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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:37
I'm directly quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed rather than in a current year hyper political landscape where everything is being reinterpreted.
I'm in full support of "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed", but you found only 2 out of all people who did writing for fallout 1. Collect all writers, so we can do this:
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 19:52
Imagine a world where we mock all ****** who say fallout 1 is woke and criticize capitalism by saying: "Oh boy, you are so pathetic, "critique" is done by 1 out of 5 writing team <links to statements of all who wrote quest and lore for fallout 1> in a side-quest that is consisting of three sentences! If that's a reason for you to think the whole game is about that, then you're just a pathetic ignoramus looking for self-validation where there is none!". If only Rusty wasn't that stubborn.

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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:19
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:37
I'm directly quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed rather than in a current year hyper political landscape where everything is being reinterpreted.
I'm in full support of "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed", but you found only 2 out of all people who did writing for fallout 1. Collect all writers, so we can do this:
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 19:52
Imagine a world where we mock all ****** who say fallout 1 is woke and criticize capitalism by saying: "Oh boy, you are so pathetic, "critique" is done by 1 out of 5 writing team <links to statements of all who wrote quest and lore for fallout 1> in a side-quest that is consisting of three sentences! If that's a reason for you to think the whole game is about that, then you're just a pathetic ignoramus looking for self-validation where there is none!". If only Rusty wasn't that stubborn.
Nobody from the original team has actually claimed it was a critique of capitalism, they did the opposite and it got deleted on reddit.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:43
Waiting for the people who never played Wasteland to lecture me on how the I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Wasteland is actually a deep social commentary
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You see, the visa sign represents capitalism, and he is ATTACKING you with it! It's a critique of how rampant capitalism is!
Check the intro, this was a lefty-game https://wasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Wasteland_manual
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:24
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:19
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:37
I'm directly quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed rather than in a current year hyper political landscape where everything is being reinterpreted.
I'm in full support of "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed", but you found only 2 out of all people who did writing for fallout 1. Collect all writers, so we can do this:
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 19:52
Imagine a world where we mock all ****** who say fallout 1 is woke and criticize capitalism by saying: "Oh boy, you are so pathetic, "critique" is done by 1 out of 5 writing team <links to statements of all who wrote quest and lore for fallout 1> in a side-quest that is consisting of three sentences! If that's a reason for you to think the whole game is about that, then you're just a pathetic ignoramus looking for self-validation where there is none!". If only Rusty wasn't that stubborn.
Nobody from the original team has actually claimed it was a critique of capitalism, they did the opposite and it got deleted on reddit.
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Do "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed" for every dev who was involved in writing on Fallout 1! How else I should write this? What words I should use so you understand what I am talking about?
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:30
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:24
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:19

I'm in full support of "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed", but you found only 2 out of all people who did writing for fallout 1. Collect all writers, so we can do this:

Nobody from the original team has actually claimed it was a critique of capitalism, they did the opposite and it got deleted on reddit.
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Do "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed" for every dev who was involved in writing on Fallout 1! How else I should write this? What words I should use so you understand what I am talking about?
You're allowed to go interview the developers yourself and get statements from them.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:43
Waiting for the people who never played Wasteland to lecture me on how the I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Wasteland is actually a deep social commentary
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You see, the visa sign represents capitalism, and he is ATTACKING you with it! It's a critique of how rampant capitalism is!
Check the intro, this was a lefty-game https://wasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Wasteland_manual
I just read it, which part of that was lefty? If anything it's mildly pro-right-isolationism.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:43
Waiting for the people who never played Wasteland to lecture me on how the I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Wasteland is actually a deep social commentary
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You see, the visa sign represents capitalism, and he is ATTACKING you with it! It's a critique of how rampant capitalism is!
Check the intro, this was a lefty-game https://wasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Wasteland_manual
no?
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:31
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:30
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:24


Nobody from the original team has actually claimed it was a critique of capitalism, they did the opposite and it got deleted on reddit.
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Do "quoting documents from the time, and developers writing things much closer to when it was actually developed" for every dev who was involved in writing on Fallout 1! How else I should write this? What words I should use so you understand what I am talking about?
You're allowed to go interview the developers yourself and get statements from them.
Hey, it is you who dig old dead forums and restore old documents to prove trannys wrong! Dig the whole thing, not the only part that fits your agenda, otherwise you behave similarly to lefties.
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Stack of Turtles wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:32
I just read it, which part of that was lefty? If anything it's mildly pro-right-isolationism.
The US escalated tensions by setting up puppet right-wing governments in the central and South Americas. When the US starstation went dark, both countries nuked everything.

