All modders are parasitic losers?

[Statesman]

No it isn't. If you are unable to make money because of your laziness or inability you are bound to live a parasitic lifestyle. If you cannot even comprehend this simple logical connection, there is no reason for me to entertain your garbage here any further.

Are we still talking about modders? Modding is a hobby (within the videogame context) and practicing a hobby has no correlation with an individual's ability to make money. And thus that "logical connection" has no inherence in the topic being discussed. Unless you happen to have a source that implies most modders have never had a profession or made any money in their lives.

Earning a lot of money is identical to 'an actual contribution to society' or at least it is that way in the utopian case.

The thing you might have missed is that...we don't live an utopia. And thus remuneration is not identical to contribution.

But what has that even to do with the argument? Absolutely ******* nothing!

In my opinion, nothing! As I've stated several times, modding in general has nothing to do with money, except indirectly as my personal threshold for when modders do cross your so called "horizon": making exclusively paid mods (in case you forgot that line from my first reply). You are the one that keeps bringing it on over and over for some reason.

[Decline]

Are we still talking about modders?

Apparently not anymore, apparently we now have to discuss your stupid communist ideas because you are too stupid to understand why communism is stupid. I would like to return to the modder question.

Modding is a hobby (within the videogame context) and practicing a hobby has no correlation with an individual's ability to make money.

Dude, you still do not understand the argument or actually I think you are unwilling to understand it.

Let's cut this short: If you are unable to earn money you are forced to lead a parasitic life. Do you agree with that statement, yes or no?

modding in general has nothing to do with money,

Yes and I have stated several times now that your opinion is wrong because you are a a communist. I don't even know what else to tell you.

[OnTilt]

The only thing good thing about this thread is that it became really clear that @Decline is spiritually Jewish.

[Statesman]

I would like to return to the modder question.

Good, so can you now finally expand on how modding devalues developer work? You for some reason left that modder-related question hanging.

Dude, you still do not understand the argument or actually I think you are unwilling to understand it.

Let's cut this short: If you are unable to earn money you are forced to lead a parasitic life. Do you agree with that statement, yes or no?

Didn't you just say you want to return to the "modder question"? You just can't stop thinking about money So is it cultural, genetic or religious?

[Decline]

The only thing good thing about this thread is that it backed really clear that @Decline is spiritually Jewish.

Spiritually jewish. You don't even know what Jewish even is. Just shut the **** up and go away.

[Decline]

I would like to return to the modder question.

Good, so can you now finally expand on how modding devalues developer work? You for some reason left that modder-related question hanging.

Dude, you still do not understand the argument or actually I think you are unwilling to understand it.

Let's cut this short: If you are unable to earn money you are forced to lead a parasitic life. Do you agree with that statement, yes or no?

Didn't you just say you want to return to the "modder question"? You just can't stop thinking about money So is it cultural, genetic or religious?

You know what. You **** me off. You go away.

[Nooneatall]

You are right, going from "modders are parasitic losers, that because of inherent inability and/or lazyness cannot create real games and cannot make money off of their supposed talent" to "having an outcome with your profession so as to not live parasitically off the society that supports you" is not just modifying your argument, but completely changing the subject.

No it isn't. If you are unable to make money because of your laziness or inability you are bound to live a parasitic lifestyle. If you cannot even comprehend this simple logical connection, there is no reason for me to entertain your garbage here any further.

But hey, if you see nothing wrong with admitting how much you value monetary compensation over actual contributions to society...then there is no need to dwell on it.

Earning a lot of money is identical to 'an actual contribution to society' or at least it is that way in the utopian case. But what has that even to do with the argument? Absolutely ******* nothing!

Apparently you struggle with comprehending even simple sentences. So let's try an example: @Brother Chad. He is fairly ideal: He is a one-man-game-shop. He could be a lazy parasitic loser doing total conversion mods. But he isn't. He decided to make his own games. For that he needs to be paid, otherwise he cannot continue. Can you understand this? And while pondering this, is Brother Chad making 'a contribution to society'?

You ******* communist.

Did someone say unable and lazy?

[Decline]

Did someone say unable and lazy?

It draws the commies and **** in like moths to the flame. "I have been found out!"

[Statesman]

I would like to return to the modder question.

Good, so can you now finally expand on how modding devalues developer work? You for some reason left that modder-related question hanging.

Dude, you still do not understand the argument or actually I think you are unwilling to understand it.

Let's cut this short: If you are unable to earn money you are forced to lead a parasitic life. Do you agree with that statement, yes or no?

Didn't you just say you want to return to the "modder question"? You just can't stop thinking about money So is it cultural, genetic or religious?

You know what. You **** me off. You go away.

