No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[Roderick]

I helped Shar and with the ending of act 2 was pure kino. Saved me from noticing a lot of problems with the game the first time around.

[rusty_shackleford]

We're expecting a bunch of newcomers

This is amazing! Please remember to be on your better behavior guys, new people might take a look at the newest posts in this thread

@Tweed

[orinEsque]

I helped Shar and with the ending of act 2 was pure kino. Saved me from noticing a lot of problems with the game the first time around.

If you gonna go murder hobo, I recommend disabling NA just for just the end of Act II (it won't break your game)

[Tweed]

We're expecting a bunch of newcomers

This is amazing! Please remember to be on your better behavior guys, new people might take a look at the newest posts in this thread

@Tweed

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[DagothGeas5]

We're expecting a bunch of newcomers:

Love that he has the snow turned on too

[Silver]

I love this one so much.
It's one of the best "Tweed AI gen" images I've seen.

[Envuen]

Love that he has the snow turned on too

Probably didn't know how to disable it

[old-red-paint]

Are we expecting Patch #8 to mess with NA?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all anyway!

[Delacroix]

Just remember good people, Aylin used to be a male early on even in lore entries.



We lost a good Son of Selune for the sake of having girlboss lesbian ****.

See, I thought the role of Aylin seemed written as a male.

[orinEsque]

Are we expecting Patch #8 to mess with NA?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all anyway!

Unlikely. Made next NA fully compatible with official mod manager. The language file is also specific lines and not everything. There shouldn't be anything important to break now.

Except CCreator.

[Kain]

Just remember good people, Aylin used to be a male early on even in lore entries.



We lost a good Son of Selune for the sake of having girlboss lesbian ****.

See, I thought the role of Aylin seemed written as a male.

First, they ask normal people with talent to build up the game. Then they send in the freaks to smear **** on it.

[old-red-paint]

Are we expecting Patch #8 to mess with NA?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all anyway!

Unlikely. Made next NA fully compatible with official mod manager. The language file is also specific lines and not everything. There shouldn't be anything important to break now.

Except CCreator.

That's great news!

[Ligrev]

We're expecting a bunch of newcomers:

I wonder how many of them will stay after looking at Tweed and Gerey.

To be fair Gerey's pfp is much less "bad" than Tweed's

I know right? That dino **** freaks me out as well. @gerey has a respectable clean shaven gentleman on his and I don't see any problem with it.

see what i mean? that nice hugo boss uniform... wasted on a lizard.

[Reichspepe]

I wonder how many of them will stay after looking at Tweed and Gerey.

To be fair Gerey's pfp is much less "bad" than Tweed's

I know right? That dino **** freaks me out as well. @gerey has a respectable clean shaven gentleman on his and I don't see any problem with it.

see what i mean? that nice hugo boss uniform... wasted on a lizard.

I might have said this already but I adore your pfp, it's just great

[kahnxo]

Any chance you could upload a version of the mod without the Aylin changes? Or just a modular version regardless? Appreciate all the work you've put in

[orinEsque]

Any chance you could upload a version of the mod without the Aylin changes? Or just a modular version regardless? Appreciate all the work you've put in

Its on my list. Just rather low priority.

[antares]

Thank you so much for this mod!! Got to the end of Act 2 and pumped my fist at seeing Ser Aylin. No more gay ****!!!

[mondblut]

Version 3.6 - 13 Jan 2024

• Fixed lore mismatch in Ilmater book: "self-flagellation" replaced with "self-sacrifice"

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

[Hyborian]

Just remember good people, Aylin used to be a male early on even in lore entries.



We lost a good Son of Selune for the sake of having girlboss lesbian ****.

No, Aylin SIlverblood aka Nightsong was always female and Isobel's lover. Original Nightsong was a human cleric. Dame Aylin, the paladin girlboss and Aasimar child of Selune, is likely a different character, probably male originally as you pointed out, that was merged with Nighstong after they scrapped her original storyline. You can read more about it here https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Aylin/Cut_content



To think that we could have had Morena Baccarin Nightsong. **** whoever is responsible for that re-write. Some gay american, for sure.

[rusty_shackleford]

Version 3.6 - 13 Jan 2024

• Fixed lore mismatch in Ilmater book: "self-flagellation" replaced with "self-sacrifice"

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

There was a thread on this and it was decided that it was lore breaking for a standard ilmater Temple to teach self flagellation to the laity. Self flagellation is much closer to a practice of Loviatar, not Ilmater.

Self flagellation was considered to be a heresy https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... _Suffering

Greenwood on the topic:



There's a second tweet I can't seem to load, but the text states:

In the original Realms campaign, the only Ilmatari cleric who sought out harm for himself was driven to do so by dream-visions that he believed were sent by the god as guidance.

Most Ilmatari thought self-harm was "cheap show" rather than real devotion.

[rusty_shackleford]

Altho I'd agree that it probably does not belong in this mod but a separate 'lore fixes' mod? @orinEsque

[rusty_shackleford]

Oh and @mondblut, I saw your whining but I hate to break it to you — the author of the mod is an atheist AFAIK

[mondblut]

Version 3.6 - 13 Jan 2024

• Fixed lore mismatch in Ilmater book: "self-flagellation" replaced with "self-sacrifice"

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

There was a thread on this and it was decided that it was lore breaking for a standard ilmater Temple to teach self flagellation to the laity. Self flagellation is much closer to a practice of Loviatar, not Ilmater.

