Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Dragon age Veilguard OST is painfully generic that follows the typical grey Hollywood slop you seen before other then one decent track in the beginning of the game so far.

It’s a shame that Inon Zur stop being the composer of the series after Dragon Age 2.

[fkirenicus]

It’s a shame that Inon Zur stop being the composer of the series after Dragon Age 2.

Well, he delivered an absolutely fanastic score for DA:O - but it is almost like he knew DA:E would be the end of what's good with the setting, and wrote a music score that was mediocre at best, and outright awful at worst.

[Element]

Dragon age Veilguard OST is painfully generic that follows the typical grey Hollywood slop you seen before other then one decent track in the beginning of the game so far.

It’s a shame that Inon Zur stop being the composer of the series after Dragon Age 2.

Did he make anything worthwhile other than DAO main theme?

[Gunnar]

Dragon Age sucks and always has. The merits of Origins are debatable. There is certainly nothing in there that is best in gaming. Dragon Age fans are ******** **** eaters.

Gunnar tells us that

You aren’t interesting enough to reply to my posts.

[fkirenicus]

You aren’t interesting enough to reply to my posts.

I'm apparently interesting enough that you bother replying to my uninteresting replies anyway.

[gerey]

There is certainly nothing in there that is best in gaming.

It's a competently* made game released during a time when cRPGs of such scope were rare. It's also deeply flawed, as many cRPGs tend to be, but at least you can tell there was genuine passion to try and make something different and ambitious.

I can understand why people still cling to nostalgia over DA:O, there was the glimmer of something special in there, but it got smothered by the time the second game released.

*The game is buggy and many of the gameplay/mechanical choices are questionable, it's a product that would have benefited from more fine tuning and testing, but with a few mods that incentivize build variety and increase combat difficulty, it can be fun.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Dragon age Veilguard OST is painfully generic that follows the typical grey Hollywood slop you seen before other then one decent track in the beginning of the game so far.

It’s a shame that Inon Zur stop being the composer of the series after Dragon Age 2.

Did he make anything worthwhile other than DAO main theme?

I can think of many others.


Dragon Age Origins


-leliana's song

-I am the one

-Human Nobility

-The Party Camp

-Ferelden at war




Dragon Age 2


-Main theme

-Destiny of love

-Rogue Heart

-Hawks Family theme

-Mage Pride


Really great soundtracks for both games but my personal favourite track would be Destiny of love in Dragon Age 2

[Nooneatall]

You aren’t interesting enough to reply to my posts.

I'm apparently interesting enough that you bother replying to my uninteresting replies anyway.

How's your ***** wife doing? Still riding those bulls while you watch?

I've never liked dragon age and thought nwm2 was better. A lot of gay **** in RPGs looking back

[PixiGreen]

Not sure what you see in that game that you think might be worth saving. Just play DA:O if you want to play Dragon age.

This! Begun a new game on the release day of that abomination, and - god! - the battle of Ostagar is one of the strongest scenes in gaming!

Play DAO.

There are women in miniskirts manning the frontline and standing shoulder to shoulder with guys wearing heavy armour at Ostagar.

A. You disapprove of the women in miniskirts?!
B. You mean like this?


Yeah, for shame....


Seriously, there is light armour in the game which is quite revealing but mostly reserved for protagonist, Leliana and Zevrand. The rest of the warriors are wearing something like this:

[fkirenicus]

This! Begun a new game on the release day of that abomination, and - god! - the battle of Ostagar is one of the strongest scenes in gaming!

Play DAO.

There are women in miniskirts manning the frontline and standing shoulder to shoulder with guys wearing heavy armour at Ostagar.

A. You disapprove of the women in miniskirts?!
B. You mean like this?


Yeah, for shame....


Seriously, there is light armour in the game which is quite revealing but mostly reserved for protagonist, Leliana and Zevrand. The rest of the warriors are wearing something like this:

Probably referring to that some women might (don't remember for sure) wear the female-only leather armor (not studded leather armor) model in the battle cut scene in Ostagar. That basically looks like a miniskirt with a quite revealing top. Light armor model C (female only) in an unmodded game, if memory serves.


EDIT: I see that Nobrainatall disagrees with facts. Quite like the ******** who refuse to acknowledge that there is a difference between male and female chromosomes.

[Nooneatall]

The dude who lets his wife bang other dudes while he watches doesn't mind warrior women.

[Element]

This! Begun a new game on the release day of that abomination, and - god! - the battle of Ostagar is one of the strongest scenes in gaming!

Play DAO.

There are women in miniskirts manning the frontline and standing shoulder to shoulder with guys wearing heavy armour at Ostagar.

B. You mean like this?

I mean like this



The whole Ostagar fiasco is a just a gift that keeps on giving the more you look at the cutscene. Women everywhere, wafer thin lines, the archers in front of the palisades, the mabari charge into the horde, then Cailan's charge into the open where the lines thin out even more to cover the ground (whilst being pressed on all sides).

