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TL;DR - RomHacking.net goes read-only mode, except for "News" so the admin can continue posting his own mindless ******** and essentially shuts down operations. Why? Nintendo C&D? Rival Game Sites? Funding Issues?

Nope! An age old problem since the dawn of internet communities "Drama" && "Power Tripping Leftoid Moderators".


Official Statement From the The Admin (Nightcrawler)
Highlighted the parts that matter - the rest is just him stroking himself.


https://www.romhacking.net/
It’s been a good near 20 year run, but for various reasons it’s time to wind things down. The site achieved almost everything it set out to do, and far exceeded it. We joined hacking and translation communities together for the first time ever. We outlasted and eclipsed ROM hacking sites that came before us. We brought ROM hacking from niche and fragmented to global and centralized. We assembled the largest force of ROM hackers on the planet. We brought learning resources and accessibility to a much wider range of people. We made major progress legitimizing and pulling ROM hacking from underground dark web type material to something much more accepted by the mainstream. We paved a much easier path for all of those that will come after us. No doubt, this site changed ROM hacking forever. It will leave behind the legacy of those accomplishments to remember.

Things sure have changed since the beginning days. I miss the times when I was able to interact with a smaller group of supportive people to collaborate with rather than the entire world. Having gone from an unknown fledgling site to an infinitely growing and globally known one made sustainability very challenging. The site became so busy with 24/7 use, endless queues, and an endless inbox. It’s a very different world than it was in 2005. Copyright pressures increased dramatically with takedowns and legal burden. The site shifted from serving mostly contributing humans to bots and overzealous people abusing resources. They drowned everybody else out. The need for the site has lessened over time. There are now many options for community discussions, open source projects, and file storage across the Internet. For a while, I was looking to find a successor within the circles of site supporters. I asked several potential people, but the stars did not align.

I was finally looking to wind things down at the end of last year. I wanted to provide the site database and file archive to the general public. At that time, an internal group suddenly emerged with an offer to help continue the site. I questioned their intentions, but I thought it could prove to be a more community friendly path forward. However, it turned out to be the opposite. We had a rocky phase 1, moving the downloads into their possession. When I went to startup phase 2, I discovered a most dishonest and hate filled group. I learned that I had been dehumanized for a very long time. My personal details had been given out. Secret deceitful plots had been made to cut me out, and drop a bomb like I am a target to destroy. My family has seen this and after discussion, we are immediately ceasing all related site operations. We are cutting ties to Discord and Twitter social media outlets, and will have no further contact with these individuals. Lines were crossed. I had hoped this community especially would have learned from what happened to Near. This behavior is not OK for handling disagreements, miscommunication, anger, or anything else.

We have released the site database (sans account and/or profile information) as well as all of the files and images to the Internet Archive. In summary:

Internet Archive of Database and Download Files
All Submissions other than News are permanently closed.
All sections of the site will remain up as read only.
Downloads and images will be available for as long as DarkSol, FCAndChill Calico will allow.
Forum will remain up
Twitter and Discord affiliations have ended. Anything further from these outlets do NOT represent myself or ROMhacking.net.

I look forward to seeing what projects will emerge with the site data for the next generation. From what I have seen, it may be a good time to start an open source initiative for a new site. I’d love to hear about what projects you are working on!

I thank all of the many staff and community members whom kept the wheels turning and the lights on over the years. I am proud of our many accomplishments here together. I will carry forward remembering the good times, laughing about the bad times, and knowing she was right for the time, but time has a way of moving on.

This is ROMhacking.net as we knew her signing off…

I was curious what some of the anti-community sites would say.



https://www.baddesthacks.net/
Note: If you read the original text of this article - all the accusations made are sourced with screenshots - I couldn't be ****** to actually include it though. :pipe-hat:
Nightcrawler is blaming his staff. The staff are blaming his unavaliablilty, Gideon Zhi is blaming Nightcrawler.
people in the RHDN discord are worrying about pronouns and trying to “distance themselves” from RHDN.
People with their heads pretty far up their asses are even trying to blame romhacks.org despite nobody involved even mentioning them as a cause, or them even remotely being related to the story of “my mods talked **** about me behind my back”.


