Various tabletop stuff not deserving its own thread

[WhiteShark]

Has anyone here ever played the WoW RPG? Looks like White Wold published it.

I only have this book, and I've never played it:



As the text at the bottom suggests, it uses the D&D 3.5 rules as its base. I checked to see what it had on trolls, but, to my surprise, I couldn't find a single mention thereof: they weren't in the races section, the Horde section, the independent factions section, the enemies section, nor the index. I haven't actually played the series; did they not exist before WoW?

[Manny V]

Has anyone here ever played the WoW RPG? Looks like White Wold published it.

I only have this book, and I've never played it:



As the text at the bottom suggests, it uses the D&D 3.5 rules as its base. I checked to see what it had on trolls, but, to my surprise, I couldn't find a single mention thereof: they weren't in the races section, the Horde section, the independent factions section, the enemies section, nor the index. I haven't actually played the series; did they not exist before WoW?

trolls helped the orcs in their invasion in parts of the first and second war (Warcraft 1 & 2), then the Darkspear Tribe officially joined them in Warcraft 3, so ye nah trolls have always been proper Horde ladz

scratch that i thought the jungle trolls were involved in Warcraft 1 but i guess not

[rusty_shackleford]

Has anyone here ever played the WoW RPG? Looks like White Wold published it.

I only have this book, and I've never played it:



As the text at the bottom suggests, it uses the D&D 3.5 rules as its base. I checked to see what it had on trolls, but, to my surprise, I couldn't find a single mention thereof: they weren't in the races section, the Horde section, the independent factions section, the enemies section, nor the index. I haven't actually played the series; did they not exist before WoW?

That book predates WoW, fwiw. The trolls appear in the monster manual: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Manual_of_Monsters

[LemonDemonGirl]

As the text at the bottom suggests, it uses the D&D 3.5 rules as its base. I checked to see what it had on trolls, but, to my surprise, I couldn't find a single mention thereof: they weren't in the races section, the Horde section, the independent factions section, the enemies section, nor the index. I haven't actually played the series; did they not exist before WoW?

There's Trolls in the Warcraft games, so no, there's always been trolls.

[Hauberk]

There were trolls at least from Warcraft II and onward. I don't think they were in the first one.

[Manny V]

There were trolls at least from Warcraft II and onward. I don't think they were in the first one.

Would've made sense for them to involve the jungle trolls in it though, since they have beef with Stormwind and the Darkspear end up joining the Horde later

[rusty_shackleford]

The "updated" version of Blades of the Iron Throne removed all the nude female art from the gamebook. The game is explicitly sword and sorcery.
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[DagothGeas5]

@Ratcatcher mentioning you as we were speaking of this.
I found the book that details how to become a lich while reading the Book of Necromancers, it is called Van Richten's Guide To The Lich.

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It was mentioned in the book you reminded me to check as the "go-to" for more info, and lo and behold, there the process was. Can't believe I missed this one.

In short it requires spells, inherent power from the mage plus more to be gathered (forbidden knowledge), and that potion I recall that kills the mage once they drink it (apparently made of pure evil). That the mage survive that potion is the ultimate test for their confidence and ability (CON check).
It also details the creation of a phylactery and also how liches that wish to remain absolutely secret, especially for the creation of such an important item, have to learn some metallurgy and crafting to build the item, though I recall it to be possible that the item may be other objects that, though, must reach a certain value in gold.

[DagothGeas5]

Sorry for double post, was reading what Shillitron said about Elminster that was both sad and disgusting to know (he talks about it here for anyone not knowing what I am talking about

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Ugh. Please don't compare me the the Whizzard of The Forgotten Realms.

Why the dislike towards him?

Remember that Elminster is a self-insert. So when he acts super creepy and disgusting as an old lecher trying **** all these young beautiful sorceresses, goddesses and barwenches (of which he is always successful of course, nobody ever see's him as just a creepy pervert) - That's not a character really - I think Ed is really betraying what he see's as "Alpha Old Man" energy.

If your just witty and polite enough - women will swoon. Elminster even often comments to women "oh I'm an old man - too old for you M'lady" to which they always rebuke him and make clear he's still a super sexy old fart - Yea sure Greenwood.. keep coping.

Never meet your hero's.

