Most OVERRATED video game

[jebacdrkac]

All the fifa games except the 1st fifa street. I find them extremely boring as most sport games.

No one considers fifa games to be good in the first place, except 13-year-olds, I guess. And no one apart from them and sport **** addicts buys them anyway

[Tangerine]

industry plant just like E33

I don't understand this. It logically makes no sense. Why would an industry that is so pozzed and gay make a game like this and charge $50 for it and embarrass the entire rest of their own industry? You saw the dev team photos where there is not a single bluehair, ******, fatty, or ****** right? In France of all places? You think the western game industry is behind that? If they are, it sure sounds to me like we won, when a few years ago we would get **** like "I can't believe a dev team looks like this in 2021..." from Jewson Cryer

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

[Tangerine]

This should be a poll.

[methoxetamine]

industry plant just like E33

I don't understand this. It logically makes no sense. Why would an industry that is so pozzed and gay make a game like this and charge $50 for it and embarrass the entire rest of their own industry? You saw the dev team photos where there is not a single bluehair, ******, fatty, or ****** right? In France of all places? You think the western game industry is behind that? If they are, it sure sounds to me like we won, when a few years ago we would get **** like "I can't believe a dev team looks like this in 2021..." from Jewson Cryer

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

I just don't get how it's relevant. The quality of the games speak for themselves. Mixtape was a nepo **** wasting millions of dollars to make a piece of **** for nobody to play. Meanwhile, E33 is rated higher by players than journos

[rusty_shackleford]

Meanwhile, E33 is rated higher by players than journos

They're wrong

[methoxetamine]

Meanwhile, E33 is rated higher by players than journos

They're wrong

I'm not here to debate the efficacy of review scores, but Mixtape and E33 are obviously polar opposites here since people actually played and love one of them

[rusty_shackleford]

Meanwhile, E33 is rated higher by players than journos

They're wrong

I'm not here to debate the efficacy of review scores, but Mixtape and E33 are obviously polar opposites here since people actually played and love one of them

E33 probably would have sold like 7 copies total without using shadowheart's VA to market it

[methoxetamine]

Keep coping and seething rusto, E33chads already won

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I did not know anything about the VAs until long after the game had come out. E33 was already on my radar because my friends who prefer Western games were talking about it because there just weren't any other high production value WRPGs coming out. There was Dragon Age 4 but nobody cared about that.

[Nico]

NieR: Automata
Outer Wilds
Dark Souls series

[rusty_shackleford]

NieR: Automata
Outer Wilds
Dark Souls series

I enjoyed demon's souls much more than any of the dark souls... imo underrated

[Breathe]

NieR: Automata
Outer Wilds
Dark Souls series

I enjoyed demon's souls much more than any of the dark souls... imo underrated

Have you been playing Dark Souls? I consider Demon and DS1 the best of the lot.

[Cipher]

industry plant just like E33

I don't understand this. It logically makes no sense. Why would an industry that is so pozzed and gay make a game like this and charge $50 for it and embarrass the entire rest of their own industry? You saw the dev team photos where there is not a single bluehair, ******, fatty, or ****** right? In France of all places? You think the western game industry is behind that? If they are, it sure sounds to me like we won, when a few years ago we would get **** like "I can't believe a dev team looks like this in 2021..." from Jewson Cryer

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

Not only "can", they did. This is why there's this idea that's been thrown around that somehow E33 "embarassed the gaming industry" because it achieved so much while being a so-called "indie game". But we know it was astroturfed from the get go, with a movie deal already in place before the game even released.

Something no indie game could achieve and hasn't achieved. As you said, truly indie games could not even dream of getting Shadowheart's voice actor, extremely hot right out of the heels of BG3, as their main character. Let us not forget as well that they got Daredevil to voice the fake main character, if only for the first act. No indie game could achieve one of those things. They got it all three. Movie deal, Daredevil, Shadowheart.

And we are to believe they did not have a budget? Sure, somehow the stars aligned and the little French studio did it all that running on hopes and dreams alone.

[methoxetamine]

I don't understand this. It logically makes no sense. Why would an industry that is so pozzed and gay make a game like this and charge $50 for it and embarrass the entire rest of their own industry? You saw the dev team photos where there is not a single bluehair, ******, fatty, or ****** right? In France of all places? You think the western game industry is behind that? If they are, it sure sounds to me like we won, when a few years ago we would get **** like "I can't believe a dev team looks like this in 2021..." from Jewson Cryer

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

Not only "can", they did. This is why there's this idea that's been thrown around that somehow E33 "embarassed the gaming industry" because it achieved so much while being a so-called "indie game". But we know it was astroturfed from the get go, with a movie deal already in place before the game even released.

