The Dragon's Dogma 2 Thread

[pokafox]

Well ****, might go for another run.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/205497 ... 6231899160

[The_Mask]

Frame rates in areas with a lot of NPCs, such as town centers, should be improved.
In addition, turning the graphics settings to low should further improve frame rates.
Players on Steam can achieve the same results from changing their graphics settings.

You would think that having 12 years between releases and having CAPCOM money, that would be enough to ensure this kind of update would never happen.

They're using their own engine btw.

[DagothGeas5]

Could anyone tell me if the dialogue for Ogres is still present? The Ogres get "excited" when a female is present and chase after her specifically (with a desert version for males that I recall), but I fear this is something that might be "problematic" to that certain group of venomous colored people, and I did not ever hear dialogue mentioning any such information when I played and encountered such beasts. I don't want them to sneakily remove things like other developers (Bungie, for example, who removed the Guardian's different voices based on race and made them all have the gravely, but without filter, Exo voice. Even the Exo themselves were left with a human-sounding edited version of their voice until some people brought it up and they changed it back, this came with the Europa DLC. To add, the voice-actors themselves were not even warned they lost their roles as voice-actors since Destiny 1).

[Vergil]

You would think that having 12 years between releases and having CAPCOM money, that would be enough to ensure this kind of update would never happen.

You say Capcom money as if that's a help instead of a hindrance.

They're using their own engine btw.

Capcom is living up to their japanese EA reputation by forcing everyone to use an engine that was made for slow paced survival horror games where there's never more than like 6 characters on screen at once. Shades of DA:I and Andromeda on Frostbite.

[DJOGamer]

Well ****, might go for another run.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/205497 ... 6231899160

lol
"Casual Mode" when the base game already loses all it's difficulty past level 25-30
well I guess it's par on course with the first game as well (DD1 also got it's "Easy Mode" in an update almost 6 months after release)

still there's an impressive amount of fixes here
but more important are the Vocation rebalances
Archer gets the most significant buffs
and Thief gets a well deserved nerf - though imo they should've gone further with it (Formless Feint's stamina comsumption was left untouched)

my guess is they have a small team working on these updates, while the rest of the staff works on the DLC

[Vergil]

still there's an impressive amount of fixes here

Any of them actually functional though?

[DJOGamer]

still there's an impressive amount of fixes here

Any of them actually functional though?

everything I've seem so far points to yes

the only contentious issue is performance
some say their framerate has gone up by some 10fps, other say the stutter in vernworth still remains, others have been mocking the previous posters for being poorfags with no 7800X3Ds
all things considered, seems to be a case of "work on my machine"

[Vergil]

still there's an impressive amount of fixes here

Any of them actually functional though?

everything I've seem so far points to yes

the only contentious issue is performance
some say their framerate has gone up by some 10fps, other say the stutter in vernworth still remains, others have been mocking the previous posters for being poorfags with no 7800X3Ds
all things considered, seems to be a case of "work on my machine"

So yes except the important part

[DJOGamer]

It ultimately suffers from modern nihilism like most modern fantasy though. The refusal and/or incapability of clearly drawing a line between good and evil, heroes and vilains makes it dilute itself more and more as the story fails to find any true end goal despite more shocking gore and sex.

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

Golden Age is the only decent part

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga
also ultimately responsible for the "tonal shift" that fanboys love to bemoan

[DJOGamer]

Any of them actually functional though?

everything I've seem so far points to yes

the only contentious issue is performance
some say their framerate has gone up by some 10fps, other say the stutter in vernworth still remains, others have been mocking the previous posters for being poorfags with no 7800X3Ds
all things considered, seems to be a case of "work on my machine"

So yes except the important part

from my experience the stutter had been pretty done away with the June update
and I played the game on Low in a ****** laptop with a GTX 1160ti and 9th gen i7 (45 average fps)

[DJOGamer]

***** made DD2 into a glorified remake of DD1, complete with the same environments, same monsters, same abilities, and the same gay unfinished story.

More of a reboot really
The enviroments are quite distinct - Gransys is inspired high medieval France with a more Mediterranean flavour; Vermund is inspired in the British Isles and Batthal in Northern Africa
Both monsters and abilities have been extensively reworked
And the story while unfinished is thematically divergent

He was even petty enough to ditch every good idea that was brought in with the Bitterblack Isle expansion because he wasn't the one who made it.

Citation needed...

[Vergil]

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga

It's the only good part (and even then needs a lot of editing and removal of content) and Griffith is a better protagonist than Guts.

[Boontaker]

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga

It's the only good part (and even then needs a lot of editing and removal of content) and Griffith is a better protagonist than Guts.

Griffith sold his booty hole

[rusty_shackleford]

I didn't like the first game because it was so story lite and became very repetitive after only a dozen hours or so, doubt I'd like this one either even with the performance fixed.

