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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:28
Nammu Archag wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:09
As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't troons in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
Depends entirely on how they are portrayed.
TKVNC wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:25
Even if something is actively woke, and not recommended - you can still play it, you know. You're just not a purist, but that's a perfectly acceptable.
These days it's impossible to completely avoid woke content. It all really comes down to how much you're willing to tolerate.
Well said, that is precisely the type of determination we want everyone to make. The information our list provides may help you in your determination, but it should not supplant your own judgement. That's precisely why our group's methodology page covers the fact that we leave "good" vs "bad" for people to determine for themselves. I encourage you all to go read our methodology page. It's there to help you interpret the information in our reviews so you can make better judgements for yourselves.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
I feel it necessary to try to foster a community that can hold itself above the Woke crowd using intelligence and reason.
Posters here are often seemingly hostile — especially to new users — because near every other site they use has been slowly destroyed and the most successful defense so far has been extensive gatekeeping by any means necessary.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
using intelligence and reason
See, here's where you are making the same mistake most other make. You're trying to "gotcha" leftists by disproving their arguments, when to leftists everything they say is noise meant to obfuscate their true goals - they hold no convictions, they don't care about morals, they have no ethics.

They don't care about facts, they won't be swayed by logic and reason, they'll simply move the goalpost and call you names - all you'll have accomplished is waste time and energy while they consolidated power.
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war.
Neither has been playing the game according to leftist rules, expecting them to admit defeat like good old chaps. You think they'll give up the reins of power because you proved they're the "real" racists?

There's always been only one solution, but most people are unwilling to admit that to themselves.

EDIT:

Don't get me wrong - I fully support using objective metrics (as much as that is possible within the context of a creative medium) to catalogue all the instances of propaganda can be found within a game.

I just don't think having a polite debate with the left using said information will accomplish much.
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:41
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
using intelligence and reason
See, here's where you are making the same mistake most other make. You're trying to "gotcha" leftists by disproving their arguments, when to leftists everything they say is noise meant to obfuscate their true goals - they hold no convictions, they don't care about morals, they have no ethics.

They don't care about facts, they won't be swayed by logic and reason, they'll simply move the goalpost and call you names - all you'll have accomplished is waste time and energy while they consolidated power.
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war.
Neither has been playing the game according to leftist rules, expecting them to admit defeat like good old chaps. You think they'll give up the reins of power because you proved they're the "real" racists?

There's always been only one solution, but most people are unwilling to admit that to themselves.
I think we should hold ourselves to higher standards, especially while recognizing and stating that our enemies have none and are the epitome of dishonorable curs that deserve nothing less than destruction.
I agree that we need to get serious at this existential threat to that which we hold dear. They've TOLD US, repeatedly, how far they'd go if they just have the power (they don't and won't) and we need to steel ourselves to proactively reciprocate because they've proven themselves eminently deserving by their words and actions. But I am not a Christian, so I don't even understand the thinking behind the weird idea of forgiveness, much less hobble myself with it.
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:09
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Not Recommended - Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Even as a male player, The npc Crassius Curio refers to the player as 'my little flower,' as having a 'supple little waist,' and may request a kiss.
For some reason I don't think depicting a sexually depraved and corrupt colonial administrator as a degenerate pederast is pro-lgbt or woke.

As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't troons in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
Cyberpunk has two types of troons. The first is the sexually deviant throbbing-boner-through-bodysuit weirdo freakshow (appropriate for the setting) and the second is a writer self-insert who has a 60 year old tranny flag on the back of his truck and is just an exceptionally normal person aside from 1 line about being tranny (retarded and inappropriate for the setting)
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Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:48
I think we should hold ourselves to higher standards, especially while recognizing and stating that our enemies have none and are the epitome of dishonorable curs that deserve nothing less than destruction.
I vehemently disagree. You only bother holding the moral high-ground when your opponents are buried in mass graves. Doing anything else is deliberately crippling yourself, while your opponent does not operate under such constraints.

