Baldur's Gate 3

[wndrbr]

Steam updates are done via diffs therefore if you have the early access installed the download will almost certainly be smaller.

you can't make a diff file if the original asset packs are compressed or encrypted.

[The_Mask]

[Shillitron]

Steam updates are done via diffs therefore if you have the early access installed the download will almost certainly be smaller.

Not really.
If they repackaged the files differently and the checksums are different on their asset bundles, you will have to redownload the entire package even if they share common assets.

You can see this phenomenon on many game engines that leverage referential asset bundles (Unity and UE). Steam can not reconcile the internal addressing of single assets within a bundle it just checksums the full archive (which will fail between EA and Live release).

I won't claim to be an expert on Larian's game engine and resourcing strategy (although I vaguely remember their packaging scheme for DOS:2) but Swen basically said this already.

With compression your looking at about 80 gigs to download.. 110 gigs on disk.

[Gunnar]

You are both wrong, Larian is using a new compression method, the gigahomo, where each byte of Baldurs Gay 3 is personally molested by a black ****** with monkeypox and its dog. All prominent members of codex and rpghq are excitedly teaming up with a partner from reddit and resetera for the chance to uncompress each of those gigahomos for hours on ‘release’ day.

[Atlantico]

Honestly it's ok to skip this game for the first few weeks or even months. Or just skip this game. It's ok if you don't play it on release day. Or ever.

This isn't Baldur's Gate.

[Ratcatcher]

I'm honestly skipping this for the time being. The pozzing was too deep and too in your face for me to apreciate the game atm, I would probably just rage at globohomo. Maybe I'll get back to this once I'm over it but for me is like the ultimate validation for the degenerates and weirdos that turned pnp and cRPGs into fetish apreciation groups.

[Acrux]

Or, you know, you could just never play this game created by and for homosexuals.

[J1M]

Incoming Valve server crash:



Unfortunately we’re unable to make Baldur’s Gate 3 available for pre-load — Steam doesn’t support pre-load for Early Access titles because switching to pre-load would break the game for people currently playing Early Access.

We still recommend deleting your save files/mods and doing a fresh install of Baldur’s Gate 3 in preparation for August 3!

Belongs in the dev incompetence thread. Given that saves aren't compatible, there would be no downside to ending early access a week early to allow preloading.

[Fedora Master]

Unfunny garbage

[Shillitron]

Speak for yourselves. I'm gonna buck break baldurs gate.

[rusty_shackleford]

Steam updates are done via diffs therefore if you have the early access installed the download will almost certainly be smaller.

you can't make a diff file if the original asset packs are compressed or encrypted.

Why not?
Just rsync'd the image for hq vault to the server which is a zstd compressed tarball

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sending incremental file list
vault.tar.zst

sent 207,050,931 bytes  received 136,109 bytes  2,289,359.56 bytes/sec
total size is 377,468,292  speedup is 1.82

Only had to upload about half of the archive. It depends entirely on what I'm touching tho, from earlier:

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sending incremental file list
vault.tar.zst

sent 49,754,546 bytes  received 136,109 bytes  2,217,362.44 bytes/sec
total size is 377,551,891  speedup is 7.57

And this is much more touchy as it's a multilayered container image.

[The_Mask]

[Shillitron]

Steam updates are done via diffs therefore if you have the early access installed the download will almost certainly be smaller.

you can't make a diff file if the original asset packs are compressed or encrypted.

Why not?
Just rsync'd the image for hq vault to the server which is a zstd compressed tarball

Code: Select all

sending incremental file list
vault.tar.zst

sent 207,050,931 bytes  received 136,109 bytes  2,289,359.56 bytes/sec
total size is 377,468,292  speedup is 1.82

Only had to upload about half of the archive. It depends entirely on what I'm touching tho, from earlier:

Code: Select all

sending incremental file list
vault.tar.zst

sent 49,754,546 bytes  received 136,109 bytes  2,217,362.44 bytes/sec
total size is 377,551,891  speedup is 7.57

And this is much more touchy as it's a multilayered container image.

Steam would need to know how to unpack the archive. and logically diff the individual assets inside. It's very unlikely it can do this for each proprietary engine. Especially when those Engines change their packaging mechanism - every single release (Unreal)

[wndrbr]

Steam would need to know how to unpack the archive. and logically diff the individual assets inside. It's very unlikely it can do this for each proprietary engine. Especially when those Engines change their packaging mechanism - every single release (Unreal)

even if Valve somehow implement this feature, it most likely won't be entirely automated and will still require a lot of effort from the devs. And as we all know, devs are lazy buggers. This isn't 90s anymore, no one's gonna waste time and effort on trying to decrease the size of a patch.

