Loghain was the good guy, actually.

[BosanskiSeljak]

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TES3 MORROWIND pwns the rest easy with 42 pts vs 29 second place dragon age which sucked in my opinion. whats with the leilana companion looking exacly like imoen from baldurs gate 2? also the main enemy is just a tired stand in for orcs Guess they were fresh out of ideas!

Is it possible to vote for morrowind five times lol @jordy

The darkspawn were a backdrop macro threat to the actual adventure dealing with the Antagonist, Loghain.

[Big Red Dog]

Looks like Im on the right site!!
TES3 MORROWIND pwns the rest easy with 42 pts vs 29 second place dragon age which sucked in my opinion. whats with the leilana companion looking exacly like imoen from baldurs gate 2? also the main enemy is just a tired stand in for orcs Guess they were fresh out of ideas!

Is it possible to vote for morrowind five times lol @jordy

The darkspawn were a backdrop macro threat to the actual adventure dealing with the Antagonist, Loghain.

did you play the game?

[BosanskiSeljak]

Looks like Im on the right site!!
TES3 MORROWIND pwns the rest easy with 42 pts vs 29 second place dragon age which sucked in my opinion. whats with the leilana companion looking exacly like imoen from baldurs gate 2? also the main enemy is just a tired stand in for orcs Guess they were fresh out of ideas!

Is it possible to vote for morrowind five times lol @jordy

The darkspawn were a backdrop macro threat to the actual adventure dealing with the Antagonist, Loghain.

did you play the game?

Yes, and my point stands.

The cliche "big bad horde will ruin the world" in the darkspawn provides a nice backdrop to the the personal threat of Loghain. Without the darkspawn, the stakes would be lower and all challenges faced because of him pale in comparison. Darkspawn tie the story together, but are not the main antagonist.

[Big Red Dog]

The cliche "big bad horde will ruin the world" in the darkspawn provides a nice backdrop to the the personal threat of Loghain. Without the darkspawn, the stakes would be lower and all challenges faced because of him pale in comparison. Darkspawn tie the story together, but are not the main antagonist.

loghain isn't a threat he's a ****** that fucks up the battle because he thinks he's a 9000 iq ultragenius then he sits in his castle doing nothing threatening to the main character

if i go to the store to buy groceries and some ****** shits on the floor in the dairy isle and i have to wait 10 min for the jannies to mop it up my shopping trip isn't a backdrop to the floor shitter. my goal is to buy groceries, my purpose is to buy groceries, my intent is to buy groceries, the ****** making that harder does not make the ****** my true goal. stop watching video essays about how humans are the real monsters

[rusty_shackleford]

loghain was right btw

[rusty_shackleford]

loghain was right btw

had to go digging for this


loghain was written to be right
the fanbase overwhelmingly getting it wrong is funny tho

[Big Red Dog]

loghain was right btw

had to go digging for this


loghain was written to be right
the fanbase overwhelmingly getting it wrong is funny tho

loghain is ******** and wrong and if i was loghain i would kill myself

[Oyster Sauce]

Yeah he had a really good plan where he decided to kill every single person who had undergone magical rites to be able to actually kill the otherwise immortal dragon that led an infinite army of horrific monsters. The darkspawn conquering the entire nation including the capital city was all according to keikaku.

[rusty_shackleford]

loghain was right btw

had to go digging for this


loghain was written to be right
the fanbase overwhelmingly getting it wrong is funny tho

loghain is ******** and wrong and if i was loghain i would kill myself

They had zero chance to stop the blight, it's not something that can be won by arms. OTOH, Orlais was poised to invade the moment they got wiped out. Back when Orlais was meant to be malevolent rather than funny-french-accent-black-people

[Acrux]

loghain was right btw

had to go digging for this


loghain was written to be right
the fanbase overwhelmingly getting it wrong is funny tho

Of course he would make the guy with "gay" in his name correct.

[rusty_shackleford]

Yeah he had a really good plan where he decided to kill every single person who had undergone magical rites to be able to actually kill the otherwise immortal dragon that led an infinite army of horrific monsters. The darkspawn conquering the entire nation including the capital city was all according to keikaku.

There was only a handful of wardens present, many of them just recently joined. Grey Wardens were previously banished from Ferelden, they'd have to march there, which they didn't have enough time to do.
Again, Loghain was right.