An infuriating example is conservatives taking control of an institution, and instead of using it as the weapon it clearly is, they try to govern "responsibly."

If your opponent is less than human, they you treat him as such. They might look like people, but they are not.
Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:48
They've TOLD US, repeatedly, how far they'd go if they just have the power (they don't and won't) and we need to steel ourselves
I'd argue they are nearly in complete control, maybe two to three decades away from total (cultural) hegemony.

Does anyone here seriously entertain the idea that a political solution exists, that we can vote our way out of this mess?
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:41
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
using intelligence and reason
See, here's where you are making the same mistake most other make. You're trying to "gotcha" leftists by disproving their arguments, when to leftists everything they say is noise meant to obfuscate their true goals - they hold no convictions, they don't care about morals, they have no ethics.

They don't care about facts, they won't be swayed by logic and reason, they'll simply move the goalpost and call you names - all you'll have accomplished is waste time and energy while they consolidated power.
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war.
Neither has been playing the game according to leftist rules, expecting them to admit defeat like good old chaps. You think they'll give up the reins of power because you proved they're the "real" racists?

There's always been only one solution, but most people are unwilling to admit that to themselves.

EDIT:

Don't get me wrong - I fully support using objective metrics (as much as that is possible within the context of a creative medium) to catalogue all the instances of propaganda can be found within a game.

I just don't think having a polite debate with the left using said information will accomplish much.
I agree. But consider this, maybe the people I'm trying to appeal to with logic and reason aren't the left but rather the apolitical/moderate normies. It's sometimes easy to forget the vast majority of people caught up in the culture war are those caught in the middle. However, when faced with a choice between one side who is calm, collected, and presents a well-reasoned argument that is open to scrutiny vs the other side who ignores all facts, reason, logic, and objective measurement to dogmatically assert their position, who do you think the normies are more likely to side with? That's a question I look forward to finding out the answer to later this year in November.
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:53
I'd argue they are nearly in complete control, maybe two to three decades away from total (cultural) hegemony.

Does anyone here seriously entertain the idea that a political solution exists, that we can vote our way out of this mess?
There is no such thing as a political solution to a social issue. You have, really, three choices, Violence, Apathy, or Shame.

You can murder everyone til you get your own way - not the best idea, but perfectly valid, and has worked in history.

You can make everyone just get bored of a singular hegemony by making their lives boring and relatively meaningless - the Soviet Union, for example.

Or, you can just make the other side look so cringe that people instinctively rebel because of how cringe they are - for example, American Evangelists - they managed to make Religion so insanely cringe - it nearly killed Christianity in the entire West.
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Roguey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:47
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:56
Thanks for this information. Anything to add in regard to Tyranny? So far I haven't found any readily apparent information on it.
There are some gay and playersexual npcs, the particular area the game takes place in has a society where men own ships and women own land, the gender of the overlord is intentionally ambiguous, lotta strong women.
I'm struggling to find information but I have narrowed down my focus to the character Sirin, the land/ship issue, and Kyros. I've formulated these things into the following questions I'm trying to answer:
1. Does Sirin's backstory qualify her as a Mary Sue? (she sure seems like one based off what I've read)
2. Is there an in-universe explanation for women owning land and men owning ships? (or is it an artificial distinction for the sake of "equality")
3. Do any characters mention Kyros being "above" gender limits? (I've seen some mention of an npc, Tunon, who comments on Kyros transcending our duality)
If you have any insights into these things it would greatly help me out. Thanks!
One more thing, you mentioned gay and playersexual npcs, but I far as I can tell, all companions except 1 female all turn you down if you try to romance them? Is that right or am I missing something?
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Morrowind always did seem pretty gay to me, that's why Oblivion is the best.
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Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:33
Thanks for the information! I'll add this to the list as not recommended.
It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
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Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14
Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:33
Thanks for the information! I'll add this to the list as not recommended.
It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
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Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:27
1. Does Sirin's backstory qualify her as a Mary Sue? (she sure seems like one based off what I've read)
I'd say not. They stuck a power inhibitor on her head that she can't take off and she was a slave for a while. She's not perfect or all-powerful.
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Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:27
Is there an in-universe explanation for women owning land and men owning ships? (or is it an artificial distinction for the sake of "equality")
Yes.
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Do any characters mention Kyros being "above" gender limits? (I've seen some mention of an npc, Tunon, who comments on Kyros transcending our duality)
I don't recall. No one seems to know for sure except Sirin who always switches whatever pronoun you use and refuses to elaborate.
One more thing, you mentioned gay and playersexual npcs, but I far as I can tell, all companions except 1 female all turn you down if you try to romance them? Is that right or am I missing something?
There are no romances (unless you buy the dlc) but there are gay couples in towns and in the opening area there are a number of women who flirt with you regardless of gender.

