No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[orinEsque]

Halsin is bisexual, he talks about his bisexual underdark adventures.
Shadowheart can count as straight, but there's no proof either way, and this game lets women romance her. I would just leave her out of the infographic.

Shadowheart - no data
Gale - straight (due to Mystra.)
Wyll - no data
Halsin - bisexual
Astarion - gay (Sebastian)
Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)
Jaheira - straight as an arrow
Minsc - no data (straight assumed, but not putting it in the infographic because its not explicit)

[PixiGreen]

Shadowheart's parents.
A woman visiting her husband's grave in BG.
Wyll is known to be smitten by the ... do not remember which of the noble woman was it but it's in one of the dialogues.
Can we count the automaton and the Underdark Mage tower?

[orinEsque]

Shadowheart's parents.
A woman visiting her husband's grave in BG.
Wyll is known to be smitten by the ... do not remember which of the noble woman was it but it's in one of the dialogues.
Can we count the automaton and the Underdark Mage tower?

hmm I guess

[WhiteShark]

hmm I guess

It would probably make your infographic strongest to be as generous as you can in counting "straight couples" since the ratio will still obviously favor abnormal ones even if a few questionable instances get put into the "straight" category.

[orinEsque]

hmm I guess

It would probably make your infographic strongest to be as generous as you can in counting "straight couples" since the ratio will still obviously favor abnormal ones even if a few questionable instances get put into the "straight" category.

Yes I'm using a set of rules that will apply to both straight and gay couples, otherwise it wouldn't be very scientific.
So these are the rules:
1. Disqualified: if somebody is mentioned as a wife or husband or lover, but the gender of their partner is not mentioned
2. Disqualified: being a father or a mother doesn't count, since we've seen with the gay gnomes that larian has allowed gay couples to adopt in 1480s
3. Flavour Text: If a couple is mentioned (even a passing mention) in a single flavour text, and neither appear in-game, they are counted as 1 entry. (because in NA we remove gay ones)
4. Ingame + Flavour Text: If Ingame character mentions a partner by name, they will be included as two separate entries. Otherwise unnamed partner won't get another entry.
5. Lovers mentioned in statue plaques count.
6. Lovers mentioned in graves count.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

[*]Orc-tiefling couple looking for accommodation in Wryms way

Sorry for the off-topic, but thanks God I somehow missed this horror.

[Valerie]

Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)

She says she loved Gortash in the past. Dunno if this relevant to your research, but still.
I've never seen this line myself in the game (I always cut her head off), but I found it in "WYR_GortashConfrontation_SoulConsumption" file:

Karlach: All of it, so I could rot. Because the person I trusted - I loved that ******* animal - gave me away to the devil.

Btw, since I just lurk here, I never had a chance to thank you for your hard work. You are very inspiring.

[PixiGreen]

Btw, Minsc for two games was taking care of "witches" (first Dynaheir, then Aerie). He never ever expressed any interest in the same sex but his care for witches was not sexual either - he served and protected them. How do you call that? Asexual?

[rusty_shackleford]

I'd say Minsc is nonsexual due to mental impairment, he's not capable of understanding it.

[orinEsque]

Btw, Minsc for two games was taking care of "witches" (first Dynaheir, then Aerie). He never ever expressed any interest in the same sex but his care for witches was not sexual either - he served and protected them. How do you call that? Asexual?

Noooo Minsc isn't asexual, he's easily beguiled by pretty ladies, even if they're evil (Viconia).

He had a head injury that makes him too child like for writers to consider putting him into some relationship. And honestly not everyone's sexuality need to be fleshed out.

[orinEsque]

Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)

She says she loved Gortash in the past. Dunno if this relevant to your research, but still.
I've never seen this line myself in the game (I always cut her head off), but I found it in "WYR_GortashConfrontation_SoulConsumption" file:

Karlach: All of it, so I could rot. Because the person I trusted - I loved that ******* animal - gave me away to the devil.

Btw, since I just lurk here, I never had a chance to thank you for your hard work. You are very inspiring.

Hmm if the quote exists and non other to prove she swings the other way, then she's straight. Player sexuality doesn't count, considering that's just Larian catering to ********

[swolenigga]

you would make tons more money via paypal if you werent a disgusting stinky ****** :/

[Makirige]

Halsin is bisexual, he talks about his bisexual underdark adventures.
Shadowheart can count as straight, but there's no proof either way, and this game lets women romance her. I would just leave her out of the infographic.

