No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[rusty_shackleford]

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:

I came here to critique the whitewashing of the Ilmateri. That "dignify" thing, at least, is an optional submod and can be wholly ignored.

But if this is the hill you wanna die upon...





Remember kids, one of these changes is totally NOT like the others!

It's not like the others, she's a noble woman dressed like a *****. Context matters, yes. If you'll take the time to read, the foreign lady was left alone as her dress was assumed to be part of her culture.

[rusty_shackleford]

Good post rusty

1. I'm tired of seeing barely clothed whores.
2. Behaving in a dignified manner is more attractive than acting like an african woman on a national geographic special.

[orinEsque]

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:

I came here to critique the whitewashing of the Ilmateri. That "dignify" thing, at least, is an optional submod and can be wholly ignored.

But if this is the hill you wanna die upon...





Remember kids, one of these changes is totally NOT like the others!

Vanilla BG3 rich dresses are as lore unfriendly as *******. Just because you wanna fap to it doesn't make it lore friendly all of a sudden. Also every example you gave are playable characters, not random NPCs that are there to feed into the environment and timeline of the game. Having nobles dress like whores is a modern concept... so this again:


No Alphabets and Dignify are both optional mods. If you don't like them: don't install them.

[Hyborian]

**** whoever is responsible for that re-write. Some gay american, for sure.

Almost certainly the person responsible for rewriting the main storyline, baudelaire. Especially considering it's also related to romance, which baudelaire was also in charge of.
anti-americans copin' again

Baudelaire is spiritually american.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

**** whoever is responsible for that re-write. Some gay american, for sure.

Almost certainly the person responsible for rewriting the main storyline, baudelaire. Especially considering it's also related to romance, which baudelaire was also in charge of.
anti-americans copin' again

Im sorry to say this, but in modern day the most american thing that person can do is to become *****.

[Magick]

I don't think covering up CERTAIN characters specifically for immersion, is the same as censorship.

Who would turn up to a political event dressed like they're on a night out? Especially in that setting.

Sure a player character barbarian woman might, but not "noble / rich" aristocrat NPCs.

[rusty_shackleford]

The image posted above is clearly meant to be inspired by European nobility, in a city inspired by medieval Europe. It's not like it's Red Sonja being covered up, the comparisons are ridiculous.

[Tangerine]

Remember kids, one of these changes is totally NOT like the others!

Correct. I expect verisimilitude in how medieval fantasy NPCs dress. That is different than weebshit which is intended to be coombait.

[PixiGreen]

Who would turn up to a political event dressed like they're on a night out?

US Admiral Rachel L. Levine and US Deputy Assistant Secretary Sam Brinton. Not sure which political even is that, though


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Sorry, I know what you mean, it's just too funny, could not resist posting.

[Reichspepe]

Who would turn up to a political event dressed like they're on a night out?

US Admiral Rachel L. Levine and US Deputy Assistant Secretary Sam Brinton. Not sure which political even is that, though


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/s ... on-005.jpg

Sorry, I know what you mean, it's just too funny, could not resist posting.

[mondblut]

Who would turn up to a political event dressed like they're on a night out? Especially in that setting.

I take it you haven't read many FR novels, friend. Most social events take place in facilites called "festhalls", which is the word Greenwood invented to replace brothels. Male nobles are mostly preoccupied with drinking and wenching, and females can make the most debased prostitutes blush. Just an observation I make after reading ca. 150 of them, the latest being "the cities" series.

Moreover, the "nobility" in question is not ye olde landed feudal barons, with the possible exception of Cormyr and remote places like Damara. They're rich merchant houses mostly preoccupied with displaying extravagance and indulging in all kinds of vices. Baldur's Gate is Venice, not Camelot.

I rest my case.

[Magick]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

[rusty_shackleford]

after reading ca. 150 of them, the latest being "the cities" series.

[rusty_shackleford]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

He's probably referring to Greenwood's FR, which is the basically the origin of this



Greenwood's FR is not the same as the licensed FR, even if the licensed version has tended towards it over time.