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Oyster Sauce wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:27
Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14
Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:33

Thanks for the information! I'll add this to the list as not recommended.
It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
Cope Content Detector: NOT RECOMMENDED - Contains overtly cope content.
I have thousands of hours in this game and not even once has woke agenda been pushed to me, that's why I have this opinion. Even this crappy event only happens once a year (shouldn't even have been a thing, I agree) but most of the community loathes it, plus it is completely optional and avoidable btw

This is how the community has treated these events:
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Like dude, elden ring has fucking body types at starting of character creation and gets to be "informational", while OSRS and morrowind are "not recommended". At this point, the list starts losing credibility.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 05:31
As with part 1, please do not replicate nor distribute this table/list in any way. Please do not share the link to this page.
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:04
Uh, I'm not sure I understand but you are certainly welcome to your own opinion. However, if I may, engaging in ad hominem attacks isn't going to help your position nor hurt mine.
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war. That's arguably part of why we lost it in the first place.
Kinda reddit-tier responses tbqh, bruv.
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:41
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
using intelligence and reason
See, here's where you are making the same mistake most other make. You're trying to "gotcha" leftists by disproving their arguments, when to leftists everything they say is noise meant to obfuscate their true goals - they hold no convictions, they don't care about morals, they have no ethics.

They don't care about facts, they won't be swayed by logic and reason, they'll simply move the goalpost and call you names - all you'll have accomplished is waste time and energy while they consolidated power.
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war.
Neither has been playing the game according to leftist rules, expecting them to admit defeat like good old chaps. You think they'll give up the reins of power because you proved they're the "real" racists?

There's always been only one solution, but most people are unwilling to admit that to themselves.

EDIT:

Don't get me wrong - I fully support using objective metrics (as much as that is possible within the context of a creative medium) to catalogue all the instances of propaganda can be found within a game.

I just don't think having a polite debate with the left using said information will accomplish much.
gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:53
Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:48
I think we should hold ourselves to higher standards, especially while recognizing and stating that our enemies have none and are the epitome of dishonorable curs that deserve nothing less than destruction.
I vehemently disagree. You only bother holding the moral high-ground when your opponents are buried in mass graves. Doing anything else is deliberately crippling yourself, while your opponent does not operate under such constraints.

An infuriating example is conservatives taking control of an institution, and instead of using it as the weapon it clearly is, they try to govern "responsibly."

If your opponent is less than human, they you treat him as such. They might look like people, but they are not.
Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:48
They've TOLD US, repeatedly, how far they'd go if they just have the power (they don't and won't) and we need to steel ourselves
I'd argue they are nearly in complete control, maybe two to three decades away from total (cultural) hegemony.

Does anyone here seriously entertain the idea that a political solution exists, that we can vote our way out of this mess?
Kinda weird topic to put these clips in, but these replies inspired me to post this. If anyone wants to know how leftists operate, I *highly* recommend the following video series. The guy is a catholic exorcist (and I think a trained psychologist too), and talks about how communists work. Being an exorcist he talks from a spiritual point of view, but don't let that stop you watching this even if you're not religious (he talks about demons and stuff and how they act very similar to communists). I think at one point he says that communism pretty much means the same as a liberal or a socialist if I remember correctly, but I would expand that definition to a modern leftist or even the common internet troll, seeing how they all act the same in their arguments.