[pokafox]

Well didn't have high hopes tbh but am shocked to report that performance is indeed fixed for me in cities !

edit they're having a -43% sale on Steam now

[Manny V]

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga

It's the only good part (and even then needs a lot of editing and removal of content) and Griffith is a better protagonist than Guts.

what's your obsession with ******* with white hair

[Vergil]

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga

It's the only good part (and even then needs a lot of editing and removal of content) and Griffith is a better protagonist than Guts.

Griffith sold his booty hole

Didn't happen.

But if it did its another example of the inherent degeneracy and gross nature of the series and the weird **** who wrote it. I think creating something as beautiful as Griffith and then deciding to write something so profane happening to him is little kid killing animals tier sign of mental derangement and he should have been punished legally for it. Hypothetically.

"Nihilism" truly has become just another buzzword
just because the protagonist isn't a "nice guy", does not mean the work lacks a moral character nor a clear antagonist
and the goal of the story had been firmly set on the very chapter - Guts personal struggle against causality (i.e. Fate)

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

literally the most overrated, boring and overall the worst arc of the manga

It's the only good part (and even then needs a lot of editing and removal of content) and Griffith is a better protagonist than Guts.

what's your obsession with ******* with white hair

I like beautiful men and find his drive/force of will inspiring.
As for why white hair specifically I'm really not sure. I think it's a mixture of nostalgia for things like Devil May Cry and the fact I like blonds which can sometimes be light enough to look white.

[DJOGamer]

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

But if it did its another example of the inherent degeneracy and gross nature of the series and the weird **** who wrote it. I think creating something as beautiful as Griffith and then deciding to write something so profane happening to him is little kid killing animals tier sign of mental derangement and he should have been punished legally for it. Hypothetically.

This criticism is on the level of "anything that triggers my snowflake sensibilities is bad and needs to be cancelled" whinning

For one, the entire appeal of grimdark media stems from its emphasis on adversity, psychological trauma and death imagery
It's these elements that produce catharsis and none of them are inherently "misanthropic"

Nor does Berserk use them to send a misanthropic message

All the death motifs are essentially a form of "Memento Mori" (a practice of negative visualization meditation, by focusing on the reality of Death) - which invites reflection and reminds the audience that their choices in life matter
In Berserk this is also tied with the theme of Guts struggle agaisnt causality and also shines a spotlight on the consequences of violence and war

The presence of all this violence and death, funnel into the psychological aspect of the story
It leaves the characters in a "raw" state, their desires and motivations exposed, very human characters overall
This lends realism to the narrative regardless of the supernatural elements
Miura also had the clever idea of tying the intensity of the supernatural manifestation to the spiritual condition of humanity - i.e. the hold of the forces of darkness over the lands is ultimately a consequence of the storm of moral failings created by the characters

The excessive adversity echos the key idea of Stoicism - which in it's original context was developed as a way for someone to reconcile with the notion that the world is a deeply chaotic place, that no matter your station in life, the world will try its best to destroy you should you not adapt to overcome it
This further highlights the consequential nature of the story
Plus it means the protagonists victories are hard-fought and infrequent, which make them all the more satisfying
Despite all of this, there's still plenty moments of levity in Berserk

By the way, "outward beauty = inward ugliness" is an ancient trope employed by countless of great writers, nothing deranged or degenerate about it

[Vergil]

That's great and all but the constant emphasis on how awful the world and 99% of people in it while depicted graphic sexual violence even to children is pretty misanthropic at best.

But if it did its another example of the inherent degeneracy and gross nature of the series and the weird **** who wrote it. I think creating something as beautiful as Griffith and then deciding to write something so profane happening to him is little kid killing animals tier sign of mental derangement and he should have been punished legally for it. Hypothetically.

This criticism is on the level of "anything that triggers my snowflake sensibilities is bad and needs to be cancelled" whinning

For one, the entire appeal of grimdark media stems from its emphasis on adversity, psychological trauma and death imagery
It's these elements that produce catharsis and none of them are inherently "misanthropic"

Nor does Berserk use them to send a misanthropic message

All the death motifs are essentially a form of "Memento Mori" (a practice of negative visualization meditation, by which focuses one on the reality of Death) - which remind the audience that their choices in life matter
In Berserk this is also tied with the theme of Guts struggle agaisnt causality and also shines a spotlight on the consequences of violence and war

The presence of all this violence and death, funnel into the psychological aspect of the story
It leaves the characters in a "raw" state, their desires and motivations exposed, very human characters overall
This lends realism to the narrative regardless of the supernatural elements
Miura also had the clever idea of tying the intensity of the supernatural manifestation to the spiritual condition of humanity - i.e. the hold of the forces of darkness over the lands is ultimately a consequence of the storm of moral failings created by the characters

The excessive adversity echos the key idea of something like Stoicism - which in it's original context was developed as a way for someone to reconcile with the notion that the world is a deeply chaotic place, that no matter your station in life will try its best to destroy should you not adapt to overcome it
This further highlights the consequential nature of the story
Plus it means the protagonists victories are hard-fought and infrequent, which make them all the more satisfying
Still despite all of this, there's more levity in Berserk than many classic works of tragedy

And by the way, "outward beauty = inward ugliness" is an ancient trope employed by countless of great writers, nothing deranged or degenerate about it

Not reading any of this but things that I don't like shouldn't exist.