[Big Red Dog]

had to go digging for this


loghain was written to be right
the fanbase overwhelmingly getting it wrong is funny tho

loghain is ******** and wrong and if i was loghain i would kill myself

They had zero chance to stop the blight, it's not something that can be won by arms. OTOH, Orlais was poised to invade the moment they got wiped out. Back when Orlais was meant to be malevolent rather than funny-french-accent-black-people

he's still wrong and a pussy

[Oyster Sauce]

Yeah he had a really good plan where he decided to kill every single person who had undergone magical rites to be able to actually kill the otherwise immortal dragon that led an infinite army of horrific monsters. The darkspawn conquering the entire nation including the capital city was all according to keikaku.

There was only a handful of wardens present, many of them just recently joined. Grey Wardens were previously banished from Ferelden, they'd have to march there, which they didn't have enough time to do.
Again, Loghain was right.

Counter-point: The guy who recently joined the Grey Wardens went and killed the archdemon and stopped the invasion. This actually happens in the game if you pay close enough attention.

[rusty_shackleford]

Yeah he had a really good plan where he decided to kill every single person who had undergone magical rites to be able to actually kill the otherwise immortal dragon that led an infinite army of horrific monsters. The darkspawn conquering the entire nation including the capital city was all according to keikaku.

There was only a handful of wardens present, many of them just recently joined. Grey Wardens were previously banished from Ferelden, they'd have to march there, which they didn't have enough time to do.
Again, Loghain was right.

Counter-point: The guy who recently joined the Grey Wardens went and killed the archdemon and stopped the invasion. This actually happens in the game if you pay close enough attention.

So you're saying that Loghain is responsible for stopping the blight by not marching the main character to his death?

[Big Red Dog]

There was only a handful of wardens present, many of them just recently joined. Grey Wardens were previously banished from Ferelden, they'd have to march there, which they didn't have enough time to do.
Again, Loghain was right.

Counter-point: The guy who recently joined the Grey Wardens went and killed the archdemon and stopped the invasion. This actually happens in the game if you pay close enough attention.

So you're saying that Loghain is responsible for stopping the blight by not marching the main character to his death?

the main character wasn't in the battle he was in the signal tower

[Oyster Sauce]

There was only a handful of wardens present, many of them just recently joined. Grey Wardens were previously banished from Ferelden, they'd have to march there, which they didn't have enough time to do.
Again, Loghain was right.

Counter-point: The guy who recently joined the Grey Wardens went and killed the archdemon and stopped the invasion. This actually happens in the game if you pay close enough attention.

So you're saying that Loghain is responsible for stopping the blight by not marching the main character to his death?

Turns out Arl Eamon is the true hero of the story for killing your family and getting you conscripted into the Grey Wardens. Arl Eamon was right.

[rusty_shackleford]

Counter-point: The guy who recently joined the Grey Wardens went and killed the archdemon and stopped the invasion. This actually happens in the game if you pay close enough attention.

So you're saying that Loghain is responsible for stopping the blight by not marching the main character to his death?

the main character wasn't in the battle he was in the signal tower

You were meant to go join the forces after lighting the signal.

[rusty_shackleford]

Also, whose stupid idea was to ambush enemies that have no concept of morale and would never rout? The entire point of charging into the flank is to cause the enemy to rout.

[Manny V]

it's almost like the dragon age games are a phat pile of caca and make no sense

[Big Red Dog]

So you're saying that Loghain is responsible for stopping the blight by not marching the main character to his death?

the main character wasn't in the battle he was in the signal tower

You were meant to go join the forces after lighting the signal.

they would have won the battle in he joined anyways so it doesn't even matter. plus morrigan's mom would have just magicked you out of the battle before you died anyways

Also, whose stupid idea was to ambush enemies that have no concept of morale and would never rout? The entire point of charging into the flank is to cause the enemy to rout.

fighting on 2 fronts is actually harder than not doing that

[rusty_shackleford]

they would have won the battle in he joined anyways so it doesn't even matter

Even with Loghain's army, they were outnumbered 3:1(this is stated ingame.) The archdemon was nowhere near Ostagar, as you learn during Paragon of Her Kind which happens far later. At best, a victory would have meant sacrificing most of your army to defeat enemies that are rapidly replenished. Woohoo!