)
I did not know him much besides a few lines of wiki and some books where the character is either referenced, quoted or writes the books himself, but knowing that underlining made me recall about Mordekhainen (Mordekainen? Can't recall if it's with an "H", hope I spelled it correctly!). I heard he was a player's character that was then essentially taken from his creator, turned into an "NPC icon" for the "official sources" to use (with copyright), and the player was barred from using his own character because of it.
Is there somewhere truthful I could read more on what happened?

Edit: I had misspelled your name as "Shilltron", I am sorry XD @Shillitron

[Shillitron]

I did not know him much besides a few lines of wiki and some books where the character is either referenced, quoted or writes the books himself, but knowing that underlining made me recall about Mordekhainen (Mordekainen? Can't recall if it's with an "H", hope I spelled it correctly!). I heard he was a player's character that was then essentially taken from his creator, turned into an "NPC icon" for the "official sources" to use (with copyright), and the player was barred from using his own character because of it.
Is there somewhere truthful I could read more on what happened?

From the Wiki.


Mordenkainen is a fictional wizard from the World of Greyhawk campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. He was created by Gary Gygax as a player character,[1] only months after the start of Gygax's Greyhawk campaign and is therefore one of the oldest characters continuously associated with Dungeons & Dragons.[2]

Once Gygax was forced out of TSR, Inc., he lost creative control of Mordenkainen.[2] TSR then made Mordenkainen a powerful wizard with strong convictions against moral absolutes,[2] and the leader of the Circle of Eight, a cabal of eight powerful wizards.[3] In fiction associated with the World of Greyhawk, he has played diverse roles as both protagonist and antagonist.

[DagothGeas5]

I did not know him much besides a few lines of wiki and some books where the character is either referenced, quoted or writes the books himself, but knowing that underlining made me recall about Mordekhainen (Mordekainen? Can't recall if it's with an "H", hope I spelled it correctly!). I heard he was a player's character that was then essentially taken from his creator, turned into an "NPC icon" for the "official sources" to use (with copyright), and the player was barred from using his own character because of it.
Is there somewhere truthful I could read more on what happened?

From the Wiki.


Mordenkainen is a fictional wizard from the World of Greyhawk campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. He was created by Gary Gygax as a player character,[1] only months after the start of Gygax's Greyhawk campaign and is therefore one of the oldest characters continuously associated with Dungeons & Dragons.[2]

Once Gygax was forced out of TSR, Inc., he lost creative control of Mordenkainen.[2] TSR then made Mordenkainen a powerful wizard with strong convictions against moral absolutes,[2] and the leader of the Circle of Eight, a cabal of eight powerful wizards.[3] In fiction associated with the World of Greyhawk, he has played diverse roles as both protagonist and antagonist.

Thank you, it's strange I did not see that from the wiki I must have forgotten I read it (or read it only in passing).

[Acrux]

Basically all of the really famous mages (aka the Circle of Eight - most of those who have spells named after them) were from Gygax's game and were taken away from the group.

https://greyhawkonline.com/greyhawkwiki/Circle_of_Eight

[DagothGeas5]

Basically all of the really famous mages (aka the Circle of Eight - most of those who have spells named after them) were from Gygax's game and were taken away from the group.

https://greyhawkonline.com/greyhawkwiki/Circle_of_Eight

I am not too deep onto D&D's real-life story besides a few points, but to see your passion and characters forcibly taken away, getting kicked out, and then see those corporates run around with your thing and corrupting it with things such as self-insert and perversions must suck so much. Gary Gygax never striked me as a bad dude, and I recall the whole game started from stories and adventures his father did for him

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Recently took another look at the Mage Ascension 20th anniversary art book.I really miss the 90’s art style.

[UltraFan123]

There's a successful Kickstarter of a Christian tabletop game called "Deliverance" which was already funded several times over.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lo ... =user_menu
What brought my attention to this today is the fact that this particular game is on the receiving end of yet another coordinated woke attack, simply cuz it's a game inspired by Christianity. kek

Here's the full article if anyone's interested: https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/woke ... tian-board
I also want to add that this is reminding me of the so-called "Satanic Panic" involving the original DnD game decades ago, except that in the modern libtard-dominated society we're living in now, I reckon this is basically a "Christian Panic" from the perspective of the wokies. lol

[Yankee Zulu]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

[Jordy]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

Yes people still like board games, especially if they come with quality miniatures. Looking at that project, that's about 200 euros per-person which is crazy.

[WhiteShark]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

Yes people still like board games, especially if they come with quality miniatures. Looking at that project, that's about 200 euros per-person which is crazy.