[DJOGamer]

things that I don't like shouldn't exist.

Too bad, they do
Find a way to cope with that fact or be condemned to seethe at it until the day you expire

This also a theme in Berserk

[Vergil]

things that I don't like shouldn't exist.

Too bad, they do
Find a way to cope with that fact or be condemned to seethe at it until the day you expire

This also a theme in Berserk

Huh? What do you mean by that?

[DJOGamer]

I didn't like the first game because it was so story lite and became very repetitive after only a dozen hours or so, doubt I'd like this one either even with the performance fixed.

If you don't like combat focused ARPGs, then don't bother

[DJOGamer]

If anyone is interested to try out mods, here's the basic requeriments for most REngine mods (yes this applies even to other REngine games), it's quite easy:


Fluffy Mod Manager

► Installation

If you have experience modding Betheseda games, you will be familiar with this kind of program

* Extract the mod manager anywhere (if you're upgrading from an old version, simply extract it over the older version).
* Run the mod manager once and choose Dragon's Dogma 2 as game.
* You can drag'n'drop mods in PAK format onto the mod manager window while it's running to copy them to the mod manager OR manually copy mods to "[modmanager]\Games\DragonsDogma2_Chara\Mods"
* Click on mods in the mod list to install them. Click again to uninstall.

REFramework

► Installation

Modding tool/framework with a powerful scripting API using Lua.
Comes with FreeCam, Timescale, FOV, VR, and tools for script/mod developers.

To install, simply extract dinput8.dll from the zip file into your Dragon's Dogma 2 game install folder.

If you have an interest in modding Dragon's Dogma II, here's a quick guide.

[Yankee Zulu]

A working build from Feb 2024 without denuvo has been leaked. Available on torrents.

https://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... a&start=90

PS you need to register on that site to access the download links.

[rusty_shackleford]

***** made DD2 into a glorified remake of DD1, complete with the same environments, same monsters, same abilities, and the same gay unfinished story. He was even petty enough to ditch every good idea that was brought in with the Bitterblack Isle expansion because he wasn't the one who made it.

These posts are very funny when you know more about the game tbh

[Finarfin]

***** made DD2 into a glorified remake of DD1, complete with the same environments, same monsters, same abilities, and the same gay unfinished story. He was even petty enough to ditch every good idea that was brought in with the Bitterblack Isle expansion because he wasn't the one who made it.

These posts are very funny when you know more about the game tbh

Enlighten us.

[rusty_shackleford]

***** made DD2 into a glorified remake of DD1, complete with the same environments, same monsters, same abilities, and the same gay unfinished story. He was even petty enough to ditch every good idea that was brought in with the Bitterblack Isle expansion because he wasn't the one who made it.

These posts are very funny when you know more about the game tbh

Enlighten us.

I've timestamped the video.


What do you notice missing from the title drop?

The game starts with a Dragon's Dogma title drop.
You don't get a Dragon's Dogma II title drop until you do the 'alternate' ending.
https://dragonsdogma2.wiki.fextralife.c ... ored World

It is, however, not as fleshed out as it should be. I suspect they're probably going to have a big DLC.

[wndrbr]

So what's so funny about that post?

[The_Mask]

[ArcaneLurker]

pretty misanthropic at best.

You're one of the most misanthropic people I know though.

But if it did its another example of the inherent degeneracy and gross nature of the series and the weird **** who wrote it. I think creating something as beautiful as Griffith and then deciding to write something so profane happening to him is little kid killing animals tier sign of mental derangement and he should have been punished legally for it. Hypothetically.

He's someone that will do anything to win power, including selling himself. That's a legitimate character trait, which is also central to the plot.
There are many beautiful people like that irl, who will do anything for money, fame, power.
He prioritises his ambition over his dignity. Just like he prioritises his life & goals over his friends.
Berserk isn't about escapism, but recognising how ****** things can seem, and emphasising that grimness, instilling a will to endure the anguish, for the sake of the good, innocent or lovable.
Although you're right about the author probably being a degenerate. Not sure how to reconcile this.

***** made DD2 into a glorified remake of DD1, complete with the same environments, same monsters, same abilities, and the same gay unfinished story. He was even petty enough to ditch every good idea that was brought in with the Bitterblack Isle expansion because he wasn't the one who made it.

These posts are very funny when you know more about the game tbh

What part of
"Finish the cycle of eternal returns"
do they not understand?