Something no indie game could achieve and hasn't achieved. As you said, truly indie games could not even dream of getting Shadowheart's voice actor, extremely hot right out of the heels of BG3, as their main character. Let us not forget as well that they got Daredevil to voice the fake main character, if only for the first act. No indie game could achieve one of those things. They got it all three. Movie deal, Daredevil, Shadowheart.

And we are to believe they did not have a budget? Sure, somehow the stars aligned and the little French studio did it all that running on hopes and dreams alone.

They openly said the budget was 10 million and never changed that. Literally 1/20 to 1/30 of some AAA slop. Why didn't any of the fuckhuge companies think of this if it's that easy to "astroturf" a game to E33's level of success?

[Breathe]

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

Not only "can", they did. This is why there's this idea that's been thrown around that somehow E33 "embarassed the gaming industry" because it achieved so much while being a so-called "indie game". But we know it was astroturfed from the get go, with a movie deal already in place before the game even released.

Something no indie game could achieve and hasn't achieved. As you said, truly indie games could not even dream of getting Shadowheart's voice actor, extremely hot right out of the heels of BG3, as their main character. Let us not forget as well that they got Daredevil to voice the fake main character, if only for the first act. No indie game could achieve one of those things. They got it all three. Movie deal, Daredevil, Shadowheart.

And we are to believe they did not have a budget? Sure, somehow the stars aligned and the little French studio did it all that running on hopes and dreams alone.

They openly said the budget was 10 million and never changed that. Literally 1/20 to 1/30 of some AAA slop. Why didn't any of the fuckhuge companies think of this if it's that easy to "astroturf" a game to E33's level of success?

The game was funded by Kepler Interactive which is basically NetEase. They indeed used their resources to push how "great" this game was. You could feel the astroturf when it came out.

[Cipher]

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

Not only "can", they did. This is why there's this idea that's been thrown around that somehow E33 "embarassed the gaming industry" because it achieved so much while being a so-called "indie game". But we know it was astroturfed from the get go, with a movie deal already in place before the game even released.

Something no indie game could achieve and hasn't achieved. As you said, truly indie games could not even dream of getting Shadowheart's voice actor, extremely hot right out of the heels of BG3, as their main character. Let us not forget as well that they got Daredevil to voice the fake main character, if only for the first act. No indie game could achieve one of those things. They got it all three. Movie deal, Daredevil, Shadowheart.

And we are to believe they did not have a budget? Sure, somehow the stars aligned and the little French studio did it all that running on hopes and dreams alone.

They openly said the budget was 10 million and never changed that. Literally 1/20 to 1/30 of some AAA slop. Why didn't any of the fuckhuge companies think of this if it's that easy to "astroturf" a game to E33's level of success?

Ah, so it was all hopes and dreams? How did they got the movie deal before the game released as indie nobodies? What about the fact that Guillaume Broche comes from extreme wealth and could have easily used that to fund the game, if not also with connections?

Kepler Interactive, the publisher, absorbed the marketing cost and used their marketing budget (allegedly) to pay for the high profile voice actors. So, as far as I can tell that "10 million" budget is only true from a certain point of view.

[Tangerine]

The industry isn't a monolith. Mid-tier devs can get the benefits of the indie label, such as a fanbase that will forgive anything because it's not AAA, while still having budgets that are out of reach for actual indies. Mixtape is doing the same play.

Not only "can", they did. This is why there's this idea that's been thrown around that somehow E33 "embarassed the gaming industry" because it achieved so much while being a so-called "indie game". But we know it was astroturfed from the get go, with a movie deal already in place before the game even released.

Something no indie game could achieve and hasn't achieved. As you said, truly indie games could not even dream of getting Shadowheart's voice actor, extremely hot right out of the heels of BG3, as their main character. Let us not forget as well that they got Daredevil to voice the fake main character, if only for the first act. No indie game could achieve one of those things. They got it all three. Movie deal, Daredevil, Shadowheart.

And we are to believe they did not have a budget? Sure, somehow the stars aligned and the little French studio did it all that running on hopes and dreams alone.

