Ross Scott's 'Stop Killing Games' Campaign

[Xenich]

have you considered just making your own thing tho

Would that be easier than continuing on an existing project that is abandoned?

Maybe it's not abandoned but finished?

Apparently not finished for those who would continue it on?

[Xenich]

I think the owners of something should be allowed to say "OK, we're done with this, and taking it any further would just make it worse"

Company can do whatever they want with their product, I am not talking about allowing external means to assert control on the company, I am saying don't allow a company to indefinitely assert control on things they refuse to allow to exist in market or society. Use it... or lose it. /shrug

[rusty_shackleford]

Would that be easier than continuing on an existing project that is abandoned?

Maybe it's not abandoned but finished?

Apparently not finished for those who would continue it on?

I want IP to be completely non-transferable and die with the author. This would have saved me from having to live in a world with Rings of Power, which would be a net good.

[Trickster]

Ross Scott finally got a response from the AAA industry. It wasn't a letter; it was just a 400-page update to the End User License Agreement that everyone clicked "Accept" on without reading.

Section 8, Paragraph 4 now simply reads: "By breathing in the general direction of our software, you acknowledge that you do not own this game, you do not own the pixels, and you don’t even own the right to be sad when we turn it off. In fact, you owe us $15 for the emotional labor of us clicking the "Delete All" button.

[Kalarion]

Oh look, Rusty once again arriving to **** up a thread and then get butthurt when people tell him to **** off. It's so weird that this keeps happening! Surely it's everyone else's fault!

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Ross Scott finally got a response from the AAA industry. It wasn't a letter; it was just a 400-page update to the End User License Agreement that everyone clicked "Accept" on without reading.

Section 8, Paragraph 4 now simply reads: "By breathing in the general direction of our software, you acknowledge that you do not own this game, you do not own the pixels, and you don’t even own the right to be sad when we turn it off. In fact, you owe us $15 for the emotional labor of us clicking the "Delete All" button.

Negging coomfag. YWNBAH. Get out.

[rusty_shackleford]

Oh look, Rusty once again arriving to **** up a thread and then get butthurt when people tell him to **** off. It's so weird that this keeps happening! Surely it's everyone else's fault!

RDS

[Xenich]

As I said, "Use it or lose it". I understand the need for some protections of people developing and releasing ideas/works to ensure they can recover their investment and efforts as well as profit on that idea, but we have gone way past that in todays society. In fact, those people aren't even protected as the "protections" that were created for those things are used currently to **** over the very people these laws were created to protect.

Also, these laws allow for parasitical control by people who have nothing to do with the creation of the product. It is all "contract" games of no talent scammers, no worth groups and individuals trying to milk value. It is the "I copyrighted the 'happy birthday' song, now pay me every time you sing it!" BS. It is financial companies buying up rights and products to sit on them to force control on the market or leverage income.

Microsoft bought out the rights to "Shadowrun" and refused any works to it for years because of ridiculous "Pay us massive amounts of money" or simply because they didn't want competition in something they were doing. The whole concept of this is screwed up. Disney spent decades upon decades constantly seeking government to "protect" them from having to innovate. They rode out the talents of the past and market if off it rather than having to compete.

Those are not "free markets" looking to constantly push the envelope to expand and better their works, they are control mechanisms to keep anyone from doing one better over their works.

We already saw how THJ and other past "volunteer" works have made major companies look like complete morons, lazy and lacking innovation with their efforts, and what has it produced? Media that is stagnate, lacking, and degrading because anytime they do, they are hit with an army of lawyers to shut them down.

As I said, I am not pushing commie ******** to **** over and demand companies do anything, just don't allow them to sit on **** they don't plan on doing anything with. I mean, imagine how much more we would have if companies couldn't hide away past works to control the market? They might actually have to compete for new ideas and directions... so horrible... nope... milk with the minimum, let the lazy and incompetent decide innovation... that will certainly work!

[Xenich]

Maybe it's not abandoned but finished?

Apparently not finished for those who would continue it on?

I want IP to be completely non-transferable and die with the author. This would have saved me from having to live in a world with Rings of Power, which would be a net good.

Does it bother you when you see people doing things you don't want them to do? Let me guess, you are on an HOA council?

[rusty_shackleford]

Apparently not finished for those who would continue it on?

I want IP to be completely non-transferable and die with the author. This would have saved me from having to live in a world with Rings of Power, which would be a net good.

Does it bother you when you see people doing things you don't want them to do? Let me guess, you are on an HOA council?

It does in fact bother me when I see people destroy beautiful things.

[Trickster]

Oh look, Rusty once again arriving to **** up a thread and then get butthurt when people tell him to **** off. It's so weird that this keeps happening! Surely it's everyone else's fault!

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Ross Scott finally got a response from the AAA industry. It wasn't a letter; it was just a 400-page update to the End User License Agreement that everyone clicked "Accept" on without reading.

Section 8, Paragraph 4 now simply reads: "By breathing in the general direction of our software, you acknowledge that you do not own this game, you do not own the pixels, and you don’t even own the right to be sad when we turn it off. In fact, you owe us $15 for the emotional labor of us clicking the "Delete All" button.

Negging coomfag. YWNBAH. Get out.

This isn't your reddit circlejerk, so I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. But I know what will happen: you’re going to die alone without ever passing on your genes (which is a good thing and really boosts my mood). And since you’ve been so kind as to cheer me up, here’s some motivation for your self-improvement:

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*************, woke ******

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Pink Guy - ************* [Official IM Audio]

[Xenich]

I want IP to be completely non-transferable and die with the author. This would have saved me from having to live in a world with Rings of Power, which would be a net good.