This got over $12 million from less than 20,000 people:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/po ... monster-15
Around $643 per person.

[Finarfin]

I'd say boardgames are still a popular and valid way to spend time with friends and family. Tabletop RPGs on the other hand feel weird that more than half of them get backed.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Tabletop RPGs on the other hand feel weird that more than half of them get backed.

I’m curious why you think that.

[rusty_shackleford]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

[rusty_shackleford]

Valheim board game gathered 1.5 mln €. Are board games really that popular nowadays or is this just a rare case?
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mood- ... board-game

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

proofs:
https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/ad ... ed=2882381

barely any video games, have to go to the second page to find shenmue 3
tainted grail actually did a kikestarter for their boardgame then used the funds to make a video game

I have no idea what's going on: money laundering? idiots? people who get off on the idea of playing a game they'll never play? Who knows.
remember, sales outside of kikestarter are incredibly low.

WotC not getting in on this makes it even more suspicious.

[J-12]

I keep thinking about tabletop games that (most likely) not exist and how i'd have fun with friends i don't have.
Like this one game where the group are space-terrorists/mercenaries that have to plan and execute a destruction of space station, buy their choice of gear, chose which sectors of station to attack first, etc. Inspired by a game-mode from videogame SS13.

[WhiteShark]

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

I have no idea what's going on: money laundering? idiots? people who get off on the idea of playing a game they'll never play? Who knows.
remember, sales outside of kikestarter are incredibly low.

I think it's just that the market has shifted. Sharing pdfs is so trivial people don't even think of it as piracy. There's basically no taboo around copying game books. However, the GURPS fanbase wants to keep the game alive since they know it barely makes SJGames any money, and for some reason people still get hyped about new systems and creators, so there are a lot of people willing to crowdfund them. The standards of quality the typical tabletop """player""" has for an RPG system are very, very low.

[rusty_shackleford]

boardgames & tabletop RPGs get insane money on crowdfunding platforms to the point where it has become a significant source of Steve Jackson Games income strategy — they're the #2 most profitable tabletop RPG company AFAIK.
Outside of crowdfunding, barely any money is moving at all tho. I don't get it, maybe the kind of people who play these are really gullible?

I have no idea what's going on: money laundering? idiots? people who get off on the idea of playing a game they'll never play? Who knows.
remember, sales outside of kikestarter are incredibly low.

I think it's just that the market has shifted. Sharing pdfs is so trivial people don't even think of it as piracy. There's basically no taboo around copying game books. However, the GURPS fanbase wants to keep the game alive since they know it barely makes SJGames any money, and for some reason people still get hyped about new systems and creators, so there are a lot of people willing to crowdfund them. The standards of quality the typical tabletop """player""" has for an RPG system are very, very low.

we came to the conclusion in chat that people are buying these as display pieces with zero intention to play them, and I agree with that

[WhiteShark]

we came to the conclusion in chat that people are buying these as display pieces with zero intention to play them, and I agree with that

This is partially true, but it's more than that. They like to read them and ponder the cool new ideas and daydream about playing a game with them. They buy the idea of playing a game.

[rusty_shackleford]

we came to the conclusion in chat that people are buying these as display pieces with zero intention to play them, and I agree with that

This is partially true, but it's more than that. They like to read them and ponder the cool new ideas and daydream about playing a game with them. They buy the idea of playing a game.

buildfags must be exterminated

[Ratcatcher]

I have a fren that, over the years, backed at least half a dozen KS and adjacent projects + frequently scours comics conventions and such to procure weird, obscure gayme systems. We talked about trying a few of them, over the years, we actually only played one, for 4-5 sessions or so.

The only thing I disagree with is the intention part. Most really, really, REALLY want to play the weird le proud ****: 8-bit system, issue is normal people prefer to play a thematic D&D/PF campaign to a memetic RPG set in the donutsteal setting written by someone that probably has less than a thousand hours of actual tabletop play.

[WhiteShark]

buildfags must be exterminated

That's a different crowd. They're still playing 3.PF, in all likelihood. I'm talking about the easily bedazzled: the storygamers, the LARPers, the tourists, and the Critical Roll ****.

[Xenich]

Its like these cocksuckers know that orcs are *******.

Layered social programming. Thing is, they aren't sly about it anymore and they are applying it in a time where many are becoming aware of what they are doing.

Sometimes I am unsure if it is a campaign to demoralize or if it is simply the fact that these people are so inept they can't read the room so to speak.