Self flagellation was considered to be a heresy https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... _Suffering

Greenwood on the topic:



There's a second tweet I can't seem to load, but the text states:

In the original Realms campaign, the only Ilmatari cleric who sought out harm for himself was driven to do so by dream-visions that he believed were sent by the god as guidance.

Most Ilmatari thought self-harm was "cheap show" rather than real devotion.

Come on, whatever Greenwood would say on public in 2022 should be taken with a grain of salt the size of Mount Everest, given who his paymasters are. If you are "fixing" the lore from the %current_year% abominations, a source from back in the day, such as an official canon FR novel from 1991, should always have more weight.

And re: Cult of Shared Suffering:

Thus, suffering should be shared with others, and non-believers in particular

That's what makes it heresy - not self-flagellation.

[rusty_shackleford]

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

There was a thread on this and it was decided that it was lore breaking for a standard ilmater Temple to teach self flagellation to the laity. Self flagellation is much closer to a practice of Loviatar, not Ilmater.

Self flagellation was considered to be a heresy https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki ... _Suffering

Greenwood on the topic:



There's a second tweet I can't seem to load, but the text states:

In the original Realms campaign, the only Ilmatari cleric who sought out harm for himself was driven to do so by dream-visions that he believed were sent by the god as guidance.

Most Ilmatari thought self-harm was "cheap show" rather than real devotion.

Come on, whatever Greenwood would say on public in 2022 should be taken with a grain of salt the size of Mount Everest, given who his paymasters are. If you are "fixing" the lore from the %current_year% abominations, a source from back in the day, such as an official canon FR novel from 1991, should always have more weight.

And re: Cult of Shared Suffering:

Thus, suffering should be shared with others, and non-believers in particular

That's what makes it heresy - not self-flagellation.

I don't see how he's stating anything that would be changed due to the influence of time or outside entities. He specifically references the original Realms campaign.

Salvatore is directly responsible for Drizzt and the rehabilitation of Drow, I'm not one to take his word on matters of lore anyways.

[orinEsque]

Altho I'd agree that it probably does not belong in this mod but a separate 'lore fixes' mod? @orinEsque

Yes the lore considerations will likely be ported into BBE. I've currently dumped everything here, because the content for "lore considerations" is too little to have its own standalone mod.

[rusty_shackleford]

**** whoever is responsible for that re-write. Some gay american, for sure.

Almost certainly the person responsible for rewriting the main storyline, baudelaire. Especially considering it's also related to romance, which baudelaire was also in charge of.
anti-americans copin' again

[orinEsque]

Version 3.6 - 13 Jan 2024

• Fixed lore mismatch in Ilmater book: "self-flagellation" replaced with "self-sacrifice"

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:



If you notice, this dress has a white skirt. Larian didn't add one cuz their artists are clearly too ******* lazy to do it. Imo, NPCs at least should give a medieval vibe to set the scene. Also without skirt this dress looks crappy.

I should probably have cleavage showing tho , apparently it wasn't a big deal back then compared to ankles .

[rusty_shackleford]

Version 3.6 - 13 Jan 2024

• Fixed lore mismatch in Ilmater book: "self-flagellation" replaced with "self-sacrifice"

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:



If you notice, this dress has a white skirt. Larian didn't add one cuz their artists are clearly too ******* lazy to do it. Imo, NPCs at least should give a medieval vibe to set the scene. Also without skirt this dress looks crappy.

I should probably have cleavage showing tho , apparently it wasn't a big deal back then compared to ankles .

He was angry about this change

[orinEsque]

Come again?

“Do something for him!” Cadderly pleaded, but Newander only shook his head helplessly. “Ilmater!” gasped the dying priest. “The ... pain,” he stammered. “It is so won-“ He shuddered one final time and fell dead in Cadderly’s arms.
“Who could have done this?” Cadderly asked, though he feared he knew the answer.
“Is not Ilmater the Crying God, a deity dedicated to suffering?” the druid asked, leading Cadderly to a clear conclusion.
Cadderly nodded gravely. “Priests of Ilmater often engage in selfflagellation, but it is usually a minor ritual of no serious consequence.”

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:



If you notice, this dress has a white skirt. Larian didn't add one cuz their artists are clearly too ******* lazy to do it. Imo, NPCs at least should give a medieval vibe to set the scene. Also without skirt this dress looks crappy.

I should probably have cleavage showing tho , apparently it wasn't a big deal back then compared to ankles .

He was angry about this change

Oh I see, he swings THAT way.
No ladies on HQ find that piece of **** attractive. Say no to faggotry!

[mondblut]

I donno why you've been complaining about dignify btw and calling it too conservative:

I came here to critique the whitewashing of the Ilmateri. That "dignify" thing, at least, is an optional submod and can be wholly ignored.

But if this is the hill you wanna die upon...





Remember kids, one of these changes is totally NOT like the others!