Mass Effect series.

[KOS-MOS]

A missed opportunity, this series. I don't remember playing 3, only the controversy about it. I forgot what was 2 and 3. Should have ended in space feudalism and a draw with the Reapers.

Honestly looking back ME 3 ending was the least of its issues (gameplay, story, characters, dialogue) was a noticeable downgrade. However the moments where it shined were really good especially some overarching story arcs for certain romances and non romantic character developments.

ME2 was enjoyable, but let's be honest—the plot didn't make any sense and ultimately didn't contribute to the overall story. I suspect the ME3 plot felt rushed because ME2 didn't advance the narrative, forcing them to squeeze the story of two games into one.

[Brother Michael]

Aliens can't be gay.

You deny nothing, then.

Turian biology will kill humans you cannot be gay with Garrus it's a physical impossibility. Do you need me to deny having 8 arms and a Venus fly trap for a head too?

How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?

[Vergil]

You deny nothing, then.

Turian biology will kill humans you cannot be gay with Garrus it's a physical impossibility. Do you need me to deny having 8 arms and a Venus fly trap for a head too?

How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?

But I did go down on your mother this morning

[maidenhaver]

A missed opportunity, this series.

They should rewrite everything from Sauren's betrayal to the ******** council meeting in the beginning, let alone Reapers or whatever comes after in the sequels.

I replayed 1 so many times, became a fanboy for this stupid series, just to watch it scatter in stupid directions. Whoever made 2 wanted a Firefly game.

[maidenhaver]

2 was basically an isekai.

[Brother Michael]

Turian biology will kill humans you cannot be gay with Garrus it's a physical impossibility. Do you need me to deny having 8 arms and a Venus fly trap for a head too?

How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?

But I did go down on your mother this morning

Whatever you were doing, you were thinking about Garrus the whole time, you big queen.

[Vergil]

How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?

But I did go down on your mother this morning

Whatever you were doing, you were thinking about Garrus the whole time, you big queen.

If you're saying your mom is like Garrus you have a cool *** mom bro

[Brother Michael]

But I did go down on your mother this morning

Whatever you were doing, you were thinking about Garrus the whole time, you big queen.

If you're saying your mom is like Garrus you have a cool *** mom bro

Guessing you’re going to start adding pics of Garrus to your fagwatch archive thread?

[maidenhaver]

@Classix

[Vergil]

Whatever you were doing, you were thinking about Garrus the whole time, you big queen.

If you're saying your mom is like Garrus you have a cool *** mom bro

Guessing you’re going to start adding pics of Garrus to your fagwatch archive thread?

You are really committed to imagining me lusting over Garrus today.

[Brother Michael]

If you're saying your mom is like Garrus you have a cool *** mom bro

Guessing you’re going to start adding pics of Garrus to your fagwatch archive thread?

You are really committed to imagining me lusting over Garrus today.

Are you going to deny it?

[Vergil]

Guessing you’re going to start adding pics of Garrus to your fagwatch archive thread?

You are really committed to imagining me lusting over Garrus today.

Are you going to deny it?

Would you believe me anyway if I did?

[Brother Michael]

You are really committed to imagining me lusting over Garrus today.

Are you going to deny it?

Would you believe me anyway if I did?

[Vergil]

Are you going to deny it?

Would you believe me anyway if I did?

Gonna be hard to keep baiting replies with this one but I'll give it a shot

[Irenaeus]

Such a bad game

[Lhynn]

A missed opportunity, this series. I don't remember playing 3, only the controversy about it. I forgot what was 2 and 3. Should have ended in space feudalism and a draw with the Reapers.

Honestly looking back ME 3 ending was the least of its issues (gameplay, story, characters, dialogue) was a noticeable downgrade. However the moments where it shined were really good especially some overarching story arcs for certain romances and non romantic character developments.

ME2 was enjoyable, but let's be honest—the plot didn't make any sense and ultimately didn't contribute to the overall story. I suspect the ME3 plot felt rushed because ME2 didn't advance the narrative, forcing them to squeeze the story of two games into one.

ME3 is predicated on a ME2 paid DLC. Its kind of baffling.

[Brother Michael]

Honestly looking back ME 3 ending was the least of its issues (gameplay, story, characters, dialogue) was a noticeable downgrade. However the moments where it shined were really good especially some overarching story arcs for certain romances and non romantic character developments.

