction—even the very audience it was made for.

From what I saw in the DA:V thread, there was a full on meltdown over the pants on head ******** decisions made on both the gameplay and story sides. People felt completely let down and gave up hope that the series would ever return to its roots—not that Dragon Age was ever a fully solid series, as Origins was the only one that seemed to get it right, and everything after that has been questionable at best.

So where did BioWare mess it all up? And do you think they can fix their reputation with Mass Effect 5?

[rusty_shackleford]

I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but what exactly went wrong with Veilguard? They threw over $250 million at it, yet early gameplay footage showed a completely different vision before everything got scrapped and reworked over and over. By the time anything solid was finally revealed, people were laughing at it and immediately doubting its direction—even the very audience it was made for.

From what I saw in the DA:V thread, there was a full on meltdown over the pants on head ******** decisions made on both the gameplay and story sides. People felt completely let down and gave up hope that the series would ever return to its roots—not that Dragon Age was ever a fully solid series, as Origins was the only one that seemed to get it right, and everything after that has been questionable at best.

So where did BioWare mess it all up? And do you think they can fix their reputation with Mass Effect 5?

made by people who hate games, gamers, and dragon age

[methoxetamine]

I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but what exactly went wrong with Veilguard? They threw over $250 million at it, yet early gameplay footage showed a completely different vision before everything got scrapped and reworked over and over. By the time anything solid was finally revealed, people were laughing at it and immediately doubting its direction—even the very audience it was made for.

From what I saw in the DA:V thread, there was a full on meltdown over the pants on head ******** decisions made on both the gameplay and story sides. People felt completely let down and gave up hope that the series would ever return to its roots—not that Dragon Age was ever a fully solid series, as Origins was the only one that seemed to get it right, and everything after that has been questionable at best.

So where did BioWare mess it all up? And do you think they can fix their reputation with Mass Effect 5?

My understanding is that it was in dev hell for quite some time, then eventually they hired on the ****** director Mr. Busche, who then changed the games title and managed to get the game launched in the sorry state it ended up in. As for whether or not they can fix their reputation with ME5... LOL, no chance. That studio is ******* cooked

[Valter]

I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but what exactly went wrong with Veilguard? They threw over $250 million at it, yet early gameplay footage showed a completely different vision before everything got scrapped and reworked over and over. By the time anything solid was finally revealed, people were laughing at it and immediately doubting its direction—even the very audience it was made for.

From what I saw in the DA:V thread, there was a full on meltdown over the pants on head ******** decisions made on both the gameplay and story sides. People felt completely let down and gave up hope that the series would ever return to its roots—not that Dragon Age was ever a fully solid series, as Origins was the only one that seemed to get it right, and everything after that has been questionable at best.

So where did BioWare mess it all up? And do you think they can fix their reputation with Mass Effect 5?

There's two types of creatives game devs. Those who passionately want the players to bask in and enjoy the experience they crafted, and those who just want to bring their fanfics to life (these ones actually just want to move to Hollywood). Most studios are a somewhat balanced mix of both types, but Bioware is completely overrun with people high on their own farts.