Where do i lie? Well i’m going to miss RHDN, but no more than i already have. Nightcrawler made his bed. he allowed these people he thought were trustworthy to run his community. He was absent. he didnt want to manage things. He didnt even know what his staff were doing many times. so he let people drive it into the ground and turn it into a hotbed of ideological purity spirals, where politics overruled talent. where a guy can be a step away from adding a lost character to a game and be derided for being “nesticle grade”. a place where people asking for entry level help get turned away because how dare they need to explain anything to the peons. A site where a user can follow other users to multiple platforms and harass them, and then still be awarded with a staff position. where rules only apply if they didn’t like what you said, and false accusations could abound but defending yourself would get your posts deleted. where admins will go sit in the chats of other sites so they can run off and tattle that someone said a bad word because they didn’t like a mod decision in the hopes of getting you banned for things you said OFFSITE. These kinds of things happen when your moderation staff have absolutely no contributions to the hobby they moderate.

of COURSE these people were talking about him behind his back.
These people have only treated him as well as they’ve treated the community he let them run.


In the meanwhile, we’re still here. Romhacks.org is a running alternative, with its own submissions system, that are more than happy to clarify rules in their Discord server, and are growing despite the lies and “guilt by association” because they dared let us defend ourselves in their chat. plenty of other forums are slow, but still outliving RHDN. Zophars Domain is still alive, sorta. Acmlm is still technically running. SMBArena on discord has put out some amazing hacks. Romhacking.com is doing… well… whatever it is they do. they honestly kinda suck unless youre into mario 64 speedrunning.

We’ll hopefully all get over this, come out better for it, and hopefully learn the right lessons about letting mentally ill people manage your community.

They don’t actually care about the hobby they pretend to be involved in,
they don’t like you,
and they will always stab you in the back for more control.
This statement resonates a lot for me. I'm not an expert on all the ins and outs of the rom hacking community. I usually just interact with it enough on burner accounts to get what I need to play modded games then **** off but frankly - this clown world **** is so ubiquitous across all gaming communities and git repos now that it's almost a playbook.




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If I find anything else interesting I'll post it.
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Oh yeah I saw this pop up in BasedMods.

Is very sad when you want to retire but the thing you spend your life building gets hijacked by those who can't even appreciate it just so they can use it as a platform for malicious purposes. I believe we can see a similar tale with the ones currently running classical beloved IPs that have been dragged to the mud by said modern activists as well.
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Post by Val the Moofia Boss »

Shillitron wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 17:24
https://www.baddesthacks.net/
Note: If you read the original text of this article - all the accusations made are sourced with screenshots - I couldn't be ****** to actually include it though.
Interesting read. Yet another example of why gatekeeping your community (and especially your moderators) is essential.

A similar incident happened on the Spacebattles forums, where an abusive LGBT moderator, Athene, was ousted and then pulled the "I resign because the other people are bad!" trick to become a martyr to the LGBT sympathizers who would then dog the remaining moderators, leading to "rules reform" and the leftists consolidating their hold over the site and then eventually banning anyone to the right of Mao for wrongthink (with the refugees going to form a splinter form called The-Sietch, led by former SB mods who were purged).
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Can I get a TL;DR on what the **** did?

I don't have the background in the scene to understand what the article(s) is trying to say.
You may as well not bother replying to my posts if it's to argue anything except concrete facts or your personal opinion. I still probably won't see it.
Reject your retarded-wing political programming and learn to think.
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Rand wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:17
Can I get a TL;DR on what the **** did?

I don't have the background in the scene to understand what the article(s) is trying to say.
Romhacking.net owner did not pay attention to who he was recruiting or what they were doing, nor looked at reports or his forums to see that the users were having issues with the moderators.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:20
Rand wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:17
Can I get a TL;DR on what the **** did?

I don't have the background in the scene to understand what the article(s) is trying to say.
Romhacking.net owner did not pay attention to who he was recruiting or what they were doing, nor looked at reports or his forums to see that the users were having issues with the moderators.
And what were the moderetards doing?

Posting alphabet mafia **** (even political positions) you couldn't call out the ********/irrelevancy on?
Saying stupid ****, then banning people that showed they didn't know what they were talking about?
Trying to turn the site into a forum for weirdos all hugboxing their irrelevant pet social positions and ignoring the real site operations?

