Mechwarrior 5: Clans

[madbringer]

I'm done with Battletech until they decide Word of Blake was racist.

[Yankee Zulu]

This is out. Steam reviews are mixed. Performance is **** as they say which I kinda expected from this company. If yankeejunk exists, then this is it.

[Rand]

Performance is **** as they say

Let me evince ZERO surprise at this.

[rusty_shackleford]

[Finarfin]

If you got Goy Pass for PC, you can play Mechwarrior 5: Clans with it.

[rusty_shackleford]

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[Rand]

Team America: World Police had less wooden puppets in their videos.

Also, why is a ******** part of the lead star?
She's clearly not genetically related, which is the point.

[rusty_shackleford]

Team America: World Police had less wooden puppets in their videos.

Also, why is a ******** part of the lead star?
She's clearly not genetically related, which is the point.

el goblina…

[Xenich]

Never understood the desire to play these games using 3rd person switching. (yes, I know the early games allowed, just saying)

[rusty_shackleford]

He decided to do a full review

[Red7]

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so merc5 with clan mech mods vastly superior

[Norfleet]

Also, why is a ******** part of the lead star?
She's clearly not genetically related, which is the point.

Yeah, I thought Clanners were grown in vats, so you'd think they'd be REALLY homogenous.

[Cipher]

Also, why is a ******** part of the lead star?
She's clearly not genetically related, which is the point.

Yeah, I thought Clanners were grown in vats, so you'd think they'd be REALLY homogenous.

Sadly, that's faggotry that has always been in the lore. The clans are members of the Star League that left the galaxy a long time ago and developed into their own culture and now are returning.

The people that left and eventually became the claners weren't racially homogenous already. We have seen ****** clanners in lore way before Battletech was took over by ******. And, as far as I know, there's nowhere in the galaxy that is truly genetically homogenous anymore.

[Norfleet]

The people that left and eventually became the claners weren't racially homogenous already. We have seen ****** clanners in lore way before Battletech was took over by ******. And, as far as I know, there's nowhere in the galaxy that is truly genetically homogenous anymore.

Yeah, but since Clanners do not reproduce naturally, but are instead cloned in vats, you'd think that they would end UP being very homogenous, likely some kind of brown sewer mutant, but any relatively homogenous outcome would be expected. For them not to end up as some kind of homogenous mass on at least a per-clan basis would require them to specifically go out of their way to preserve old-Earth genotypes and phenotypes, which would seem odd.

[rusty_shackleford]

They're non-homogeneous because of real world political reasons. That's it.

[Cipher]

The people that left and eventually became the claners weren't racially homogenous already. We have seen ****** clanners in lore way before Battletech was took over by ******. And, as far as I know, there's nowhere in the galaxy that is truly genetically homogenous anymore.

Yeah, but since Clanners do not reproduce naturally, but are instead cloned in vats, you'd think that they would end UP being very homogenous, likely some kind of brown sewer mutant, but any relatively homogenous outcome would be expected. For them not to end up as some kind of homogenous mass on at least a per-clan basis would require them to specifically go out of their way to preserve old-Earth genotypes and phenotypes, which would seem odd.

No. Let's say that the people that became Smoke Jaguar already had ******* in them. Then, at least a dozen or so ******* became "warriors" of the clan or something else important. Then, those get cloned in the vats and become the genetic material for some clanners within Smoke Jaguar. That would justify having that negress as a clan warrior.

The only way for that would be if clans where ethnically segregated but, as far as I know, that wasn't the case. As I said, and I may be wrong here, but from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

[Rand]

from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

The nobles of House Kurita, maybe.

[Cipher]

from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

The nobles of House Kurita, maybe.

Kind of... but then you have stuff like Parker Kurita and Robert Kurita.

That's what I mean, not even the ***** are 100% anime.

[Rand]

To the "progressive", ******* have to somehow exist as an independently visible reproducing phenotype, but whites and orientals must be be miscegenated by them for all time.
It's a mad position.
Schroedinger's negroes

[Cipher]

To the "progressive", ******* have to somehow exist as an independently visible reproducing phenotype, but whites and orientals must be be miscegenated by them for all time.
It's a mad position.
Schroedinger's negroes

Yeah. And again, I may be wrong here, I like Battletech since I watched the cartoon back in the day, but I am not a lore buff. As far as I know, the lore has always had the hodge podge race mixing everywhere. Pretty much like Mass Effect, where people have a name that reflects one ethnic group, a last name that reflects another and then their actual physical appearance reflects a blend.

I.e. Kaiden Alenko. Looks like a mexican, is alledgedly Canadian, has a last name that is common in Russia and a name that is a variation of an Irish/Scottish name.

From what I know, Battletech was always like that.

[Norfleet]

The only way for that would be if clans where ethnically segregated but, as far as I know, that wasn't the case. As I said, and I may be wrong here, but from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

But if the clans WEREN'T being ethnically segregated, but instead members were simply sampled for genetic material with the next batch being made from the material of their best warriors, then very quickly all the standard old-Earth phenotypes would be lost and you'd just have homogenized brown mystery meat.

[Stack of Turtles]

The only way for that would be if clans where ethnically segregated but, as far as I know, that wasn't the case. As I said, and I may be wrong here, but from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

But if the clans WEREN'T being ethnically segregated, but instead members were simply sampled for genetic material with the next batch being made from the material of their best warriors, then very quickly all the standard old-Earth phenotypes would be lost and you'd just have homogenized brown mystery meat.