Shadowheart - no data
Gale - straight (due to Mystra.)
Wyll - no data
Halsin - bisexual
Astarion - gay (Sebastian)
Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)
Jaheira - straight as an arrow
Minsc - no data (straight assumed, but not putting it in the infographic because its not explicit)

Astarion is not gay, rather bisexual, I had arguments, don't have them all in mind. What comes to mind is the official music from Down by the River, featuring Shadowheart and Astarion together.

Plus, Astarion hits on Shadowheart and Karlach, if you don't romanticize them.

[Lyx0081]

Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)

She says she loved Gortash in the past. Dunno if this relevant to your research, but still.
I've never seen this line myself in the game (I always cut her head off), but I found it in "WYR_GortashConfrontation_SoulConsumption" file:

Karlach: All of it, so I could rot. Because the person I trusted - I loved that ******* animal - gave me away to the devil.

Btw, since I just lurk here, I never had a chance to thank you for your hard work. You are very inspiring.

Hmm if the quote exists and non other to prove she swings the other way, then she's straight. Player sexuality doesn't count, considering that's just Larian catering to ********

sadly they troonified her. if you play her origin and long rest on the beach immediately, you can go through specific dialogue choices and get the lines when she dreams of ******* with a female halfling and some dude

[orinEsque]

Astarion is not gay, rather bisexual, I had arguments, don't have them all in mind. What comes to mind is the official music from Down by the River, featuring Shadowheart and Astarion together.

Plus, Astarion hits on Shadowheart and Karlach, if you don't romanticize them.

Thanks for reminding me!

sadly they troonified her. if you play her origin and long rest on the beach immediately, you can go through specific dialogue choices and get the lines when she dreams of ******* with a female halfling and some dude

Well thanks, another line added to my TO DO list.
What's that tool you are using to explore dialogue?

[rusty_shackleford]

I'd say Minsc is nonsexual due to mental impairment, he's not capable of understanding it.

As this might be interpreted as a joke: I can't remember if this is brought up in BG3, but yes, he's mentally impaired. He suffered severe blows to his head that changed him, along with losing his grip on reality after Dynaheir died.
It's in his biography in Baldur's Gate:

When asked about his past, MINSC proudly announces that he is a berserker warrior from the nation of Rasheman in the utter east. He is currently undertaking his dejemma, a ritual journey to manhood, and is seeking adventure and glory in battle. It is also his honor to be the bodyguard of a young Wychalarn of Rasheman named Dynaheir, and if anyone tries to harm her he will beat sense into their heads until they reconsider. He is unsure as to why she has led them to the Sword Coast, but his loyalty is unquestioning. If he serves her well and distinguishes himself in battle he hopes to be accepted into the Ice Dragon berserker lodge upon return to their homeland. So far Minsc considers his most notable experience in the world abroad to be the acquisition of his animal companion 'Boo,' a creature that he claims is a miniature giant space hamster. Apparently such things do exist in the Realms, but Minsc has surely taken too many blows to the head. He seems a good-natured fellow, but is all too willing to indulge his berserker nature.

BG2:

When asked about his past, MINSC proclaims that he is a berserker warrior from the nation of Rashemen in the utter east, though his affinity for animals speaks to his skill as a ranger as well. He originally came to the Sword Coast on a dejemma, a ritual journey to manhood, as the bodyguard of a young Wychalarn of Rasheman named Dynaheir. To his shame, Dynaheir is now dead, and he fears that the doors of the honored Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge are forever closed to him. This personal tragedy has obviously not strengthened Minsc's hold on reality, as evidenced by his continued dependence on his animal companion 'Boo', a creature that he claims is a miniature giant space hamster. Apparently such things do exist somewhere in the Realms, but Minsc has surely taken too many blows to the head.