There's a bit of boilerplate in the beginning, but don't let that stop you from watching these, you'll understand so much more after viewing. Also the videos were made a couple of years ago, so he talks about covid and the riots and stuff that happened then:

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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:25

Perhaps it helps to think about it like this: Why did they make the character that way in the first place? They chose to make that character like that. Why? What message are they trying to send?
That Hlaalu are race-traitor faggots who whore themselves out to the Empire? That's a based message lol, it vindicates the xenophobic and nationalistic Dunmer in opposition to the cosmopolitan Imperial culture. I don't think making Cassius a degenerate (which is fitting with his character, role, and setting), is somehow a part of a gay or jewsih agenda. It was at worst an attempt at humor. Shit I remember when you could just joke about faggotry and it mean nothing because most people never even met gays. Not sure why the game world of Morrowind is supposed to be a utopian setting by your standards just to not be classed as woke
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Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:30
Oyster Sauce wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:27
Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14


It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
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I have thousands of hours in this game and not even once has woke agenda been pushed to me, that's why I have this opinion. Even this crappy event only happens once a year (shouldn't even have been a thing, I agree) but most of the community loathes it, plus it is completely optional and avoidable btw

This is how the community has treated these events:
► Show Spoiler
Like dude, elden ring has fucking body types at starting of character creation and gets to be "informational", while OSRS and morrowind are "not recommended". At this point, the list starts losing credibility.
the original protests where the boys went around in desert robes was good shit lol
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Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:30
Oyster Sauce wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:27
Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14


It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
Cope Content Detector: NOT RECOMMENDED - Contains overtly cope content.
I have thousands of hours in this game and not even once has woke agenda been pushed to me, that's why I have this opinion. Even this crappy event only happens once a year (shouldn't even have been a thing, I agree) but most of the community loathes it, plus it is completely optional and avoidable btw

This is how the community has treated these events:
► Show Spoiler
Like dude, elden ring has fucking body types at starting of character creation and gets to be "informational", while OSRS and morrowind are "not recommended". At this point, the list starts losing credibility.
I really like how a tts program reading any gay acronyms just output short phonetic gibberish, its the little things in life.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:56
Roguey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 10:57
Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition Larian Studios Larian Studios Recommended Contains no Woke content.
There's a gay human/orc couple in the last town.
Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition Owlcat Games Prime Matter Recommended Contains no Woke content
There's definitely gay stuff in this. Linzi is very subtly gay, Octavia and Regongar are bisexuals in an open relationship, the tiefling twins are also bisexual.
Tyranny Obsidian Entertainment Paradox Interactive Recommended Contains no Woke content.
This is a can of worms. :lol:
Thanks for this information. Anything to add in regard to Tyranny? So far I haven't found any readily apparent information on it.
There's a pinned thread by Twig in the RPG board. Page 6-9 have an extended back and forth on whether Tyranny is woke or not, starting with this message
Lord of Riva wrote: February 26th, 2024, 10:42

I disagree on Tyranny it's certainly not mild, it's rather high.
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HK still isn't woke. I guess lesbo and fag bugs are okay.
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Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14
Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:33
Thanks for the information! I'll add this to the list as not recommended.
It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
You're right that it's not terribly intrusive, but every year they seem to be getting more aggressive about it.

Remember back in 2017 when it started as just a rainbow that took up maybe two tiles? Well now it's basically a full blown event that adds more and more cosmetic LGBT gear every year, and now they actively perma ban anyone who voices their disagreement with the event.

I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 09:46
I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
Give an inch... They take a mile.