Does it bother you when you see people doing things you don't want them to do? Let me guess, you are on an HOA council?

It does in fact bother me when I see people destroy beautiful things.

I would say the same for companies who start with a great project, fire all of its original developers and then run with the "business approach" to run those original creative works into the ground to which they cancel it and move off to another target to be parasites on.

This type of system I mention would stop that. Once they dropped the cancerous work they did (because they are not making the money they want), it would fall off after a time period to which would force it into that open license and the moment it did, others could take it up, repair/rework/expand/etc... and carry it on. They may have to "reengineer" some things (as we would not require any company to provide anything legally), but they would be protected in that the original company could not assert control over them.

A true "use it or lose it" concept and with this... we may see "amazing" ideas come from it. Imagine how many MMOs, games, etc... which failed, were thrown to the **** can to sit on "legally" which could then be reworked and actually shown to be viable with a different vision or approach.

[Trickster]

Stop Killing Games at the European Parliament | Full Hearing Highlights

[Xenich]

I will be honest, I am more controversial about this stuff, but I would put a time limit on copyright material for everything after a certain point (not sure what would be a good time measure) so that eventually, it opens up to anyone and others can take those ideas and create their own works. So the market for the success is not "I own the works and so can force everyone to me", but rather who wins out is the one with the best ideas concerning the works.

Imagine if anyone could take a 20 year work and make a movie, game, etc... either through "remake" or adaption? I think you would see some AMAZING results from it and what succeeded would be based on the "sale" of it, not some ******** concept of "we own it, you will consume any **** we shove down your throat". It would kill "politically" motivated material for the most part and only that of real value would succeed, but then... they don't want that... They would actually have to compete for good ideas, rather than marketing off original ones they modify for their own intent.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Pink Guy - ************* [Official IM Audio]

This were a better times...

[asf]

everybody making remakes and remasters should be rounded up and sent to the sun

[Stack of Turtles]

I understand where Rusty's coming from here and I agree that preserving games is stupid and you should make your own thing instead, BUT, I also believe every game dev deserves to see his work stolen and destroyed by furry and ****** modders. It's very conflicting.

[sheet]

The entire video game market should have zero copyright protections and be funded solely through "buy me a beer" type of funding. I only want enthusiasts making games, not career jerks who have to process everything through a corporate meat grinder.

[Atlantico]

US law has large carveouts for interoperability, ymmv in shitholes

it's not about interoperability it's about copyright and so no "US law" doesn't have a "large carveout" for copyright infringers.

[rusty_shackleford]

US law has large carveouts for interoperability, ymmv in shitholes

it's not about interoperability it's about copyright and so no "US law" doesn't have a "large carveout" for copyright infringers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Comp ... ectix_Corp.

(1)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.
(2)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.
(3)The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.
(4)For purposes of this subsection, the term “interoperability” means the ability of computer programs to exchange information, and of such programs mutually to use the information which has been exchanged.

[Kalarion]

This isn't your reddit circlejerk, so I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. But I know what will happen: you’re going to die alone without ever passing on your genes (which is a good thing and really boosts my mood).

Got this far, laughed and stopped reading. You're just a libtard, you can't even help yourself. I have no power or I would have had you up against the wall ages ago, c'est la vie. YWNBAH. Get out.

[Trickster]

I have no power

Exactly. It’s the same here as it is in real life. So all that's left for you to do is throw a fit like the pathetic soyboy you are and spam the same old whining, hoping I’ll listen to your brainless NPC pleas

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never gonna happen. Stay mad, moron

[Atlantico]

US law has large carveouts for interoperability, ymmv in shitholes

it's not about interoperability it's about copyright and so no "US law" doesn't have a "large carveout" for copyright infringers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Comp ... ectix_Corp.

(1)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.
(2)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.
(3)The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.
(4)For purposes of this subsection, the term “interoperability” means the ability of computer programs to exchange information, and of such programs mutually to use the information which has been exchanged.

I told you and you didn't read/listen/understand. This isn't about running programs, it's about copyright. You may have a license for a client to a game that is hosted partially or entirely on a server. You are not entitled to share the intellectual property on said servers.

You don't have a license for that. The game you have a license for is just a client.

[Rand]

I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to sell half a product where your half can stop working the second they decide they don't want to run thieir half anymore.

[Stack of Turtles]

I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to sell half a product where your half can stop working the second they decide they don't want to run thieir half anymore.

telephone company

[Rand]

I can't think of any other industry that is allowed to sell half a product where your half can stop working the second they decide they don't want to run thieir half anymore.

telephone company

I thought about that, but there's nothing stopping you from setting up your own intranet phone system with any non-digital phone. Plenty of buildings have them.

[Nessa]

I'm just here enjoying a bunch of dorks defending multinational corporations with long lines of Jewish lawyers. It's a beautiful thing.

Remember to get excited for Next Product™ everyone!

[Atlantico]

I'm just here enjoying a bunch of dorks defending multinational corporations with long lines of Jewish lawyers. It's a beautiful thing.

Remember to get excited for Next Product™ everyone!

eh it's just the site admin trying to create content by shitposting

lazy ****

[Tweed]

Why are people trying to argue with Rusty?

[DrSneed]

Rusty is actually Japanese

[rusty_shackleford]