[mondblut]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

The lines tend to blur, that's the point. For instance, the culmination of https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... deep_Novel (which is the last one I've read) is an important political show intended to show everyone who's anyone in Waterdeep that Piergeron, who's been seriously wounded, is alive and well; it takes place in an upscale "festhall" and is fully expected to end up in a giant masked orgy by everyone present. "That setting" is anything but modest.

[rusty_shackleford]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

The lines tend to blur, that's the point. For instance, the culmination of https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... deep_Novel (which is the last one I've read) is an important political show intended to show everyone who's anyone in Waterdeep that Piergeron, who's been seriously wounded, is alive and well; it takes place in an upscale "festhall" and is fully expected to end up in a giant masked orgy by everyone present. "That setting" is anything but modest.

You are the only person alive who cares about the novels of an RPG setting.

[mondblut]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

The lines tend to blur, that's the point. For instance, the culmination of https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... deep_Novel (which is the last one I've read) is an important political show intended to show everyone who's anyone in Waterdeep that Piergeron, who's been seriously wounded, is alive and well; it takes place in an upscale "festhall" and is fully expected to end up in a giant masked orgy by everyone present. "That setting" is anything but modest.

You are the only person alive who cares about the novels of an RPG setting.

"Lore". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[rusty_shackleford]

The lines tend to blur, that's the point. For instance, the culmination of https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... deep_Novel (which is the last one I've read) is an important political show intended to show everyone who's anyone in Waterdeep that Piergeron, who's been seriously wounded, is alive and well; it takes place in an upscale "festhall" and is fully expected to end up in a giant masked orgy by everyone present. "That setting" is anything but modest.

You are the only person alive who cares about the novels of an RPG setting.

"Lore". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I didn't use that word.

[rusty_shackleford]

I'll tell you what: if you can find references to all these orgies, brothels, etc., in a TSR published book, I will admit I'm wrong.

[mondblut]

I'll tell you what: if you can find references to all these orgies, brothels, etc., in a TSR published book, I will admit I'm wrong.

All Forgotten Realms novels are official TSR published books.

13) I contributed Festhalls to the Realms. Ed’s original city maps had a high population of brothels, which made them inadvisable to publish. Our choices were rename them or rekey all the maps. I came up with the festhall name, which by definition spread out to handle a multitude of sins (feasts of both foods and flesh, and a bit of day spa added as well). I am very aware when someone else uses them in a fantasy novel.
- Jeff Grubb, https://grubbstreet.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... rance.html

[rusty_shackleford]

I'll tell you what: if you can find references to all these orgies, brothels, etc., in a TSR published book, I will admit I'm wrong.

All Forgotten Realms novels are official TSR published books.

13) I contributed Festhalls to the Realms. Ed’s original city maps had a high population of brothels, which made them inadvisable to publish. Our choices were rename them or rekey all the maps. I came up with the festhall name, which by definition spread out to handle a multitude of sins (feasts of both foods and flesh, and a bit of day spa added as well). I am very aware when someone else uses them in a fantasy novel.
- Jeff Grubb, https://grubbstreet.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... rance.html

Yes, I know they were censored. That's why I mentioned it.

Also, you appear to have confused TSR with WotC.

[mondblut]

I'll tell you what: if you can find references to all these orgies, brothels, etc., in a TSR published book, I will admit I'm wrong.

All Forgotten Realms novels are official TSR published books.

13) I contributed Festhalls to the Realms. Ed’s original city maps had a high population of brothels, which made them inadvisable to publish. Our choices were rename them or rekey all the maps. I came up with the festhall name, which by definition spread out to handle a multitude of sins (feasts of both foods and flesh, and a bit of day spa added as well). I am very aware when someone else uses them in a fantasy novel.
- Jeff Grubb, https://grubbstreet.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... rance.html

Yes, I know they were censored. That's why I mentioned it.

Also, you appear to have confused TSR with WotC.

Volo's guide to Waterdeep, 1993

[rusty_shackleford]

All Forgotten Realms novels are official TSR published books.