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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:58
gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:41
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:31
using intelligence and reason
See, here's where you are making the same mistake most other make. You're trying to "gotcha" leftists by disproving their arguments, when to leftists everything they say is noise meant to obfuscate their true goals - they hold no convictions, they don't care about morals, they have no ethics.

They don't care about facts, they won't be swayed by logic and reason, they'll simply move the goalpost and call you names - all you'll have accomplished is waste time and energy while they consolidated power.
Juvenile bickering and fallacious arguments are not going to get us anywhere in this culture war.
Neither has been playing the game according to leftist rules, expecting them to admit defeat like good old chaps. You think they'll give up the reins of power because you proved they're the "real" racists?

There's always been only one solution, but most people are unwilling to admit that to themselves.

EDIT:

Don't get me wrong - I fully support using objective metrics (as much as that is possible within the context of a creative medium) to catalogue all the instances of propaganda can be found within a game.

I just don't think having a polite debate with the left using said information will accomplish much.
I agree. But consider this, maybe the people I'm trying to appeal to with logic and reason aren't the left but rather the apolitical/moderate normies. It's sometimes easy to forget the vast majority of people caught up in the culture war are those caught in the middle. However, when faced with a choice between one side who is calm, collected, and presents a well-reasoned argument that is open to scrutiny vs the other side who ignores all facts, reason, logic, and objective measurement to dogmatically assert their position, who do you think the normies are more likely to side with? That's a question I look forward to finding out the answer to later this year in November.
Holy shit where did this autistic conservative faggot come from lol. How much do you like Ben Shapiro? "Owning those lib video games with facts and logic!"

Your list is cool and all but dial down the autism by like 10 degrees and take your meds.
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TKVNC wrote: April 7th, 2024, 10:19
buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 09:46
I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
Give an inch... They take a mile.

You must always resist, and if resistance fails, leave, and inform others of the situation.
Unfortunately, any form of protest in game will result in thousands of hours of autism going down the shitter. Best i can do is load up my 90th burner account on Reddit and intentionally stir up shit and cause further division among the retards.
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 10:32
TKVNC wrote: April 7th, 2024, 10:19
buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 09:46
I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
Give an inch... They take a mile.

You must always resist, and if resistance fails, leave, and inform others of the situation.
Unfortunately, any form of protest in game will result in thousands of hours of autism going down the shitter. Best i can do is load up my 90th burner account on Reddit and intentionally stir up shit and cause further division among the retards.
I feel you, but the question is where do you draw the line? I'd be willing to throw away it all to do away with woke garbage. But if they ban you as fast as they can, you'll need burners to really rile people up. Two for one is the best way, I guess.

I think people are 'aware' of the situation in the modern West, but they can't see it clearly enough to articulate it. So start posting shit to make them mald, and you'll get them to expose themselves.
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 09:46
Anon wrote: April 7th, 2024, 01:14
Furin wrote: April 7th, 2024, 00:33

Thanks for the information! I'll add this to the list as not recommended.
It's only a single event, they aren't really proactive in promoting troon agenda in their game, should be informational at most. Best mmorpg in the market btw
You're right that it's not terribly intrusive, but every year they seem to be getting more aggressive about it.

Remember back in 2017 when it started as just a rainbow that took up maybe two tiles? Well now it's basically a full blown event that adds more and more cosmetic LGBT gear every year, and now they actively perma ban anyone who voices their disagreement with the event.

I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
Nah dude it's all irrational fear, not gonna happen trust me
buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 10:32
TKVNC wrote: April 7th, 2024, 10:19
buttfucker 3000 wrote: April 7th, 2024, 09:46
I can't help but feel that eventually it's gonna get to the point where if you DON'T participate in the event, your account will be flagged and perma banned.
Give an inch... They take a mile.

You must always resist, and if resistance fails, leave, and inform others of the situation.
Unfortunately, any form of protest in game will result in thousands of hours of autism going down the shitter. Best i can do is load up my 90th burner account on Reddit and intentionally stir up shit and cause further division among the retards.
Same bro same
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