[Envuen]

Regardless of his mental state I'd go with "Minsc is straight". I played through BG1 and 2 and not once have I noticed anything suggesting otherwise. He doesn't ever consider a possibility where a male mage could become "his witch" after Dynaheir dies. Also he is apparently based on a certain character from another era:

"Minsc originates from pen-and-paper sessions held by Baldur's Gate's lead designer James Ohlen, and the roster of players included current giants in the RPG industry. He was conceived and played by Cameron Tofer"

I doubt a character from that period of time would dare to be anything but hetero.

tl;dr - Minsc is awesome, do not besmirch my childhood in-vidyagame buddy

[orinEsque]

Remember we aren't talking about who is/ isn't straight.
But NPCs whose husband/wife/lover are explicitly mentioned or shown in the game, or is a ******.

[Lyx0081]

Astarion is not gay, rather bisexual, I had arguments, don't have them all in mind. What comes to mind is the official music from Down by the River, featuring Shadowheart and Astarion together.

Plus, Astarion hits on Shadowheart and Karlach, if you don't romanticize them.

Thanks for reminding me!

sadly they troonified her. if you play her origin and long rest on the beach immediately, you can go through specific dialogue choices and get the lines when she dreams of ******* with a female halfling and some dude

Well thanks, another line added to my TO DO list.
What's that tool you are using to explore dialogue?

i'm using BG3 dialogue reader/parser. really nice tool that lets you look through different files/scenes with dialogues
https://github.com/angaityel/bg3-dialog-reader
and all dialogue files should be stored in Gustav.pak

[Oyster Sauce]

Remember we aren't talking about who is/ isn't straight.
But NPCs whose husband/wife/lover are explicitly mentioned or shown in the game, or is a ******.

Just from searching "wife" on the wiki

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Boney https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Stoney (monsters)
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Arves had memory of his wife intentionally erased after her death
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Dravo_Flymm https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Sally_Flymm Gortash's parents
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Ben_Golewits https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Marpha_Golewits the iconic squatters
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Garron_Flintsplitter https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Gizelle_Flintsplitter either a normal white dwarf couple or albino Asian, hard to tell
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Roger_Highberry https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Cora_Highberry white gnomes
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Fortuno_Dibbs https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Grisselda_Dibbs black/weird blonde Asian couple
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Benryn https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Mirileth Burning building dead wife guy
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Peil_Hullhollyn https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Winstra_Hullhollyn human mixed race
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Locke https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Komira Arabella's parents
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Maghtew_Budj https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Kressa_Bonedaughter cultist couple
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Elias_Fischer https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Anita_Fischer
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Pandirna lesbian, dead wife (FWIW I went in order and this was the first gay character on the list)

I don't feel like scrolling because there are so ******* many but this is a good way to find them https://bg3.wiki/w/index.php?title=Spec ... earch=wife

[orinEsque]

Remember we aren't talking about who is/ isn't straight.
But NPCs whose husband/wife/lover are explicitly mentioned or shown in the game, or is a ******.

Just from searching "wife" on the wiki

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Boney https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Stoney (monsters)
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Arves had memory of his wife intentionally erased after her death
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Dravo_Flymm https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Sally_Flymm Gortash's parents
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Ben_Golewits https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Marpha_Golewits the iconic squatters
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Garron_Flintsplitter https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Gizelle_Flintsplitter either a normal white dwarf couple or albino Asian, hard to tell
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Roger_Highberry https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Cora_Highberry white gnomes
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Fortuno_Dibbs https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Grisselda_Dibbs black/weird blonde Asian couple
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Benryn https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Mirileth Burning building dead wife guy
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Peil_Hullhollyn https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Winstra_Hullhollyn human mixed race
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Locke https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Komira Arabella's parents
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Maghtew_Budj https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Kressa_Bonedaughter cultist couple
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Elias_Fischer https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Anita_Fischer
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Pandirna lesbian, dead wife (FWIW I went in order and this was the first gay character on the list)

I don't feel like scrolling because there are so ******* many but this is a good way to find them https://bg3.wiki/w/index.php?title=Spec ... earch=wife

cool I managed to get 18 new ones, on top of the 80 straight couples I found yesterday. Thanks

[probmfixn]

not sure if this counts due to the obvious exploitation but "True Love's Embrace" comes with a "Husband's diary" and explicitly references a wife

[Valerie]

Halsin is bisexual, he talks about his bisexual underdark adventures.
Shadowheart can count as straight, but there's no proof either way, and this game lets women romance her. I would just leave her out of the infographic.