[fkirenicus]

The whole Ostagar fiasco is a just a gift that keeps on giving the more you look at the cutscene. Women everywhere, wafer thin lines, the archers in front of the palisades, the mabari charge into the horde, then Cailan's charge into the open where the lines thin out even more to cover the ground (whilst being pressed on all sides).

Valid points all, but let's not forget: Cailan was an idiot who thought himself invincible so long as he had the Grey Wardens with him. amd absolutely was no strategist.
But it might be that the writers and developers also had shared some of the idiocy, yes.
A little like Aragorn and his army riding out to meet Sauron, and then when they arrive they think "hey, let's remove the one advantage we actually have!" and go to war with Sauron's armies on foot.

[PixiGreen]

Oh, I do not discuss the strategy (though the plan was to draw hoard's attention with Loghain attacking from the flank) and "women everywhere in the army" is part of the setting (do you hate "Malazan Book of the Fallen"? What about Game of Thrones (books)? Women in the armies left and right!). It's fantasy, women-warriors are part of the deal, especially for the games where you can choose your model.

And the armour - same for both genders but women get cleavage.

Still, the atmosphere, the music, the tension - all there, all great!

[Element]

"women everywhere in the army" is part of the setting (do you hate "Malazan Book of the Fallen"? What about Game of Thrones (books)? Women in the armies left and right!). It's fantasy, women-warriors are part of the deal

Never read Malazan and will not be reading it now (thank you for the heads up). Asoif was ok until its multitudinous plotlines wove themselves into a gordian knot by book 4. No wonder Martin fled to kill time scribbling 'reference' books instead. GoT is horrendous, but it's an apt comparison - if you turn down the brightness on your screen low enough you can mistake the battle of Ostagar for the battle of Winterfell ( you'll never mistake it for Helm's Deep ).

And if a setting pits 5'7 women in hand to hand combat against 6'4 Hurlocks that self select for cruelty and strength through the brood culls, and expects one to just take it in stride and pretend it's all part and parcel of the setting, there's no good argument as to why the game can't have non-binary transsexuals, bharves, the whole shebang really. Dragon age is just keeping up with the times.

[Trickster]

Women in armor are good if they are created with an eye toward aesthetics that attract men.
When women in armor are created to deliver a feminist ideology that belittles the role of men in a woman's life, you get ****.

[Element]

Women in armor are good if they are created with an eye toward aesthetics that attract men.
When women in armor are created to deliver a feminist ideology, you get ****.

Women in armour waving swords is said feminist ideology. Have them be mages.

[7Trickster]

He's telling you to be okay with missing some content. Stop playing games like you have to 100% everything and play them more like simulations. You might miss things - and that's okay.

Nowadays I kill Karlach everytime : the simps will say I lose a ton of content... which is like 3 cutscenes about a metal from Hell and 1 about Gortash.

I say I gain a peace of mind without an unimmersive Mary-Sue, a beautiful head to play ball with Scratch, a nice robe for my Shart monk and Wyll won't look like a horny mana-addict ****.

But to the point : I think it's ok to save scum, not just because you want to experience the most on a first playthrough (who knows if you'll do a second), but because you never know when a bug might hit you. I'd rather save time than waste time.

Also, I saw thr game peaked at 80-89k, hopefully it stays there. **** this game and devs (the one who held hostage the non-mentally ill devs at least).

I did this but with Astarion. As soon as he tried to suck my character's blood in the middle of the night. Everyone told me I missed out on the best companion character, the best written character in the entire game and the most emotional and best written questline. I don't care. My character is a Paladin and Astarion outed himself as an undead monstrosity and filthy bloodsuckers get the stake, as Lathander intended.

What you did is respect your roleplay. Many players (especially the female crowd, no offense intended to them) will prefer to forget roleplay when it suits them. Still, I don't know about you, but a guy that hold you hostage with a knife, then next night tries to drink your blood... nobody would even invite the ******* in the party on the first encounter. Especially if you fail the perception check.

[gerey]

Have them be mages.

I do actually agree with this, if the lore supports it.

Say that people with the ability to channel magic are rare, perhaps emphasize that the ability to wield magic is not transferable genetically (to justify why they'd let women be on the battlefield, or adventuring), or simply state the the need is so great, and magic users so few, that medieval social norms are more relaxed when it comes to female mages (which would be another interesting story beat to tackle).

EDIT:

Women in armor are good if they are created with an eye toward aesthetics that attract men.

The more serious the setting, the sillier wahmen warriors tend to be. You can do something akin to how it is in Conan stories, female adventurers are rare, usually exceptionally talented, and always commented on. They are seen as an anomaly and treated as such.

There's ways to incorporate female party members into your story without taking away from the fact they are women - making them magic users, empowered with divine might, or rogues that avoid fighting are always good picks. Making them archers is dumb because bows require a lot of upper body strength to operate.

[Roguey]

Most fantasy fiction is not "hard fantasy" and it's incredibly foolish to analyze it as such. It's silly power fantasies with magic.

[gerey]

It's silly power fantasies with magic.