An anonymous user just sent me a picture of the exact moment when @Decline was building up the courage to type that reply

[LemonDemonGirl]

Lmao what a little *****

[Statesman]

Lmao what a little *****

[LemonDemonGirl]

Why they **** do you think I have him ignored?

[Decline]

... and after the Communists the place was swarmed with women who were ready to sell themselves.

This forum is very very sick and it will fall soon.

[rusty_shackleford]

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

... and after the Communists the place was swarmed with women who were ready to sell themselves.

This forum is very very sick and it will fall soon.

[A Chinese opium den]

Society has agreed upon measuring value in money many thousand years ago. That is the world we live in. What are you going to do about it? Call it Jewish?

Quite literally yes.

[LemonDemonGirl]

... and after the Communists the place was swarmed with women who were ready to sell themselves.

This forum is very very sick and it will fall soon.

"Women who want to sell themselves"

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

So you're fundamentally defining social value as money. Okay.

No, I am not defining anything. Society has agreed upon measuring value in money many thousand years ago. That is the world we live in. What are you going to do about it? Call it Jewish?

Sounds pretty Jewish to me.

[Vergil]

Society has agreed upon measuring value in money many thousand years ago.

lol

[Decline]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

[herkzter]

anything that's worth experiencing or having takes effort and time to make. this includes anything of note from any hobbyist communities. getting money from hobbies you are sincerely passionate about is a secondary concern at most - it may feed into your job skills, but otherwise making money from something you are passionate about, whether if it's painting during your free time or working on mods, again, it is a secondary concern at most, especially considering that most people who tend to have these specific kinds of hobbies *are* financially stable

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

[rusty_shackleford]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

If you want people to start making a wage from their hobbies, I'd suggest beginning with donating the wages for around a thousand hours of time for an american programmer to the HQ.

[Vergil]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

Why did you format this so gayly?

[herkzter]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

how in the seven hells did people questioning your position on the merit of doing things you actually like for free cause this kind of nonsense lmao

[Decline]

anything that's worth experiencing or having takes effort and time to make. this includes anything of note from any hobbyist communities. getting money from hobbies you are sincerely passionate about is a secondary concern at most - it may feed into your job skills, but otherwise making money from something you are passionate about, whether if it's painting during your free time or working on mods, again, it is a secondary concern at most, especially considering that most people who tend to have these specific kinds of hobbies *are* financially stable

That is a very fancy fairytale you tell yourself but it is a fairytale nonetheless.

If you are modding as a hobby besides your job, fine I guess. But it will always be limited to fancy new items and other frivolous things. You will not have the time to commit for anything real. You will never be able to give it your all, your best. It will always play the second, third whatever fiddle. So you have two options. You quit your job and work on it for real. But then it cannot be modding. Because that is not allowed. You have to make your own game and earn money with it. Or, alternatively, you stick with the situation and attempt to do something greater and better but which you can't give your everything. It will always fall short. And that will gnaw at the back of your brain. And eventually you will go insane.

That is what you say just doesn't work.

And lets be honest here: Most modders are useless bums that haven't done any work in years, if ever.

[Decline]

If you want people to start making a wage from their hobbies, I'd suggest beginning with donating the wages for around a thousand hours of time for an american programmer to the HQ.

No. 10 bucks for registration and posting rights. And then you hire a programmer.
****, let's make it 20 bucks.
Stop begging and sell something.
A good opportunity to get rid of that ridiculous donation button.

[Tweed]

Lol he wants to turn the place into Something Awful.

We all know how well that ended for the website and for the founder.

[ArcaneLurker]

Lol he wants to turn the place into Something Awful.

We all know how well that ended for the website and for the founder.

Nope, first time I've heard of this site. Go on...

[A Chinese opium den]

Rusty, I like you. Well, maybe I don't like you. But I don't hate you. But you see... you are naive.

People like Statesmen or the demon girl, they do not belong. They should not be here.

And you know that is the truth. Deep in your heart you know that is the truth.
We are made in the image of God and God is the truth. The truth is always in our hearts.

Yet you decide to overrule your heart.
You admit the lie.
Because you cling to this fantastical idea of 'freedom of speech' or at least that is what you tell yourself.

There is no 'freedom of speech'. It is an illusion.
The reality is that these people, they live the lie. They breathe the lie. They are the lie.
Any freedom you give these people they will corrupt it and use it against you. And us.
They want to destroy. And that is why there cannot be 'freedom of speech'. Because it will inevitably lead to the destruction of what is.

And you know that is the truth as well. But you decide it isn't so.

This place has gone from a hopeful fresh start to the verge of destruction in 1 1/2 years.
In the same time it has made the news and is now besieged by enemies from all sides.
I guess it is an expected cycle?

Do you really think the enemy will not send his people here? To destroy this place from within?

Don't be naive.

I only ever warn once.

Saying this website is on the verge of destruction right now seems a bit melodramatic.