They wouldn't be brown because browns don't make great warriors (no ability to plan ahead). Otherwise true, though.

[Cipher]

The only way for that would be if clans where ethnically segregated but, as far as I know, that wasn't the case. As I said, and I may be wrong here, but from the get go Battletech's galaxy has never had a place that is genetically homogenous anymore.

But if the clans WEREN'T being ethnically segregated, but instead members were simply sampled for genetic material with the next batch being made from the material of their best warriors, then very quickly all the standard old-Earth phenotypes would be lost and you'd just have homogenized brown mystery meat.

Yeah... but we don't see that. Clanners have always all had different phenotypes without a real rhyme or reason, even within the same clan. The reasoning, from what I know, has always been that they are the descendants of the people that fled the Inner Sphere and now returned. As far as I can tell, ******* have always appeared as clanners and this is not a new thing.

Now, of course having a negress as part of the team in this game is done for DEI. Hard to think otherwise knowing the landscape of 2024. But, to be fair its not against the lore. My understanding of the way trueborns are "made" is that warriors and such send their DNA material to labs and then the labs use a "genefather" and a "genemother" and then do genesplicing to "maximize" the talents of the offspring.

But, even with all the interbreeding in the Inner Sphere, as you say, everything should be a brown mystery meat, but its not. It's one of those things that the writers didn't though through properly. They wanted the Inner Sphere to have diversity of ethnicity everywhere without truly understand what that means or how would it look. So you get some arian Steiner but just as well a brown Steiner exist alongside. And, as far as my knowledge of the lore goes, that includes ******* as well.

As presented, having a ****** clanner alongside a white clanner makes "sense" within the lore, since it follows that line of the ****** clanner has one geneparent be a ******, or maybe even both and that's why he or she would look like a ******.

Another thing is that female warrior clanners have always existed, as well. And this is true for MechWarriors in the Inner Sphere also, with one of the most iconic examples being Natasha Kerensky, the 'Black Widow' herself.

[Norfleet]

Yeah... but we don't see that. Clanners have always all had different phenotypes without a real rhyme or reason, even within the same clan. The reasoning, from what I know, has always been that they are the descendants of the people that fled the Inner Sphere and now returned. As far as I can tell, ******* have always appeared as clanners and this is not a new thing.

I just attribute this mostly to people who haven't actually thought through the consequences of the fictional societies they create, so are just haphazardly copypasting people. Nobody thinks that they should create some actual Space Ethnicities or have them speak with Space Accents.

[Cipher]

Yeah... but we don't see that. Clanners have always all had different phenotypes without a real rhyme or reason, even within the same clan. The reasoning, from what I know, has always been that they are the descendants of the people that fled the Inner Sphere and now returned. As far as I can tell, ******* have always appeared as clanners and this is not a new thing.

I just attribute this mostly to people who haven't actually thought through the consequences of the fictional societies they create, so are just haphazardly copypasting people. Nobody thinks that they should create some actual Space Ethnicities or have them speak with Space Accents.

Exactly. The attempt the writers made for clanners to have "space accents" is that they never use contractions.

So, a clanner would always say: "I am ready." instead of "I'm ready." and "I will not" instead of "I won't." You get the idea. But, from what some folks have said, one of the clanners on the team uses contractions during a dialogue that is in the trailer for the game so...

But, yeah. The writers wanted a post-Earth galaxy that has all the ethnicities everywhere but didn't actually follow through on what that would mean.

[Norfleet]

Exactly. The attempt the writers made for clanners to have "space accents" is that they never use contractions.

The more plausible scenario is that they'd invent their own Space Contractions, where commonly used things become contracted into their own Space Contraction. Never Using Contractions just makes the language clunky, and you can't have clunky language when you need to issue orders quickly.

[Rand]

I just attribute this mostly to people who haven't actually thought through the consequences of the fictional societies they create, so are just haphazardly copypasting people. Nobody thinks that they should create some actual Space Ethnicities or have them speak with Space Accents.

The Expanse kind of did.
Doesn't go far enough to be believable, but they have weird patois languages and people from Mars look different from Earth people who also look different than belters.

[Rand]

As presented, having a ****** clanner alongside a white clanner makes "sense" within the lore, since it follows that line of the ****** clanner has one geneparent be a ******, or maybe even both and that's why he or she would look like a ******.

Not in a star. The whole point is that the members are closely genetically related so they have a tight bond and think similarly.
The black woman clearly does not share genes with the other four. She's an outsider and alien and that's not the Clan way to make units, iirc.

[Cipher]

As presented, having a ****** clanner alongside a white clanner makes "sense" within the lore, since it follows that line of the ****** clanner has one geneparent be a ******, or maybe even both and that's why he or she would look like a ******.

Not in a star. The whole point is that the members are closely genetically related so they have a tight bond and think similarly.
The black woman clearly does not share genes with the other four. She's an outsider and alien and that's not the Clan way to make units, iirc.

Ah, OK. I honestly don't really like the clans and I am a House Davion basic bro. So, I defer to your knowledge on this matter. All I knew is that ****** clanners are a thing, so I didn't thought twice about it. But, I didn't knew the inner workings of star formation configurations.

[Rand]

Ah, OK. I honestly don't really like the clans and I am a House Davion basic bro. So, I defer to your knowledge on this matter. All I knew is that ****** clanners are a thing, so I didn't thought twice about it. But, I didn't knew the inner workings of star formation configurations.

I haven't played since the Clans were first introduced, so either my memory could be wrong or they might have changed things in the decades since.