13) I contributed Festhalls to the Realms. Ed’s original city maps had a high population of brothels, which made them inadvisable to publish. Our choices were rename them or rekey all the maps. I came up with the festhall name, which by definition spread out to handle a multitude of sins (feasts of both foods and flesh, and a bit of day spa added as well). I am very aware when someone else uses them in a fantasy novel.
- Jeff Grubb, https://grubbstreet.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... rance.html

Yes, I know they were censored. That's why I mentioned it.

Also, you appear to have confused TSR with WotC.

Volo's guide to Waterdeep, 1993

Welp, that settles it. You gotta uncensor your mod for Waterdeep 3, @orinEsque

[orinEsque]

All Forgotten Realms novels are official TSR published books.

13) I contributed Festhalls to the Realms. Ed’s original city maps had a high population of brothels, which made them inadvisable to publish. Our choices were rename them or rekey all the maps. I came up with the festhall name, which by definition spread out to handle a multitude of sins (feasts of both foods and flesh, and a bit of day spa added as well). I am very aware when someone else uses them in a fantasy novel.
- Jeff Grubb, https://grubbstreet.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... rance.html

Yes, I know they were censored. That's why I mentioned it.

Also, you appear to have confused TSR with WotC.

Volo's guide to Waterdeep, 1993

Oh wow just wow.

I've never seen someone burn himself so badly. You're describing brothels not a official public political party. You stupid?

Gay RPG fanfiction read:150
Reading Comprehension:0

Clearly you can't tell the difference between a ceremonial inauguration event and what is basically an expensive brothel. Did you even play BG3? The inauguration is clearly NOT a festhall or a brothel. Nobles indulging themselves in brothels were present even in bg1. So quit harping on about your festhalls, you're making a fool of yourself.

[Magick]

Kek, you're STILL describing an actual night out.
A literal party, specific to those "festhalls". Does the BG3 event take place in a festhall? Nope.

Regardless, the mod is optional, and the dresses look great.

[Acrux]

Just a reminder:

Forgotten Realms And Sex

The current Forgotten Realms material is highly sanitized from Ed's original vision. In FR as created by Ed:

Bisexuality is normal (and yes, this means the men as well as the women)
Transgenderism is encouraged by several deities so that priests can experience life as the other sex
"Revels" (some of which involve sex) are normal
"Festhalls" (many of which employ prostitutes as staff) are relatively common and visiting them is the normal way to spend an evening.
Prostitution is a core industry of the Forgotten Realms; "sex workers" are all over and there are about 40 different names for different kinds of prostitutes.
Incest is a normal way for noble families to "indulge feelings of mutual affection" (poor people don't as they can't afford the contraception)
Pretty much all of the immortal NPCs in the Realms have come to believe that accepted sexual norms such as temperance are ********, so they flout them. Constantly.

All of this is confirmed by Ed Greenwood himself via his responses to fan queries on the Candlekeep forum. So Saith Ed here, here, and here. It's also all completely 100% canon thanks to Ed's ludicrously favorable contract.

Of course, this isn't exactly out of place in certain historical periods and cultures. For example, the Greeks and Etruscans were particularly known for having frequent orgies, Canaanite religion frequently involved cross-dressing (which may be why the Bible forbids it) and the nobility of many cultures from the Ptolemaic Egyptians to Hawaii to the House of Habsburg practiced various forms of incest so as to keep power within the family and avoid muddling their bloodlines with peasant genome; Rome had all of the above at various points. Therefore, some individual cultures or nations with these things going on probably wouldn't be too far off the mark, and notably, the post that included the stuff about incest also included that Ed himself is against incest... but when the whole **** world is into this stuff, it's not treated as a problem, no one questions it, and there's no sign of things changing, then clearly the author has something on his mind.

In short, the Forgotten Realms are Ed Greenwood's magical realm as cleaned up by TSR and later Hasbro for general consumption, and the Romantic Encounters mod for Baldur's Gate is probably canon.

As of 5E, WoTC has decided to embrace the first bullet-point, and there are random bits of homosexuality everywhere. Two men sharing a bed, a married pair of male porters and married pair of homesteaders, a gnome settlement with two kings, and a shopkeeper with nonbinary pronouns all appear in 5e adventures. An attempt to Retcon the massively corrupt and crime-ridden city of Waterdeep into "Seattle during Pride" was actually met with significant backlash.

