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Junior Adventurer's Guild: June - Dark Messiah of Might and Magic

Posted: May 29th, 2026, 18:56
by Oyster Sauce
Games nominated by those who beat Fallout this month

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Posted: May 29th, 2026, 19:02
by J1M
In the event of a tie, I will be using the new tie break rule rusty proposed last month. For the tied nominations, an additional vote will be added to the tally for each AG badge the voters of that nomination have earned.
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Posted: May 29th, 2026, 23:14
by Valter
Aaaaand it's tied already

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 04:15
by logincrash
This is a pretty good roster (aside from 2 games) this time. I'm not sure which to vote for because all of them are cool.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 07:20
by rusty_shackleford
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 04:15
aside from 2 games
Which 2?

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 07:51
by logincrash
ELEX and Tainted Grail.
I've heard that ELEX is peak eurojank which does not necessarily a good game make. And my experience with Tainted Grail lead me to believe that it's just Oblivion.
I have played all the other games and have enjoyed them quite a bit and not in the "this is mostly **** but there are some nuggets of gold here" kinda way.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
by rusty_shackleford
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:51
ELEX and Tainted Grail.
I've heard that ELEX is peak eurojank which does not necessarily a good game make. And my experience with Tainted Grail lead me to believe that it's just Oblivion.
I have played all the other games and have enjoyed them quite a bit and not in the "this is mostly **** but there are some nuggets of gold here" kinda way.
Elex is pretty good. I'd say it's PB's best game because Gothic 2's last half feels very rushed. Elex is the only game they've made that felt relatively finished.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
by Tinky Winky
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 09:15
by Valter
I'd be okay with Dark Messiah winning, I've heard it's got one of the best first-person combat systems out there, so that should be interesting

Fall of Avalon still has expansions on the pipeline so I'd rather wait until it's a finished game before playing it

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 09:30
by Tadeusz
Valter wrote: May 30th, 2026, 09:15
I'd be okay with Dark Messiah winning, I've heard it's got one of the best first-person combat systems out there, so that should be interesting
Dark Messiah uses Source engine so it heavily utilizes the ability to use environment to cause damage like in Half-Life 2. The main character is actually somewhat weak in direct combat so the environment manipulation is the main source of damage. It also has a neat ability to create ropes to climb like in Thief. It's a pretty fun game though I personally wouldn't call it an RPG, there are just some elements.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 11:00
by mynameismortis
I'm hoping for witcher 1 or dark messiah

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 11:36
by SpellSword
mynameismortis wrote: May 30th, 2026, 11:00
I'm hoping for witcher 1 or dark messiah
Sounds good. I've got a copy of The Witcher collecting dust... gives me reason to finally check it out. :pipe-hat:

If anyone's interested in picking it up, the game is on sale for pretty cheap on GOG for the next 19 hours:
https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_witcher

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 12:10
by Kolgrim
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.
Far Cry 3 for July then?

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 13:37
by Tweed
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.
Yeah, but look who nominated it.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 13:39
by Tweed
Someone was working on modding the console exclusive expansion into the PC version of Dank Messiah, but I don't know if they got it done yet.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 13:55
by J1M
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.
Serious question. Is your definition of RPG "bad controls"? Or maybe "****** AD&D adaptation"? If you objectively apply your definition to JAG history, how many games fail that test?

Dark Messiah has attributes, experience points, talent trees, damage types, consumables, magic items, spells, equipment tiers, dungeons, fighter/mage/rogue archetype, and secret rooms.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 14:03
by enisey
@J1M showing up for the tiebreak
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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 14:12
by Tweed
J1M wrote: May 30th, 2026, 13:55
and secret rooms
Well I'm sold!

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 15:41
by Valter
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 04:15
This is a pretty good roster (aside from 2 games) this time. I'm not sure which to vote for because all of them are cool.
Vote Witcher 1 so it'll be tied and we use the new tiebreak system :pipe-thinking:

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 16:00
by logincrash
Valter wrote: May 30th, 2026, 15:41
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 04:15
This is a pretty good roster (aside from 2 games) this time. I'm not sure which to vote for because all of them are cool.
Vote Witcher 1 so it'll be tied and we use the new tiebreak system :pipe-thinking:
If we do get to play Witcher 1, everybody needs to make sure to play the game with the Polish VO.
English Geralt's VA sucks cockle.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 16:06
by Tweed
"STRANGER!" Danger or Sex Card Collector, these are dark times for gaming.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 16:09
by Finarfin
Indeed, why do you think his surname is cockle?
But if it is Witcher 1, I will play it in German.
Geralt sounds great as do the other characters
The Witcher 1 Story German 1 / 3 Cutscenes / Movie FULL HD 1080p

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 17:24
by Tinky Winky
J1M wrote: May 30th, 2026, 13:55
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.
Serious question. Is your definition of RPG "bad controls"? Or maybe "****** AD&D adaptation"? If you objectively apply your definition to JAG history, how many games fail that test?

