Wizards & Warriors

[Humbaba]

Thread for the most generically titled and perhaps most forgotten blobber that ever existed.

Seems ok so far. Very bold decision to have naked characters actually be naked. Yes, there's nudity.

I hope grinding for money won't be too much of a factor, because you need money to join guilds and you need to join guilds if you wanna get access to better classes.

[Emphyrio]

I own this game and played it for a bit, but I didn't understand it at all and it wasn't fun.

[Humbaba]

This game feels like it was made by Russians.

[General Reign]

I just think of the NES game with the same title and get confused.

[Tweed]

I bought it new, but it ran like **** on my ancient computer so I didn't get very far, but it seems oldschool, so oldschool that you can do the old "make a bunch of characters and steal their money" trick.

Christian Coder did some mod work for it, no idea if it's any gud.

[Humbaba]

So the combat actually isn't turn based at all and can be played like a realtime blobber. Time only moves when you move or act but you can dodge ranged attacks as much as you want. I just cheesed the fart spirits at the "Toadem" pole (we need a Chonkem pole) that way, just dodged the fart spells and shot back arrows and and knives until they all died.

[Humbaba]

Went through the crypt dungeon. It was fine.

[Humbaba]

Right, so turns out everything around the starting town is the tutorial area. The area around Ishad Nha has a severe difficulty spike. Not to say that I'm ever at risk of dying when fighting normal mobs but there's these things called Amazoni Mantraps that can just TPK you with one attack and they seemingly freeroam across the entire area. Also there's a dragon.

If you wanna be a monk, you have to be naked for 2 days. I want my female priest to be a monk. She's naked now and I have to stare at her early 3d tiddies for several hours of gameplay now. Bradley did that on purpose.

[Ratcatcher]

Yah I completed this ages ago. I distinctly 'member the pain of trying to find a way to change my Elephant into some advanced, bishop-like class. I also remember the trap disarming and lockpicking thing was actually interesting, once you got the hang of it. Iirc, I did trial and errors like in a few other titles, there are places you def shouldn't be but that are accessible to you. I'd say don't go there if you have other avenues yet because the game has a thing for opening up to you while you still need to get around the basics.

Anything else I can't rly help much. Once your group has everything covered, it isn't so hard, getting all the tools/classes/trainers was a nightmare tho.

[Humbaba]

I also remember the trap disarming and lockpicking thing was actually interesting, once you got the hang of it.

The lockpicking is just hoping your guy opens the thing before the timer runs out.

[Ratcatcher]

No, there's a rhyme and reason to it, you can click on the various gears and get different results. It's literally been decades tho and maybe I'm confusing the euphory I felt for getting the hang of it with actual fun.
Tbh I'm not particularly fond of W&W, I'd give it a 6/10 at best and just because it came on the tail end of the life of those kind of cRPGs. It was literally play this or nothing, for many years.

[Humbaba]

No, there's a rhyme and reason to it, you can click on the various gears and get different results.

You're misremembering. Lockpicking in this game doesn't work that way, you literally just wait and hope your character manages to open it. Clicking on the gears does nothing and they only serve to visualise your progress. The only interactivity you get is aborting the process when you think you're gonna fail.

[Emphyrio]

Right, so turns out everything around the starting town is the tutorial area. The area around Ishad Nha has a severe difficulty spike. Not to say that I'm ever at risk of dying when fighting normal mobs but there's these things called Amazoni Mantraps that can just TPK you with one attack and they seemingly freeroam across the entire area. Also there's a dragon.

If you wanna be a monk, you have to be naked for 2 days. I want my female priest to be a monk. She's naked now and I have to stare at her early 3d tiddies for several hours of gameplay now. Bradley did that on purpose.

This game sounds completly different from the Wizards and Warriors I played. Are we talking about the very boring 4x game where there are like 40 different resources and nothing happens turn after turn?

[rusty_shackleford]

This game sounds completly different from the Wizards and Warriors I played. Are we talking about the very boring 4x game where there are like 40 different resources and nothing happens turn after turn?

We're talking about the wizardry 8 prototype that Brenda Romero stole by having sex with D.W. Bradley.

[Emphyrio]

I guess I was thinking of Wizards and Warlords

[Humbaba]

Serpent Temple is ******* hueg what the hell.

[Humbaba]

I realised that I can just cheese the Mantraps from afar with spells and farm them for massive EXP. Nice.

Finally everyone's the class they're supposed to be now. I think the idea of having to complete quests in order to get a prestige class is cool but the quests could be a bit better. Also, when you switch to Bard you should at least get 1 point in music because as it stands you can't play any instruments at level 1.