Sure, but how is "strong wahmen that need no man" a power fantasy for men? I agree that it's silly to complain about strong women in a story written for women, but other than subhuman reddit ***** with a muscle mommy fetish, what man wants that in their escapism.

[WhiteShark]

Most fantasy fiction is not "hard fantasy" and it's incredibly foolish to analyze it as such. It's silly power fantasies with magic.

"Don't think too hard about it, just, like, turn off your brain and enjoy it, man."

[Acrux]

(especially the female crowd, no offense intended to them)

Why not?

[Roguey]

It's silly power fantasies with magic.

Sure, but how is "strong wahmen that need no man" a power fantasy for men? I agree that it's silly to complain about strong women in a story written for women, but other than subhuman reddit ***** with a muscle mommy fetish, what man wants that in their escapism.

A good number of nerds like this stuff, and I'm among them. Women warriors such as the Amazons and Valkyries. All those woman in prison/rape revenge/girl gang stories from past decades. The Dragon Age writing team also included three women on staff and women have been a part of Bioware's audience since Baldur's Gate.

Most fantasy fiction is not "hard fantasy" and it's incredibly foolish to analyze it as such. It's silly power fantasies with magic.

"Don't think too hard about it, just, like, turn off your brain and enjoy it, man."

This is legitimately the only way to enjoy any Bioware game, yes. They're all stupid. They're all made by mainstream pop culture-consuming Canadian libtards, differentiated by the differences in liberal values at the time they were made.

[gerey]

The Dragon Age writing team also included three women on staff

And it shows.

EDIT:

The worst thing to happen to (computer) RPGs was letting women into the hobby.

[PixiGreen]

Women in armor are good if they are created with an eye toward aesthetics that attract men.
When women in armor are created to deliver a feminist ideology, you get ****.

Women in armour waving swords is said feminist ideology. Have them be mages.

Agree on mages part (and to be fair most of the women in DAO are with the chantry and wearing dresses). But not so sure what is the chicken and what is the egg here. After all, Éowyn was created in 1950. Sure, she was an absolute exception but she was a woman wielding a sword, wasn't she? And Tolkien is the last man who can be accused of feminism.

Would that feminist movement be so successful in creating the trop if men did not enjoy half-naked amazons/female barbarians/female fighters of all kinds in fantasy art?
And for gamers an option to play with a pretty female avatar that can obliterate everything with a sword twice her size - was it political? Same with lesbian romances, btw. (Of course, when it started it was not the aggressive "strong women do not need no men")

Looks bad in any even semi-realistic setting, true, but for the fantasy and if without preaching ... kind of acceptable?

You know, I'll stop here. I do not trust even myself anymore to judge anything. Today's agenda killed even the most innocent and (in time) innovative or creative look at anything. I can still forgive some old titles like DAO and will keep it at that.

P.S. While I was typing, @Roguey said it all better already.

[fkirenicus]

After all, Éowyn was created in 1950. Sure, she was an absolute exception but she was a woman wielding a sword, wasn't she? And Tolkien is the last man who can be accused of feminism.

Oh, no you! Don't you dare smear our great bromance hobby with that PONCE Tolkien, the ******* feminazi who is no better than Patrick Weekes! It all started with Eowyn; Tolkien should have been crucified for letting a woman wield a sword! Now ALL women want to wield swords!

(there might be a hint of sarcasm in the text above)

[ArcaneLurker]

Women in armor are good if they are created with an eye toward aesthetics that attract men.
When women in armor are created to deliver a feminist ideology, you get ****.

Women in armour waving swords is said feminist ideology.

They can have 'representation' as soldiers if they accept forced conscription to the frontlines.

[Trickster]

Women in armour waving swords is said feminist ideology. Have them be mages.

Feminists often bash on strong, badass women who can hold their own and don't need a bunch of other women telling them what to do. They're always playing the victim card and seem to have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to men. Meanwhile, warrior women in fantasy usually had special connections with men and didn't care about feminism.
Basically, when you think of a shield maiden, you don't exactly picture a hardcore feminist. Especially when you ask real life feminists about stuff like military conscription and they either dodge the question or give you a big ol' "hell no.

[Element]

Éowyn ... was an absolute exception

Yes precisely

men enjoy half-naked ... females

Yes. The sword waving is incidental. Put strip-clubs stuffed with blonde bimbos with big tits into your fantasy setting and the audience will enjoy it just as much, maybe even more.
Also I wouldn't pay too much attention to what nerds want because they're the group that is most susceptible to trooning out.

play with a pretty female avatar that can obliterate everything with a sword twice her size - was it political?

I don't know whether it's political, but anyone who likes seeing some beanstalk in a skirt wave a slab of iron around is either not well, or Japanese. At least give her magic superpowers or a pair of uzis like Rayne or Lara.

lesbian romances

Yes, like I said - sex sells. If you put gays twerking and humping each other into the game then it'd quickly tank.

when it started it was not the aggressive "strong women do not need no men"

We'll push just a little. A bit here, a bit there. What's the harm in that? There is no steady state equilibrium which, once achieved, remains forever unchanging. Like the old soviet song - the revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end.