They openly said the budget was 10 million and never changed that. Literally 1/20 to 1/30 of some AAA slop. Why didn't any of the fuckhuge companies think of this if it's that easy to "astroturf" a game to E33's level of success?

If you believe the budget was only 10 million, I have a bridge to sell you.

Ah, so it was all hopes and dreams? How did they got the movie deal before the game released as indie nobodies? What about the fact that Guillaume Broche comes from extreme wealth and could have easily used that to fund the game, if not also with connections?

Kepler Interactive, the publisher, absorbed the marketing cost and used their marketing budget (allegedly) to pay for the high profile voice actors. So, as far as I can tell that "10 million" budget is only true from a certain point of view.

Let's not forget the advertising and benefits from the French government as well.

[methoxetamine]

The thing is... I don't give a **** about any of that. I care about the actual quality of the game. and the game is incredible and not pozzed.

[methoxetamine]

You guys are mad a White guy with wealthy family actually used his money to make something good? Aren't there actual evil nepobabies to ***** about? Btw there is still zero proof whatsoever of Broches family funding the game, but if his dad paid every dime of it, I'd love to shake his hand.

[Tangerine]

I change my vote to E33.

[asf]

disco disco

[Kolgrim]

Metal Gear Solid.

[rusty_shackleford]

NieR: Automata
Outer Wilds
Dark Souls series

I enjoyed demon's souls much more than any of the dark souls... imo underrated

Have you been playing Dark Souls? I consider Demon and DS1 the best of the lot.

Played DS1 some prior but don't remember much of it

[methoxetamine]

Metal Gear Solid.

how

[maidenhaver]

Assassins Creed 1-forever.

I think its also done the most damage to games. Ar least GTAs simulated traffic and behaviors pretty well. *** Creeds basically enshrined movie games, ****** french writing, and stupid mechanics.

[Kolgrim]

Metal Gear Solid.

how

I feel like everything it gets praised for was either already done or not that special. The stealth mechanics aren't particularly good, the overhead camera angle is a detriment for the player. Why limit my sight-line to just a few feet in front of my character? The controls feel clunky and haven't aged well. The melodramatic story while being common to Japanese games felt even more silly then usual. Like how every defeated boss monologues about some life lesson after you defeat them and I'm supposed to care. Voice acting was already becoming a thing before MGS but many critics seem to only credit this game for implementing voice talent. Boss fights are all gimmick based. Lastly MGS is responsible for promoting the idea that games should be more like films which I fundamentally disagree with.

[The_Mask]

Black and White

[Valter]

You guys are mad a White guy with wealthy family actually used his money to make something good? Aren't there actual evil nepobabies to ***** about? Btw there is still zero proof whatsoever of Broches family funding the game, but if his dad paid every dime of it, I'd love to shake his hand.

I'm glad you've reached the acceptance stage. I really like the game too, but it is indie merely on technicallity, seeing the amount of AAA connections they had, most glaringly among the voice actors. So I would agree that it is astroturfed as per the common definition regarding the concealment of large sponsors. Their entire marketing campaign, and a successful one at that, was always about how tiny they were and how they got their main composer off Soundcloud and whatever other details favored the framing of a small team of passionate devs fueled by hopes and dreams.

[Valter]

They're wrong

I'm not here to debate the efficacy of review scores, but Mixtape and E33 are obviously polar opposites here since people actually played and love one of them

E33 probably would have sold like 7 copies total without using shadowheart's VA to market it

I was interested in the game since the first trailer, and I had no idea who any of these people were, be it the writers, the actors, whatever. Still haven't played BG3 past the tutorial so The Great Shadowheart's Great Reputation fell on deaf ears on me.

Not to mention it's an entirely different setting and game from BG3, aside from being turn-based. So even if those players recognized their familiar voice actress, I wouldn't bet on the Venn Diagram between the two games' playerbases overlapping as much as you might think.

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm not here to debate the efficacy of review scores, but Mixtape and E33 are obviously polar opposites here since people actually played and love one of them

E33 probably would have sold like 7 copies total without using shadowheart's VA to market it

I was interested in the game since the first trailer, and I had no idea who any of these people were, be it the writers, the actors, whatever. Still haven't played BG3 past the tutorial so The Great Shadowheart's Great Reputation fell on deaf ears on me.

Not to mention it's an entirely different setting and game from BG3, aside from being turn-based. So even if those players recognized their familiar voice actress, I wouldn't bet on the Venn Diagram between the two games' playerbases overlapping as much as you might think.

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