What do you think about using mods when playing a game for the first time?

[Big Red Dog]

I don't know how anyone could have played Oblivion through unmodded, it was pure garbage with all its console crap, mainstream design, hand holding, etc... I made it into the game a bit before I stopped playing in disgust. FCOM made the game actually enjoyable.

I have never modded oblivion (other than patch mods) and i've played through it hundreds of times and 100%ed it at least 10 times. you might just hate fun

Oh, boy, I hate fun like this so much!

ive never understood the reddit level hatred of this system, its very easy to understand and use but all i ever hear is that its impossible to comprehend what smiling means and how a clockwise rotation works

[Rand]

I have never modded oblivion (other than patch mods) and i've played through it hundreds of times and 100%ed it at least 10 times. you might just hate fun

Oh, boy, I hate fun like this so much!

ive never understood the reddit level hatred of this system, its very easy to understand and use but all i ever hear is that its impossible to comprehend what smiling means and how a clockwise rotation works

I don't have problems understanding how to do it.
I have problems understanding what is at all fun about it.
Frankly, the old D&D 2d6 reaction roll is a better, more realistic system than this.
There are zero stakes to this other than the player's patience and time.
You will always max disposition or just straight out give them money to bypass the nonsense, or not do it in the first place.
It's so bad, I don't even remember what you get, other than attribute multipliers for levelups, for increasing this skill.

I looked it up:



I get slightly better results from spinning the wheel game or paying to bypass it. Whoopee!

IMO, the smartest thing a game does is tie social skills to barter as a single skill. At least you get something out of it.
Although barter skills also kind of suck in most games, because you just go and get another load of loot to trade and put your points into being a better killer.

[Big Red Dog]

I get slightly better results from spinning the wheel game or paying to bypass it. Whoopee!

yeah being better at talking makes you better at talking, and how is it a bad thing to give you a way around the minigame?

Frankly, the old D&D 2d6 reaction roll is a better, more realistic system than this.

dice rolls should stay on the table top and out of my singleplayer videogames

There are zero stakes to this other than the player's patience and time.

what's at stake is having the character like you more, that's like saying the lockpick minigame is bad because the only thing at stake is the loot in the chest and it only exists to waste your time.

it seems like your looking at oblivion as a bad rpg, which its not because its not an rpg its an action dungeon crawler with some jrpg elements. (i don't care what its marketed as or tagged as on steam its not a roleplaying game)

[Rand]

I get slightly better results from spinning the wheel game or paying to bypass it. Whoopee!

yeah being better at talking makes you better at talking, and how is it a bad thing to give you a way around the minigame?

Frankly, the old D&D 2d6 reaction roll is a better, more realistic system than this.

dice rolls should stay on the table top and out of my singleplayer videogames

There are zero stakes to this other than the player's patience and time.

what's at stake is having the character like you more, that's like saying the lockpick minigame is bad because the only thing at stake is the loot in the chest and it only exists to waste your time.

it seems like your looking at oblivion as a bad rpg, which its not because its not an rpg its an action dungeon crawler with some jrpg elements. (i don't care what its marketed as or tagged as on steam its not a roleplaying game)

I didn't say it was bad, just that many of the designs they went with are bad.
Persuasion: bad
Level scaling: very bad (bandits with all glass armor and weapons )
Faces: bad
NPC to NPC conversations: so bad it's a meme
Physics engine: very bad
Economy: bad
DLC: some very bad, most poorly integrated. The major ones were good, though.
Consolized zones, especially cities: bad (because they decided to take away levitation and teleportation magic to make them work).
Weapons list: bad (spears, throwing weapons, attacking with staffs, etc...)
The HUD & interface screens: TV consolized and very bad on PC

It is a decent game hobbled by **** developers for consoles and the dolts that exclusively play on them.

[maidenhaver]

I have never modded oblivion (other than patch mods) and i've played through it hundreds of times and 100%ed it at least 10 times. you might just hate fun

Oh, boy, I hate fun like this so much!

ive never understood the reddit level hatred of this system, its very easy to understand and use but all i ever hear is that its impossible to comprehend what smiling means and how a clockwise rotation works

The hatred was very understandable, although over time, as passions cooled, a new argument was gathered against it, because nobody cared either way anymore, and new players needed to "add" something.

[Big Red Dog]

Oh, boy, I hate fun like this so much!

ive never understood the reddit level hatred of this system, its very easy to understand and use but all i ever hear is that its impossible to comprehend what smiling means and how a clockwise rotation works

The hatred was very understandable, although over time, as passions cooled, a new argument was gathered against it, because nobody cared either way anymore, and new players needed to "add" something.

me and 5 of my siblings played this on release and none of us **** our pants and cried when the persuasion wheel jump scared us with its existential horror

[maidenhaver]

I'm glad, that would be cause for concern.

[Xenich]

I mentioned this — you're just making all the classes the same and taking away any unique utility.

Ah I see, in a single character game making every character you roll need to have a certain number in strength which then places a ******** amount of importance in a stat that otherwise would be a dump if you played something that didn't give a **** about it otherwise. Very unique.

In a game like Ultima Underworld, encumbrance only exists to test your meta knowledge of what key items you need and what you can do without especially if you dare not start with a template that has 25-30 strength. There's no grand trade off except for making someone waste time in their first playthrough. It's also made further irrelevant since many games already enforce an inventory limit, so what is the overall point of this mechanic? Give strength/fighters some extra utility? Why not let them just punch down locked wooden doors or be physically intimidating to pussy-boy NPCs?