In a right-wing game, Russia would have been the instigator.
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:38
Hey, it is you who dig old dead forums and restore old documents to prove trannys wrong! Dig the whole thing, not the only part that fits your agenda, otherwise you behave similarly to lefties.
I've dug up basically everything there is to dig up. You're asking for things that don't exist.

@Roguey if you want an example of an old game that was actually political propaganda, it's something like A Mind Forever Voyaging. They were very rare, few, and far between. Claiming anything that makes off-hand comments about politics without specifics leans one way or another is just copin', most games used to be mostly apolitical in nature with regards to real world politics.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:38
The US escalated tensions
It does not say this. And it does not place blame on either party for the satellites going out.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:40
@Roguey if you want an example of an old game that was actually political propaganda, it's something like A Mind Forever Voyaging. They were very rare, few, and far between. Claiming anything that makes off-hand comments about politics without specifics leans one way or another is just copin', most games used to be mostly apolitical in nature with regards to real world politics.
Most devs are liberal. Brian Fargo has donated a lot of money to Democrats over the decades.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:41
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:40
@Roguey if you want an example of an old game that was actually political propaganda, it's something like A Mind Forever Voyaging. They were very rare, few, and far between. Claiming anything that makes off-hand comments about politics without specifics leans one way or another is just copin', most games used to be mostly apolitical in nature with regards to real world politics.
Most devs are liberal. Brian Fargo has donated a lot of money to Democrats over the decades.
Ken & Roberta Williams were right-wing libertarians when they made all their games, I guess King's Quest is actually right-wing propaganda.

…Or was it the Coles? Whatever, I always get them mixed up.
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Stack of Turtles wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:32
Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:43
Waiting for the people who never played Wasteland to lecture me on how the I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Wasteland is actually a deep social commentary
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You see, the visa sign represents capitalism, and he is ATTACKING you with it! It's a critique of how rampant capitalism is!
Check the intro, this was a lefty-game https://wasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Wasteland_manual
I just read it, which part of that was lefty? If anything it's mildly pro-right-isolationism.
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:33
Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 20:43
Waiting for the people who never played Wasteland to lecture me on how the I-Cant-Believe-Its-Not-Wasteland is actually a deep social commentary
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You see, the visa sign represents capitalism, and he is ATTACKING you with it! It's a critique of how rampant capitalism is!
Check the intro, this was a lefty-game https://wasteland.fandom.com/wiki/Wasteland_manual
no?


Tensions grew with the coming of 1998. The United States’ Citadel Starstation was slated to be fully operational by March, Soviet charges that the space station was merely a military launching platform alarmed a number of nonaligned nations. The right wing governments in the South and Central Americas, many of them set up by the U.S. during the Drug Wars (1987-1993), pledged their support to the U.S. The NATO nations, including the new African members also declared their alliance with the U.S. That move forced most of the remaining neutral powers to join the Soviet protest. In six short weeks, only Switzerland, Sweden, and Ireland continued to declare themselves neutral nations.