[Oyster Sauce]

Loghain left the main IRC channel to make a secret one and didn't let Cailen join

[Big Red Dog]

they would have won the battle in he joined anyways so it doesn't even matter

Even with Loghain's army, they were outnumbered 3:1(this is stated ingame.) The archdemon was nowhere near Ostagar, as you learn during Paragon of Her Kind which happens far later. At best, a victory would have meant sacrificing most of your army to defeat enemies that are rapidly replenished. Woohoo!

holding off the darkspawn at ostagar would give more time to get more wardens and troops, it would also give the new wardens and troops experience fighting against them. there is the fact that they have already won multiple battle against the darkspawn as stated by the king directly. it is made very clear that the only reason they lost is because loghain wanted his crown. also if i remember correctly he was in cahoots with howe actively weakening the kingdom during a crisis

[rusty_shackleford]

it is made very clear that the only reason they lost is because loghain wanted his crown.

he didn't tho

loghain repeatedly tells the king to stop being a ****** and stop trying to play hero, the king got himself killed

[Big Red Dog]

it is made very clear that the only reason they lost is because loghain wanted his crown.

he didn't tho

loghain repeatedly tells the king to stop being a ****** and stop trying to play hero, the king got himself killed

two guys are walking down the stairs
guy one trips and reaches out his hand for help
guy two cuts off his hand and kicks him down the stairs
guy two did nothing wrong and it is not his fault guy one fell down the stairs

[rusty_shackleford]

it is made very clear that the only reason they lost is because loghain wanted his crown.

he didn't tho

loghain repeatedly tells the king to stop being a ****** and stop trying to play hero, the king got himself killed

two guys are walking down the stairs
guy one trips and reaches out his hand for help
guy two cuts off his hand and kicks him down the stairs
guy two did nothing wrong and it is not his fault guy one fell down the stairs

two guys are walking down the stairs
one jumps, the other doesn't

"Even Cailan, for all his bravado, knew there would be no victory at Ostagar" — Elric Maraigne, Cailan's honor guard

[Big Red Dog]

two guys are walking down the stairs
one jumps, the other doesn't

"Even Cailan, for all his bravado, knew there would be no victory at Ostagar" — Elric Maraigne, Cailan's honor guard

Elric Maraigne, Cailan's honor guard, also know as not the king
go replay the game and pay a modicum of attention to anything

[BosanskiSeljak]

The cliche "big bad horde will ruin the world" in the darkspawn provides a nice backdrop to the the personal threat of Loghain. Without the darkspawn, the stakes would be lower and all challenges faced because of him pale in comparison. Darkspawn tie the story together, but are not the main antagonist.

loghain isn't a threat he's a ****** that fucks up the battle because he thinks he's a 9000 iq ultragenius then he sits in his castle doing nothing threatening to the main character

****** even if I accept your assessment (it's wrong), by definition he is still a threat to you. Go back to plebbit you have a lot more leveling up to do

And no, he didn't do all of this because he thinks he's some "9000 iq ultra genius". All he sees is a major threat from Orlais (completely justified), does all he can to settle things down in the land, and wants to go fight the beginning of this blight. Everything he's doing makes sense in his perspective because no one knows the true need for Grey Wardens.

Nowhere did I say he's a monster, by definition he's a threat, and you have the reading comprehension of a fruit fly. He is the antagonist of your journey, with Dark Spawn being a threat on the macro level. They complement eachother.

[Big Red Dog]

Go back to plebbit you have a lot more leveling up to do

*************, please

Nowhere did I say he's a monster

neither did i? what is this about? are you having pretend arguments with me in your head and ascribing what you hear in those to me?

by definition he's a threat

so is a wasp

He is the antagonist of your journey

no that is the darkspawn

with Dark Spawn being a threat on the macro level

yes, because they are the antagonists they are THE enemy, loghain is A (malicious) ******

you are ********, you are loghain
you compliment eachother

[BosanskiSeljak]

stop watching video essays about how humans are the real monsters

Yeah you never implied I called him a monster, you're definitely right.

One of the biggest ******* I ran into on GRPG forum side. Congratulations.