I tried modding the soundtrack by replacing the mp3 files with custom songs but that didn't work for some reason. I copied the exact filenames and checked that the files weren't too large. There go my dreams of listening to penis music (10 hours perfect loop) while playing.

[rusty_shackleford]

I tried modding the soundtrack by replacing the mp3 files with custom songs but that didn't work for some reason. I copied the exact filenames and checked that the files weren't too large. There go my dreams of listening to penis music (10 hours perfect loop) while playing.

Games of this era frequently provided both midi & non-midi music, it may be playing the midi music by default?

[Humbaba]

Good news everyone, the game has been getting better. I Am A Surgeon Castle was an actually good dungeon and I left it with literally $10'000+ so I finally had the disposable income to buy heckin awesome gear for my party, especially now that I no longer have to fork over thousands of dollarydoos for class progression.

The dungeon featured yet anudda evil sexy seductress, a vampire this time. Gotta hand it to Bradley, he just inserts his fetishes into his games and doesn't even give a ****. Also props to the VA, you just can't teach moaning into a microphone. If she was born a couple decades later, she'd be making millions with ASMR.

Having said that, the game really drags its feet and it's not an overly positive sign that you only encounter the first good dungeon about 20 hours in, especially when the preceding dungeons ranged from ok to trash. Those elite classes don't feel that powerful either, at least compared to the Wizardries. Then again, Bard was borderline OP and so was Kirijutsu by the endgame. Speaking of which, neither my Samurai nor my Ninja can level Deathstrike. The manual is telling fake news.

Games of this era frequently provided both midi & non-midi music, it may be playing the midi music by default?

Maybe, all I know is that the game doesn't play the tracks I used to replace the defaults. Might experiment a little more.

[Ranselknulf]

I remember this game, it was an arcade style "rpg" game.

I wouldn't call it a blobber though.

[Humbaba]

But what is it then?

[Ranselknulf]

But what is it then?

I think I found the game ur talking about. I'd suggest linking to the games page or game download on GoG or such in the original post.

This is the game ur talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_& ... ideo_game)

This is the Wizards and Warriors game most people have probably played or are familiar with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_&_Warriors

The 2000 W&W game might be a blobber, idk, i never played it.

[Tweed]

Bradley W&W is a blobber, original had some kind of goofy name like Come Devils, Come Darkness and I think they wanted some kind of multiplayer aspect that got axed.

Rare W&W is a platformer for the NES, hard game, gud game. The sequel, Ironsword is gudder and it comes with a fold out poster of Fabio who was also on the cover of the box. The third game Vision of Power is also p.gud.

[Humbaba]

[dropshadow=yellow]Why would I be talking about an NES platformer in the rpg section?[/dropshadow]

[Tweed]

The same reason you use yellow font, you're gay.

[Suissant]

I played it a long time ago and yeah, it's a good blobber. It''s Bradley's M&M 6.

[Ranselknulf]

Disagreeing without a counter-point is pretty low-brow.

It's a major reason why I lean-against buttons and gif-reactions.

The most inclined discussions occur when people use their words to describe their positions instead of innuendo and cliches.

The original codex only had a brofist button, and it was rarely used. That's why the discussions were so good there imo, and ofc the temporal component (new **** gonna new ***).

[Tweed]

It's been on my list, but I'm determined to play through Wiz 6-8 first. At this point I need to replay Wiz 1-3, never did finish 3.

Or 4 for that matter.

[Humbaba]

It's been on my list, but I'm determined to play through Wiz 6-8 first.

[dropshadow=yellow]What's keeping you?



-Humbaba[/dropshadow]

[Humbaba]

[dropshadow=yellow]Think I'll abandon the playthrough. The jungle lilies in the boogre caves really tipped the scales. Up until this point, the game was a decidedly average experience with uninteresting combat and dungeons that were quite standard but that ******* place insists on including a quasi boss fight with 4 enemies with fuckhueg HP pools and party wide highly damaging attacks to which there is literally - and I am not exaggerating - NO counterplay whatsoever. At that point, I realised that the game is nowhere near good enough for me to invest time to somehow eek out a win over an encounter that unfair and unfun.

I conclude: Wizards & Warriors is an unremarkable dud. I used to think it was about as good as Bradley's Wiz6 and 7 but upon reflection that's not true. W&W has seriously limited combat, boring classes whose power was significantly nerfed compared to either of the Wizardries, lacklustre progression and boring quests. The story is **** of course. The dungeons are fine but the moment to moment gameplay doesn't do it for me. The addition of ******** enemies seals the deal.

Sirtech was better off without Bradley and he was holding back the Wizardry series. Anyone who prefers this to Wiz8 is insane.

-Humbaba[/dropshadow]