Shadowheart - no data
Gale - straight (due to Mystra.)
Wyll - no data
Halsin - bisexual
Astarion - gay (Sebastian)
Karlach - no data (? i know nothing about her)
Jaheira - straight as an arrow
Minsc - no data (straight assumed, but not putting it in the infographic because its not explicit)

Astarion is not gay, rather bisexual, I had arguments, don't have them all in mind. What comes to mind is the official music from Down by the River, featuring Shadowheart and Astarion together.

Plus, Astarion hits on Shadowheart and Karlach, if you don't romanticize them.

On top of that, Astarion has sex with Laezel at the tiefling party, if player hasn't romanced either of them.

[Nobere]

I do not know if you would count Stoney and Boney from the Circus of the Last Days in Act 3.

While Boney is quite obliviously male, and he refers to Stoney as his wife, it's kind of hard to tell what she actually is.
(She is a Mud Elemental).

[Kain]

I think the mephit is delusional.

[orinEsque]

I think the mephit is delusional.

Pretty sure Larian was making a very boring joke. And knowing how woke the writers are i disagree

[RomulusVII]

Greetings, normal people. I should warn you that I use a translator, so English may not be perfect.

I've been wanting to play a game with this wonderful mod for a long time. But I ran into a problem, namely, my mod manager is not working. I tried to solve this problem in different ways, and nothing helped.

In the end, I tried to install the mod by simply putting all the necessary files in the mods folder. After that, I activated them inside the game in the Larian mod manager. I tried downloading old saves to test the robotability of the mod, and surprisingly, everything was fine. At least at first glance. Sebastian became a woman, and Aylin became a man, as it should be. There was also nothing wrong with the voice.

But above, orinEsque wrote that you should use a unofficial mod manager to install the mod. I want to start the game in honour mode, and I would not like to have problems in the future that could ruin the save.

So, are there any reasons why you don't recommend using the Larian mod manager? What problems can I face? Should I stop using the mod if there is no option to use a unofficial mod manager?

[orinEsque]

Greetings, normal people. I should warn you that I use a translator, so English may not be perfect.

I've been wanting to play a game with this wonderful mod for a long time. But I ran into a problem, namely, my mod manager is not working. I tried to solve this problem in different ways, and nothing helped.

In the end, I tried to install the mod by simply putting all the necessary files in the mods folder. After that, I activated them inside the game in the Larian mod manager. I tried downloading old saves to test the robotability of the mod, and surprisingly, everything was fine. At least at first glance. Sebastian became a woman, and Aylin became a man, as it should be. There was also nothing wrong with the voice.

But above, orinEsque wrote that you should use a unofficial mod manager to install the mod. I want to start the game in honour mode, and I would not like to have problems in the future that could ruin the save.

So, are there any reasons why you don't recommend using the Larian mod manager? What problems can I face? Should I stop using the mod if there is no option to use a unofficial mod manager?

Because No Alphabets only makes changes to non player characters and doesn't add scripts or items, you can remove the mods at any time. So it won't break your game on honor mode. If in doubt, you can always back up your save.

Problems arise when you combine dropping mods in the mods folder and use the unofficial mod manager at the same time.

1. Some people reported crashing at a crucial scene, which they only got past by removing the mods.
2. Another had a very creepy looking Ser Aylin with his head all over the place. Basically the mod was only half working.

The way to fix that is to remove everything from your mods folder and reinstalling query mod manager.

3. You will have trouble customising other mods like wylls of toril without a mod manager.

But I actually made no alphabets in a way that you should not be a mod manager. So if you are using this method, do not attempt to use the unofficial mod manager at all.

Your comment was very understandable.
Hope you can translate this easily, too. Enjoy.

[Starry_Nites]

Thank you, good Samaritan for removing this scourge upon our planet! I mean, men kissing?? What?? TRAINS woman???? Huh??? Won't somebody think of the children????? This game is such a step down from the ET game on the Atari, which is my all-time favorite game. Larian needs to stope woekness!!! I mean, look where all of this inclusivity got them! 33 game awards for BG3!! Let's stop pandering to the woek mob and begin pandering to the people that really need it: White Cisgender Heterosexual Men. The reign of transgenderism is OVER!!! The oppressed minority of white men needs to rise up!!!

[Acrux]

GOOD point!