Two weeks before Citadel was due for full operation, the station transmitted a distress signal. Immediately after the message was sent, most of the satellites orbiting the planet were swept clean from the sky, leaving the great powers blind. In military panic, each sent 90 percent of their nuclear arsenals skyward. Although the destruction was tremendous, it was not complete. Pockets of civilization remained, some even oblivious to the military exchange.
Don't these two paragraphs make the US look like the aggressor and the fact that the atomic bombings started because of the actions of the american space station doesn't make the US guilty of starting a nuclear war? Isn't blaming US is what leftist and wokesters do?
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:44
Don't these two paragraphs make the US look like the aggressor and the fact that the atomic bombings started because of the actions of the american space station doesn't make the US guilty of starting a nuclear war? Isn't blaming US is what leftist and wokesters do?
It doesn't assign blame to either party for the satellites going out.
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Wasteland 2 reveals that Cochise itself caused the false flag because it had gained sentience and came to the conclusion that humanity would want to destroy it, so it needed to destroy humanity first. America created Cochise, ergo America indirectly destroyed the world.
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If you want to manually format the document, be my guest. The original formatting is lost.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:46
Wasteland 2 reveals that Cochise itself caused the false flag because it had gained sentience and came to the conclusion that humanity would want to destroy it, so it needed to destroy humanity first. America created Cochise, ergo America indirectly destroyed the world.
WL2 also blames the drug wars on the Soviets, iiirc.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:40
I've dug up basically everything there is to dig up. You're asking for things that don't exist.
Can you please collect all your digging in one message or even topic, please? I feel like we had discussions on this theme in several other topics. It's all unstructured and blurry in the end.
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:53
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:40
I've dug up basically everything there is to dig up. You're asking for things that don't exist.
Can you please collect all your digging in one message or even topic, please? I feel like we had discussions on this theme in several other topics. It's all unstructured and blurry in the end.
You can dig it up :smug:
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:50
Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:46
Wasteland 2 reveals that Cochise itself caused the false flag because it had gained sentience and came to the conclusion that humanity would want to destroy it, so it needed to destroy humanity first. America created Cochise, ergo America indirectly destroyed the world.
WL2 also blames the drug wars on the Soviets, iiirc.
To be fair, wokester hate USSR to, they believe we publicly executed gays evey day 3 times at day, so it is in line with their ideology.
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:55
they believe we publicly executed gays evey day 3 times at day
Based if true.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:54
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:53
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:40
I've dug up basically everything there is to dig up. You're asking for things that don't exist.
Can you please collect all your digging in one message or even topic, please? I feel like we had discussions on this theme in several other topics. It's all unstructured and blurry in the end.
You can dig it up :smug:
Nah, I just say that you don't know the whole picture then :smug: :smug: :smug:
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Tangerine wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:56
Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:55
they believe we publicly executed gays evey day 3 times at day
Based if true.
In reality, gays were sent either to prison under the "sodomy" article or to a mental institution, lesbians to a mental institution.
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Wokeys want everything to be woke.

Rogeys want everything to be gay.
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Then I Got A Dream Job.
I was just out of High School in 1991 and I working at the local Egghead Software. Because he knew my love for computer games – and the Bard’s Tale in particular – my manager asked one of his friends to stop by and say hi. That befriend was “Burger” Bill Heineman – lead programmer of Bard’s Tale 3, Dragon Wars, one of the founders of Interplay Productions, and heavily involved in the various ports of Wasteland. Needless to say, he was a bit of a legend to me. We talked a bit about the various games I made in my spare time, the grand old times of the Atari 2600 days, and what it was like to actually make games professionally. He said that I should drop by Interplay’s studios sometime.
**** boomers and xoomers. Back then everyone who wasn't a programmer got into video games via firm handshake.
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Hyborian wrote: December 31st, 2024, 13:42
Then I Got A Dream Job.
I was just out of High School in 1991 and I working at the local Egghead Software. Because he knew my love for computer games – and the Bard’s Tale in particular – my manager asked one of his friends to stop by and say hi. That befriend was “Burger” Bill Heineman – lead programmer of Bard’s Tale 3, Dragon Wars, one of the founders of Interplay Productions, and heavily involved in the various ports of Wasteland. Needless to say, he was a bit of a legend to me. We talked a bit about the various games I made in my spare time, the grand old times of the Atari 2600 days, and what it was like to actually make games professionally. He said that I should drop by Interplay’s studios sometime.
**** boomers and xoomers. Back then everyone who wasn't a programmer got into video games via firm handshake.
Don't forget to look him right in the eyes too
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Hyborian wrote: December 31st, 2024, 13:42
**** boomers and xoomers. Back then everyone who wasn't a programmer got into video games via firm handshake.
David Gaider was a hotel manager who DMed D&D and never went to college and got hired at Bioware because one of his players was an employee who recommended him.

Josh Sawyer was a history major who got a job designing Planescape Torment's web site, Interplay sent a company-wide "Does anyone know D&D? We're making Icewind Dale and need some more people" memo and they took him on as a designer.

It Just Worked.
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Roguey wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:38
Stack of Turtles wrote: December 30th, 2024, 21:32
I just read it, which part of that was lefty? If anything it's mildly pro-right-isolationism.
The US escalated tensions by setting up puppet right-wing governments in the central and South Americas. When the US starstation went dark, both countries nuked everything.

In a right-wing game, Russia would have been the instigator.
Yeah cause the deep state doesn't exist.