Truth is encumbrance is some wannabe immersion thing put in a game where your backpack can suddenly now hold fifteen greatswords and forty pairs of plate mail armor and even then that was solved as soon as someone thought of a Tetris-grid inventory. The latter still gives you the exact same end result (and if you want you can give a class like fighter an expanded inventory to work with) without any of the annoyance of your character abruptly moving like cement.

If you really do insist this genius and cutting edge mechanic exist, then have it only affect what is actually being worn on your character .

Well, in games that actually have depth to their systems, Strength would affect Jumping, Swimming, Carry weight, skill/ability prerequisites, Item wielding, game content (ie door/lever/etc.. checks), skill modifiers (balance, intimidate, etc..)

Same with all the other stats, they would have overlapping function and purpose and affect various skills, abilities, saving throws, etc...

This is what a game could have (and some did), but apparently that is too much effort for the ******* these days and everything gets relegated to a single stat so people can spam buttons like morons.

[Stack of Turtles]

ive never understood the reddit level hatred of this system, its very easy to understand and use but all i ever hear is that its impossible to comprehend what smiling means and how a clockwise rotation works

Redditors are autistic and genuinely don't comprehend what smiling means, hth.

[Vergil]

Similar to people hating Morrowind combat because they won't take the 5 seconds to learn how the system works hylics just mash the persuasion pie randomly then say **** this and quit. Similar to the iron dagger test for a morrowind combat check how many people talking about persuasion pie use/know about the rotate ability.

[rusty_shackleford]

I hate morrowind because it's a lifeless husk of a game.

[Vergil]

I hate morrowind because it's a lifeless husk of a game.

Rusty has Morrowind PTSD from being molested by Crassius Curio

[maidenhaver]

The persuasion game wasn't fun, made no sense, kept the menu open longer, gave no results, and the npcs are ugly and stupid looking. The system was easy to cheese, nobody struggled with the mechanics.

[rusty_shackleford]

The persuasion game wasn't fun, made no sense, kept the menu open longer, gave no results, and the npcs are ugly and stupid looking. The system was easy to cheese, nobody struggled with the mechanics.

It sucks, but so does every other persuasion mechanic that exists in RPGs I've seen.

[maidenhaver]

This one made a ****** mechanic into a minigame. Like lockpicking, it should either work or not.

[Vergil]

Persuasion pie was an interesting idea that was implemented poorly and in typical Bethesda fashion instead of fixing it for Skyrim they just cut persuasion altogether. You shouldn't have been able to tell what the NPC response to certain inputs were until you tried them once and had harsher penalties for taking too long/getting wrong choices.

[logincrash]

What did the persuasion mini-game even give you? I genuinely don't remember, as I haven't played Oblivion in like 15 years.

[rusty_shackleford]

Persuasion pie was an interesting idea that was implemented poorly and in typical Bethesda fashion instead of fixing it for Skyrim they just cut persuasion altogether. You shouldn't have been able to tell what the NPC response to certain inputs were until you tried them once and had harsher penalties for taking too long/getting wrong choices.

Starfield actually has a new one that is kinda OK but they didn't make enough dialogue for it so a lot of it doesn't make sense.
Instead of just picking "[PERSUASION] I SPEAK GOODER!", it starts a dialogue based on the actual discussion that was happening and you have to convince them within a set number of choices. It's closer to gambling in that the harder choices are more likely to fail but give you more 'points' towards a successful persuasion.

The major issue with it is a lot of the choices are just generic **** unrelated to the conversation because they're so ******* lazy.

[Xenich]

I hate morrowind because it's a lifeless husk of a game.

That's the thing about it, either it clicks for you or it doesn't. I liked the bland dark feel of it personally, but the people going off about its systems just have no clue of what they are talking about.

[Big Red Dog]

What did the persuasion mini-game even give you? I genuinely don't remember, as I haven't played Oblivion in like 15 years.

makes it easier to haggle, changes their "bark", can get them to stop fighting you or to help you in a fight, wont tell you information at a low disposition.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Disposition

[maidenhaver]

What did the persuasion mini-game even give you? I genuinely don't remember, as I haven't played Oblivion in like 15 years.

Depending on your speech level, and patience with persuasion pie, it raised npc disposition. So did gold, and gold was everywhere, and bribing was faster. You could insult, joke, intimidate and charm, repeatedly, the same as in Morrowind, only the minigame fad added another layer of tedium. It didn't do anything.

[Big Red Dog]

What did the persuasion mini-game even give you? I genuinely don't remember, as I haven't played Oblivion in like 15 years.

Depending on your speech level, and patience with persuasion pie, it raised npc disposition. So did gold, and gold was everywhere, and bribing was faster. You could insult, joke, intimidate and charm, repeatedly, the same as in Morrowind, only the minigame fad added another layer of tedium. It didn't do anything.

you're ********

[maidenhaver]

I think you just can't handle the truth.

[aweigh]

I like Oblivion because it's like one of those "so bad it's good movies" that you watch to laugh at but kind of enjoy deep down because it has some low-brow charm.

I feel that way about most of Beth's game but it's distilled into a pure so-bad-it's-good essence in Oblivion. Oh, and Oblivion also has crazy entertaining AI.

[loregamer]

I'm playing Morrowind for the first time with Tamriel Rebuilt and a considerable amount of other mods, and I have no regrets. I wanna get the best first experience possible

[wndrbr]

I'm playing Morrowind for the first time with Tamriel Rebuilt and a considerable amount of other mods, and I have no regrets. I wanna get the best first experience possible

******.

[asf]

stop being ********