Dark Messiah has attributes, experience points, talent trees, damage types, consumables, magic items, spells, equipment tiers, dungeons, fighter/mage/rogue archetype, and secret rooms.

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I'm sorry but Far Cry 3 also has:
-EXP points
-talent trees
-equipment tiers and progression
-different damage types (bullet, fire, explosive)
-consumables
-dungeons
-different character archtypes (rambo, sniper and stealth knife killer)
-and most importantly, different characters builds according to your playstyle
-plus, it's also a confirmed racist game according to game journalists

Far Cry 3 for JAG at july 2026

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 17:59
by Kolgrim
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 16:00
English Geralt's VA sucks cockle.
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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 18:10
by enisey
Kolgrim wrote: May 30th, 2026, 17:59
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 16:00
English Geralt's VA sucks cockle.
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Does he support ***** boys attempting The Trial of the Grasses? :groan:

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 18:12
by Valter
Kolgrim wrote: May 30th, 2026, 17:59
logincrash wrote: May 30th, 2026, 16:00
English Geralt's VA sucks cockle.
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Two swords... one for humans, one for nazis

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 18:44
by Reichspepe
Finarfin wrote: May 30th, 2026, 16:09
Indeed, why do you think his surname is cockle?
But if it is Witcher 1, I will play it in German.
Geralt sounds great as do the other characters
The Witcher 1 Story German 1 / 3 Cutscenes / Movie FULL HD 1080p
I really like the voice actor he has for 2 and 3, however the one from the first game I find to be literally perfect. I was very sad when he was changed. If I remember correctly, CDPR got a new studio to do the german voice over.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 18:55
by Finarfin
Thankfully Geralt has great voice actors in the German version, but yeah, I prefer the first one. English Geralt is awful; his Batman-with-throat-cancer voice sucks ***, which is a shame because Yennefer's English voice is quite lovely. But I'd rather not replay W3 in English. I'll play Witcher 3 again soon because of the new expansion. I wish I could change my vote, tbh...

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 19:00
by Killagain665
Ok so I can't choose between three. So I am going to have to see some arguments for them from you guys/girls/battle helicopters/turtles.
I haven't played any of the three.

Elex - I think it was referred to as "eurojank", don't know about that, but I remember playing Gothic a long time ago and thinking it was a much better game than what people had said about it and would like to give this a go due to that.

Dark Messiah - Looks like a more RPG mechanics heavy version of a Dark Alliance Style game and combat looks like a funny version of kick the can from the video that was posted.

Temple of Elemental Evil - Frankly this is just me wanting to play a bit more modern version of Pools of Radiance style of game cause I loved that game and this feels like a successor to that style of game.

Dunno could be wrong with my interpretations of these games or seeing things that I want to see vs don't or just straight missed the plot. Tried not to watch to many videos or read to many things about them so they can be a fresh adventure for me versus finding out more about them and half the adventure is known to me going in.

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Posted: May 30th, 2026, 19:31
by J1M
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 17:24
J1M wrote: May 30th, 2026, 13:55
Tinky Winky wrote: May 30th, 2026, 07:54
Dark Messiah is not a bad game, but it's barely even an RPG, ffs Far Cry 3 is arguably more of an RPG than this.
Serious question. Is your definition of RPG "bad controls"? Or maybe "****** AD&D adaptation"? If you objectively apply your definition to JAG history, how many games fail that test?

Dark Messiah has attributes, experience points, talent trees, damage types, consumables, magic items, spells, equipment tiers, dungeons, fighter/mage/rogue archetype, and secret rooms.

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I'm sorry but Far Cry 3 also has:
-EXP points
-talent trees
-equipment tiers and progression
-different damage types (bullet, fire, explosive)
-consumables
-dungeons
-different character archtypes (rambo, sniper and stealth knife killer)
-and most importantly, different characters builds according to your playstyle
-plus, it's also a confirmed racist game according to game journalists

Far Cry 3 for JAG at july 2026
Please post your definition. As I said, it was a serious question.