January: Tunnels & Trolls: Crusaders of Khazan
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January: Tunnels & Trolls: Crusaders of Khazan
It's that time again! Another edition of Adventure's Guild has released!
The game released in western countries on IBM PC for DOS, but in Japan on a few other devices. I believe @WhiteShark is being a weeb and playing one of the Jap versions. The normal people amongst us will be playing the DOS version.
I will be providing a copy of this game that comes with a Windows version of DOSBOX. You should be able to launch the game by using the "launch.bat" script in the game folder. If you have any issues, let me know and I'll fix it. I don't use Windows so I can't test it there.
Download: https://f.rpghq.org/1QwCOi2bIn1E.zip?n= ... Trolls.zip
By default, it launches the cracked version which should skip all of the copy protection.
You can find the manual HERE: https://www.mocagh.org/nwc/tunnelstrolls-manual.pdf
You can find the cluebook & reference card HERE: https://archive.org/details/extras_msdo ... azan_1990/
This is probably one of the more story-filled games I can think of to this date
More like crusaders for khazar milkers, amirite?
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need to figure out how to trip the windows defender next month
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@rusty_shackleford what do you mean?rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 1st, 2023, 16:17need to figure out how to trip the windows defender next month
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SpellSword wrote: ↑ December 1st, 2023, 16:21@rusty_shackleford what do you mean?rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 1st, 2023, 16:17need to figure out how to trip the windows defender next month
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I've rolled a party.
Human warrior
Dwarf warrior
Hobb rogue
Elf wizard
Human feel a bit like a trap choice being a jack-of-all-stats whereas the other races can easily gain stats in excess of 30+ to their racially favoured attributes.
Human warrior
Dwarf warrior
Hobb rogue
Elf wizard
Human feel a bit like a trap choice being a jack-of-all-stats whereas the other races can easily gain stats in excess of 30+ to their racially favoured attributes.
Been looking forward to watching this one! It was a favorite of mine, back in 1990. At the time, I was excited for this New World Computing crpg after playing Might & Magic one year earlier. Love the presentation of the manual. It was written by Neal Hallford (Betrayal at Krondor).
And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
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Some events it seems you can only interact with once or am I missing something? E.g. the billboard at the adventurer's guild or the trapdoor to the sewers.
Agree the manual is lovely, but for introduction I just get the image of the tavern with the bard and the text with his performance. Was there supposed to be more?Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 15:44And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
Oh, that's what I meant. Just the static image of the tavern, but during the whole sequence I really enjoy the style of imaginative storytelling. Personally, I thought it was a great way to draw the player into the history of the conflict, and present situation.Watser wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:00Some events it seems you can only interact with once or am I missing something? E.g. the billboard at the adventurer's guild or the trapdoor to the sewers.
Agree the manual is lovely, but for introduction I just get the image of the tavern with the bard and the text with his performance. Was there supposed to be more?Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 15:44And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
I rolled the same party, I think it will be fine even with the human warrior.
So excessively long lore dumps are alright when old games do it, got it.Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 15:44And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
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Because it was not cinematic, but text-based, which is appropriate for the Tunnels & Trolls pen and paper inspiration. Modern gamers would lack attention span to get through it.Humbaba wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:39So excessively long lore dumps are alright when old games do it, got it.Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 15:44And how epic is the game's introduction, something like twenty minutes of background, worldbuilding text and images.
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Pillars 1's lore dump was text based too, do we like that one now?Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:43Because it was not cinematic, but text-based, which is appropriate for the Tunnels & Trolls pen and paper inspiration. Modern gamers would lack attention span to get through it.
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Humbaba wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:44Pillars 1's lore dump was text based too, do we like that one now?Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:43Because it was not cinematic, but text-based, which is appropriate for the Tunnels & Trolls pen and paper inspiration. Modern gamers would lack attention span to get through it.
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No, because the introduction we are talking about takes place before the game proper begins, so it is not intrusive. It exists solely to provide atmosphere and set the tone of the adventure. It's also well written.
Same could be said about Pillars 1's introductory lore dump. Alright then, this settles it, I suppose lore dumps ARE ok after all.Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:47No, because the introduction we are talking about takes place before the game proper begins, so it is not intrusive. It exists solely to provide atmosphere and set the tone of the adventure. It's also well written.
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I'm getting CYOA vibes.
Do you help this creature in need?
Y: It kills you.
N: It still kills you.
Do you help this creature in need?
Y: It kills you.
N: It still kills you.
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The difference is pillows loredumps about things that happen before/off-screen, not about things that are happening.
Also, Pillar lore dumps are extremely overwrought and boring.
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Put all your game's lore dumps into books you can choose not to read. That's the best way.
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Humbaba wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:44Pillars 1's lore dump was text based too, do we like that one now?Dorateen wrote: ↑ December 2nd, 2023, 17:43Because it was not cinematic, but text-based, which is appropriate for the Tunnels & Trolls pen and paper inspiration. Modern gamers would lack attention span to get through it.
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I don't suppose the FM-TOWNS version has an english option?
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Probably have to ask @WhiteShark, he's playing one of the weeb versions.Tweed wrote: ↑ December 4th, 2023, 17:17I don't suppose the FM-TOWNS version has an english option?
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The JP manual I downloaded makes no mention of a language option and I didn't see one in the PC-98 nor Sharp versions.
I fired it up last night, got into a fight and Spellsworded. Very embarrassing. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be doing right now, my best guess is that Gull is sort of like the starting town in, for instance, M&M 3, where you kinda avoid it until you've built up a couple levels and gotten some decent gear.
Also I rolled a Hobb Rogue with absolute dogshit STR, I didn't realize how badly it would cripple me. I think I may need to start over, or at least get rid of my Hobb. Another Hobb rogue offers to join after the Orc Mansion fights, maybe I can take him instead once I've legit beaten those.
Also I rolled a Hobb Rogue with absolute dogshit STR, I didn't realize how badly it would cripple me. I think I may need to start over, or at least get rid of my Hobb. Another Hobb rogue offers to join after the Orc Mansion fights, maybe I can take him instead once I've legit beaten those.
One of the things I recall doing, was bringing in some of the NPCs from the adventurer's guild, and taking their equipment. Either to use or to sell off to raise the funds to buy better gear.
This game is fugly.
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うっ (brief u sound similar to the u in 'due', cut off abruptly)
The orc mansion encounter is fairly easy.
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