[rusty_shackleford]

Steam would need to know how to unpack the archive. and logically diff the individual assets inside. It's very unlikely it can do this for each proprietary engine. Especially when those Engines change their packaging mechanism - every single release (Unreal)

even if Valve somehow implement this feature, it most likely won't be entirely automated and will still require a lot of effort from the devs. And as we all know, devs are lazy buggers. This isn't 90s anymore, no one's gonna waste time and effort on trying to decrease the size of a patch.

…file diffs are automated though.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

SteamPipe has an efficient patching algorithm based on binary deltas, only changing the modified portions of existing content files. When this content is updated, only these deltas need be sent. This means both developer and user transfers are smaller and faster. Most partners will find that using a SteamPipe Local Content Server not necessary since they can efficiently patch builds on private branches.

[wndrbr]

Steam would need to know how to unpack the archive. and logically diff the individual assets inside. It's very unlikely it can do this for each proprietary engine. Especially when those Engines change their packaging mechanism - every single release (Unreal)

even if Valve somehow implement this feature, it most likely won't be entirely automated and will still require a lot of effort from the devs. And as we all know, devs are lazy buggers. This isn't 90s anymore, no one's gonna waste time and effort on trying to decrease the size of a patch.

…file diffs are automated though.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading

SteamPipe has an efficient patching algorithm based on binary deltas, only changing the modified portions of existing content files. When this content is updated, only these deltas need be sent. This means both developer and user transfers are smaller and faster. Most partners will find that using a SteamPipe Local Content Server not necessary since they can efficiently patch builds on private branches.

i know that they are currently automated. But these days game data is obfuscated to hell and back for some reason. As Shilltron said, Steam's xdelta patching system needs to know how those data files are archived/encrypted before creating a delta file, and it would be up for the devs to teach it.

[General Reign]

Should I play DOS2?

[Goth-Girl-Supremacy]

If it makes you go away then yes.

[J1M]

Was thinking about multiclassing a Paladin with Fighter to pick up a third attack and then realized that they would not stack with each other. Pretty lame. Any suggestions for a dip class for Paladin in 5e? (As far as I know Hexblade is not part of BG3 and that appears to be the most popular because it turns STR into a dump stat. With STR buffing jump distance in BG3, I don't really have an interest in making STR a dump stat anyway.)

I definitely want the CHA aura from Paladin so I'd be looking at up to 6 levels to spread around.

Aside: seems like the attribute bonus changes will make some races pretty terrible, like dwarves and humans. Any news on what they did to try and balance that out?

[GhostCow]

Aside: seems like the attribute bonus changes will make some races pretty terrible, like dwarves and humans. Any news on what they did to try and balance that out?

Humans are getting spear and light armor proficiency. Some other proficiencies too, but I forget. It sounds pretty ****.

[rusty_shackleford]

Still not gonna prevent Tav the human fighter from being #1

Also, darkvision is by far better than the attribute bonus so it's a **** trade with **** balance implications.

[J1M]

Aside: seems like the attribute bonus changes will make some races pretty terrible, like dwarves and humans. Any news on what they did to try and balance that out?

Humans are getting spear and light armor proficiency. Some other proficiencies too, but I forget. It sounds pretty ****.

Ahh yes, because all humans are casters. It's fine, I was intending to play a race with darkvision anyway.

[J1M]

Was thinking about multiclassing a Paladin with Fighter to pick up a third attack and then realized that they would not stack with each other. Pretty lame. Any suggestions for a dip class for Paladin in 5e? (As far as I know Hexblade is not part of BG3 and that appears to be the most popular because it turns STR into a dump stat. With STR buffing jump distance in BG3, I don't really have an interest in making STR a dump stat anyway.)

I definitely want the CHA aura from Paladin so I'd be looking at up to 6 levels to spread around.

Aside: seems like the attribute bonus changes will make some races pretty terrible, like dwarves and humans. Any news on what they did to try and balance that out?

If dipping into a caster class provides additional first level spell slots, maybe I could dip into all of the caster classes for additional smite charges, lol.

[Shillitron]

Testing Rusty's Storage Service + Shitposting BG3 Memes..

Win Win.


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[Emphyrio]

Wait, is BG3 secretly based? Does Swen really collect SS uniforms?

[Emphyrio]

Should I play DOS2?

The first island is good. On the second island it starts to get ******** with the level bloat and you start needing to change every piece of gear you own every level or at most 2 levels. There's mods that fix it I think. I ran into a gamebreaking bug on the 2nd island and lost interest in the game before they ever got around to fixing it.

[Shillitron]

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[Shillitron]

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[rusty_shackleford]

@Shillitron let me know when the HQ edition is available.

[rusty_shackleford]

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