No regular orgies in every village yet, but Rime of the Frostmaiden does feature a completely inbred town.

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Forgo ... ms_And_Sex

[orinEsque]

Just a reminder:

Forgotten Realms And Sex

The current Forgotten Realms material is highly sanitized from Ed's original vision. In FR as created by Ed:

Bisexuality is normal (and yes, this means the men as well as the women)
Transgenderism is encouraged by several deities so that priests can experience life as the other sex
"Revels" (some of which involve sex) are normal
"Festhalls" (many of which employ prostitutes as staff) are relatively common and visiting them is the normal way to spend an evening.
Prostitution is a core industry of the Forgotten Realms; "sex workers" are all over and there are about 40 different names for different kinds of prostitutes.
Incest is a normal way for noble families to "indulge feelings of mutual affection" (poor people don't as they can't afford the contraception)
Pretty much all of the immortal NPCs in the Realms have come to believe that accepted sexual norms such as temperance are ********, so they flout them. Constantly.

All of this is confirmed by Ed Greenwood himself via his responses to fan queries on the Candlekeep forum. So Saith Ed here, here, and here. It's also all completely 100% canon thanks to Ed's ludicrously favorable contract.

Of course, this isn't exactly out of place in certain historical periods and cultures. For example, the Greeks and Etruscans were particularly known for having frequent orgies, Canaanite religion frequently involved cross-dressing (which may be why the Bible forbids it) and the nobility of many cultures from the Ptolemaic Egyptians to Hawaii to the House of Habsburg practiced various forms of incest so as to keep power within the family and avoid muddling their bloodlines with peasant genome; Rome had all of the above at various points. Therefore, some individual cultures or nations with these things going on probably wouldn't be too far off the mark, and notably, the post that included the stuff about incest also included that Ed himself is against incest... but when the whole **** world is into this stuff, it's not treated as a problem, no one questions it, and there's no sign of things changing, then clearly the author has something on his mind.

In short, the Forgotten Realms are Ed Greenwood's magical realm as cleaned up by TSR and later Hasbro for general consumption, and the Romantic Encounters mod for Baldur's Gate is probably canon.

As of 5E, WoTC has decided to embrace the first bullet-point, and there are random bits of homosexuality everywhere. Two men sharing a bed, a married pair of male porters and married pair of homesteaders, a gnome settlement with two kings, and a shopkeeper with nonbinary pronouns all appear in 5e adventures. An attempt to Retcon the massively corrupt and crime-ridden city of Waterdeep into "Seattle during Pride" was actually met with significant backlash.

No regular orgies in every village yet, but Rime of the Frostmaiden does feature a completely inbred town.

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Forgo ... ms_And_Sex

Yep if he wants to go with Ed greenwood's filthy "canon", then wtf is he doing downloading No Alphabets?

He should happily be using sex framework to bum that dead gnome that comes back to life just to tell you it takes it up the ***.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

So by "social event" do you actually mean a night out, or a political inauguration?

The lines tend to blur, that's the point. For instance, the culmination of https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... deep_Novel (which is the last one I've read) is an important political show intended to show everyone who's anyone in Waterdeep that Piergeron, who's been seriously wounded, is alive and well; it takes place in an upscale "festhall" and is fully expected to end up in a giant masked orgy by everyone present. "That setting" is anything but modest.

How can anybody be that much of a ******?

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[Faceless_Sentinel]

All of this got me thinking: was there a time when Forgotten Realms wasn't the perversion it is now? Is there a clear line when Greenwood was no longer beaten by his hands with the censorship ruler, was given complete freedom and crammed all the fetishes he knew into the gaming universe?

[rusty_shackleford]

All of this got me thinking: was there a time when Forgotten Realms wasn't the perversion it is now? Is there a clear line when Greenwood was no longer beaten by his hands with the censorship ruler, was given complete freedom and crammed all the fetishes he knew into the gaming universe?

A lot of stuff got cut by TSR. Greenwood would cry his books were unreadable because the flow was ruined during editing, but as it turns out they were just unreadable altogether.
It's a shame the default setting wasn't Greyhawk.