ME2 was enjoyable, but let's be honest—the plot didn't make any sense and ultimately didn't contribute to the overall story. I suspect the ME3 plot felt rushed because ME2 didn't advance the narrative, forcing them to squeeze the story of two games into one.

ME3 is predicated on a ME2 paid DLC. Its kind of baffling.

If you don’t import with that dlc, you are charged for working with Cerberus instead.

Edit: Just remembered what the point of the DLC was and you’re right. I was just distracted by fond memories of killing 300,000 Batarians.

[Vergil]

If you don’t import with that dlc, you are charged for working with Cerberus instead.

I love how they pussied out and instead of just telling people who didn't get the DLC "Ah yea btw this happened" players who didn't play the DLC can just side step the whole genocide thing entirely.

[Bing_xiLim]

A missed opportunity, this series. I don't remember playing 3, only the controversy about it. I forgot what was 2 and 3. Should have ended in space feudalism and a draw with the Reapers.

Honestly looking back ME 3 ending was the least of its issues (gameplay, story, characters, dialogue) was a noticeable downgrade. However the moments where it shined were really good especially some overarching story arcs for certain romances and non romantic character developments.

ME2 was enjoyable, but let's be honest—the plot didn't make any sense and ultimately didn't contribute to the overall story. I suspect the ME3 plot felt rushed because ME2 didn't advance the narrative, forcing them to squeeze the story of two games into one.

One has to wonder exactly how the **** ME2's plot came to be. It's funny how so many people **** on ME1 for being the most clunky and outdated, yet despite all that, it had a far more enjoyable, sensible story.

[rusty_shackleford]

Accepting that ME2 is the worst of the trilogy is the first step towards true ascendance.

[Vergil]

Honestly looking back ME 3 ending was the least of its issues (gameplay, story, characters, dialogue) was a noticeable downgrade. However the moments where it shined were really good especially some overarching story arcs for certain romances and non romantic character developments.

ME2 was enjoyable, but let's be honest—the plot didn't make any sense and ultimately didn't contribute to the overall story. I suspect the ME3 plot felt rushed because ME2 didn't advance the narrative, forcing them to squeeze the story of two games into one.

One has to wonder exactly how the **** ME2's plot came to be. It's funny how so many people **** on ME1 for being the most clunky and outdated, yet despite all that, it had a far more enjoyable, sensible story.

Mass Effect 2 reeks of a game that was entirely made up of whiteboard ideas that they quickly had to slap a story around. Oh we KILL the protagonist in the first scene! Oh there's a suicide mission where ANYONE could die! You're part of a faction that operates outside of the law! etc etc
If I recall correctly multiple devs have come out and said the game was basically built around the suicide mission concept which kind of creates a problem when all your characters have to be expendable.

[rusty_shackleford]

This is what happens when you tie your game to ridiculous 'save the world/galaxy/universe!' etc., plots. You don't get to have fun.

[Vergil]

Accepting that ME2 is the worst of the trilogy is the first step towards true ascendance.

ME3 is easily the worst but I will extend an olive branch that part of the reason it's so bad is having to do a hard course correct after ME2 decided to **** off from the main plot.

[Magick]

Such a bad game

lol I love Tali, but of course she is still a woman, and has to do the snarky reply at the end.

[Irenaeus]

This is what happens when you tie your game to ridiculous 'save the world/galaxy/universe!' etc., plots. You don't get to have fun.

That's the issue with this whole franchise. It tries too hard to be epic.

Everything is so cliche, coming from Star Control 2 to this piece of **** is such a downgrade. The shooting parts are boring.

[Bing_xiLim]

Mass Effect 2 reeks of a game that was entirely made up of whiteboard ideas that they quickly had to slap a story around. Oh we KILL the protagonist in the first scene! Oh there's a suicide mission where ANYONE could die! You're part of a faction that operates outside of the law! etc etc
If I recall correctly multiple devs have come out and said the game was basically built around the suicide mission concept which kind of creates a problem when all your characters have to be expendable.

Wtf that actually is as ******** as I thought it would be. I mean, I guess it sounds cool... for the first few seconds. How the **** did that fly? You would think killing off the main character is something that would be well discussed and scrutinised before being green-lit.

If anything, I think Shepard's "death", would have been a much better utilised as a plot device for a post-ME3 game. It would have been a good "reset". No reapers. No race against the time armageddon bs. A smaller-scale, but more coherent and well-told story, with a stronger focus on world-building, exploration and immersion.