All of the above?
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You may as well not bother replying to my posts if it's to argue anything except concrete facts or your personal opinion. I still probably won't see it.
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>Twitter
>Discord
I wonder why his site turned to ****.
Weirdest cracker you know.
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Post by Val the Moofia Boss »

Rand wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:27
Val the Moofia Boss wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:20
Rand wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:17
Can I get a TL;DR on what the **** did?

I don't have the background in the scene to understand what the article(s) is trying to say.
Romhacking.net owner did not pay attention to who he was recruiting or what they were doing, nor looked at reports or his forums to see that the users were having issues with the moderators.
And what were the moderetards doing?

Posting alphabet mafia **** (even political positions) you couldn't call out the ********/irrelevancy on?
Saying stupid ****, then banning people that showed they didn't know what they were talking about?
Trying to turn the site into a forum for irrelevant weirdos all hugboxing their pet social positions and ignoring the real site operations?

All of the above?
Yup. Ie, approving low effort pronoun swap romhacks and deleting threads that pointed them out, infracting people for wrongthink, etc. Site owner wanted to retire and pass the reins, and then realized he didn't want to hand the site over to those people and instead just uploaded everything to the internet archive and quit. Site is in read only mode right now and will be taken down later.
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Val the Moofia Boss wrote: August 3rd, 2024, 19:33
Site is in read only mode right now and will be taken down later.
He's still posting News to the website and I didn't see where he said it's being taken down later?

"Downloads and images will be available for as long as DarkSol, FCAndChill Calico will allow." ??

SOURCE
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Post by Val the Moofia Boss »

I misread the end of the post. Combined with him uploading to internet archive, locking the site, and downloads relying on other people, it sounds like the website's days are numbered.

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ROMhacking.net, a prominent ROM hacking site, is closing down after nearly 20 years. The site played a significant role in centralizing and legitimizing ROM hacking, bringing together hacking and translation communities. However, due to increased copyright pressures, a shift in user behavior, and personal attacks, the site's founder has decided to cease operations. The site's database and files have been released to the Internet Archive. The founder is proud of the site's accomplishments and looks forward to seeing future projects inspired by it.
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J1M wrote: August 4th, 2024, 19:42
In before RomHQ is announced.
"Romhacks" are just mods, people are free to post them here.
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romhacking dot net deleted Mr.Richard999's Wizardry Empire 2 translation mod because he supported Trump. Well, actually they deleted his account but I only remember this incident because it was one I was connected with / mattered to me.

I think they eventually reinstated it and it's back up but I never used the site again after that.

EDIT: Yeah it's up ( https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2318/ ) , but they did ban his stuff for a while, long enough that he had to make his own site.
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aweigh wrote: August 5th, 2024, 05:27
romhacking dot net deleted Mr.Richard999's Wizardry Empire 2 translation mod because he supported Trump. Well, actually they deleted his account but I only remember this incident because it was one I was connected with / mattered to me.

I think they eventually reinstated it and it's back up but I never used the site again after that.

EDIT: Yeah it's up ( https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2318/ ) , but they did ban his stuff for a while, long enough that he had to make his own site.
You know, it eventually reaches a point where even if you are someone who isn't American - like me - and couldn't care less about what transpires in the US, you start to feel bad for the people who get discriminated against simply because they just happen to support one particular guy.
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On-Topic, to derail the off-topic stuff.
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This is why I'm glad archive.org exists. It's amazing how even a simple website that is dedicated to hosting rom hacks for retro games, can be dismantled from within by neurotic ********. If anyone wants to archive pre-patched roms, look up "Chadmaster" on archive.org or visit CDRomance.com
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aweigh wrote: August 5th, 2024, 05:27
romhacking dot net deleted Mr.Richard999's Wizardry Empire 2 translation mod because he supported Trump. Well, actually they deleted his account but I only remember this incident because it was one I was connected with / mattered to me.

I think they eventually reinstated it and it's back up but I never used the site again after that.

EDIT: Yeah it's up ( https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2318/ ) , but they did ban his stuff for a while, long enough that he had to make his own site.
Do you have the link of Mr.Richard999's site?
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cyberfriend wrote: August 15th, 2024, 22:48
Do you have the link of Mr.Richard999's site?
sorry, not anymore. you can probably contact him via the codex, also fairly sure the pre-patched ISO of Wizardry Empire 2 that's on all the abandon ware sites is the final one.