ME3 is easily the worst but I will extend an olive branch that part of the reason it's so bad is having to do a hard course correct after ME2 decided to **** off from the main plot.

This is exactly what it felt like to me. The entire game's story suffered drastically due to ME2.

Accepting that ME2 is the worst of the trilogy is the first step towards true ascendance.

This is what happens when you tie your game to ridiculous 'save the world/galaxy/universe!' etc., plots. You don't get to have fun.

I feel more strongly about this the more I think about it. Note that this is coming from someone who played the trilogy in 2018.

I remember being enamoured by ME1 - despite its flaws, I was super immersed and relished in soaking in the world around me. ME2 was also great, but the story was such a whiplash I kept asking thinking "why the **** would you do this"? ME3 was more polished in its gameplay but the story suffered from having to move everything at breakneck speed and like you said, the "save the universe" BS meant the game's saving grace were the various story arcs that were concluded.

Ultimately, I still enjoyed the trilogy, but ******* hell is it a mess. ME3 in particular felt so rushed and sloppy, I wonder what you guys felt like playing that back in 2012. I was left unsatisfied.

The only way forward for ME4 (excluding the shite that is Andromeda), is a full-reset. Go back to basics. No more ******* reapers or end-of-the-world ********. Give me a coherent, logical story and allow the world and the characters to shine. But this is the current BioWare I'm talking about, so I guess there's no hope?

[Brother Michael]

I’m wondering why they felt the need to go the route they did with Andromeda, avoiding everything about the Milky Way/reapers. A spin off as a mercenary in a place like Omega, choosing which race to play as with a well written crew, it just goes from there. Did no one think of this?

[rusty_shackleford]

I’m wondering why they felt the need to go the route they did with Andromeda, avoiding everything about the Milky Way/reapers. A spin off as a mercenary in a place like Omega, choosing which race to play as with a well written crew, it just goes from there. Did no one think of this?

Because REAAPPPEEEERRSSS are too important to the story to do much of anything else. A hypothetical ME4 is going to end up being a prequel because they're too big of ***** to just split the timeline at the end of ME1.
I say hypothetical because failguard is probably going to kill bioware.

[Magick]

This is what happens when you tie your game to ridiculous 'save the world/galaxy/universe!' etc., plots. You don't get to have fun.

That's the issue with this whole franchise. It tries too hard to be epic.

Everything is so cliche, coming from Star Control 2 to this piece of **** is such a downgrade. The shooting parts are boring.

I didn't mind the combat in #1. I liked being able to customise my character and fully immerse myself. I also liked the distinction between the "RPG" story parts (being the main game), and then going in on a planet and shooting things as a specops dude to get to where I needed to advance the story. Even the Mako was kinda fun, if a little clunky. Fun to zoom around exploring stuff, finding a random camp, deciding how to take it out, (snipe from the hills, or charge in?), getting loot etc. on interesting different planets.
The biotics made things very interesting, where before I entered a room, I'd "plan out" what I was going to do, allocating targets and skills, lift one, push another, stasis another, etc. etc. Very tactical Rainbow-six style. Then charged in, used my offensive skills and pewpewed the rest.
Just the samey environments (asset reuse) and bioshock-esque repeated dialogue "I WILL DESTROY YOU!" was meh.

That was why #2 was so **** for me in comparison. Gone was the infinite ammo (made things different), now it was a standard CoD / GoW style chest-high wall shooter, just pewpewing and blasting an offensive skill or two. It's why I tweaked the cooldowns on the biotics (though couldn't stop them being "shared" ), the tactical gameplay was gone, now it was just a **** arena shooter with a tacked-on story.


I didn't mind the reaper plot too much, in ME1 at least. The whole "ancient prophecy, looming evil" thing was ok, and having to explore, investigate and gather information throughout my travels to find out the scale of the threat, I found interesting. It just completely dropped the ball in #2, and I have yet to even play #3. They clearly had a good start, but just couldn't carry it on.
More of ME1 with a graphical update, better enemy dialogue / AI and less asset reuse would have been lovely, but nope, we had to "appeal to modern audiences"..

[Vergil]

I did and still greatly do enjoy Mass Effect 2 but it's so disconnected from the game that came before you could swap some names around and it would work as a spin off in the Mass Effect universe.