Neverwinter Nights 2 Enhanced Edition by Aspyr

[Acrux]

Regarding NWN2 & IWD2, Beamdog has always claimed to have lost the source code. Never a straight forward answer from them.

Not even Burger Bill could find the IWD2 source code a couple of years ago, and if anyone would have known where to look for it it's him. He was the unofficial archivist for Interplay for a long, long time

Some Indy basement dwellers came out with an unofficial EE for IWD2. Red Chimera I think.

I know. It's a mod and it's actually pretty good. We have a thread about it: viewtopic.php?t=1496-icewind-dale-2-enh ... -community

[Zerik]

remakes are always made by *******, never seen one that was better than the original

I disagree with that mindset. The best remake in my opinion is exactly as good as the original. Just technically updated with proper thought about the original intent and effort (No, that does not mean just throwing the old assets into an AI upscaler and calling it a day) .

It's when the thought process of making it *better* with no intent for the original vision creeps in, that's when all the ******** **** happens. It's when the writing gets ripped apart, it's when gameplay and atmosphere gets butchered into something else, its when modernisms creep in.

I don't care if you have the original developers on the team that give their *ok* or have some ******** guilt about what they put in the game all that time age. Keep your arrogance out of the classics, please.

On that note I personally really enjoyed the Spyro: Reignited trilogy. Same games, updated with effort to how I'd expect them to look 20 years later. So, yeah. That's what I want my remakes to be.

[Lord of Riva]

Absolutely no point, granted you need to play around a bit to not have it run like **** but other than that the game works just fine and as it is with the NWN remaster graphically there is no improvement. How is that profitable.

[Lancaster]

Just imagine where'd we be right now if they stuck with NWN2 toolkit style gaming, and AI. We wouldn't have to suffer writers like Amber Scott, or gay vampires.

[Vergil]

Imagine how many gay vampires who kiss and suck on men you could make with toolkit style gaming and AI.

[TKVNC]

Just imagine where'd we be right now if they stuck with NWN2 toolkit style gaming, and AI. We wouldn't have to suffer writers like Amber Scott, or gay vampires.

It really was a better time.

That's what happens when you give the privilege of patricians to the peasants. Pearls before swine.

Now we have slop like Shart Citizen, and Bulldyke Gate 3.

[Eyestabber]

Probably worth pointing out that the community patch for NWN2 is xboxhueg and I doubt any of the fixes will actually be included because developers seem to be ******** about bugs

https://github.com/nwn2fixes/player

Could this fix my problems with NWN2?

No, it doesn't fix the base game being terrible.

Oh yeah!? Then riddle me this Rusto:

In Trudograd you spend a considerable portion of the game trying to get into the noble district of the city. In order to do that you need to side with either the police or the local criminals and do several missions for each faction. Huh...now where did I see a similar plotline before?

And what about Game of Thrones? "Rock falls, everyone dies"? Sounds exactly like the ending of NWN2. If the game is so "bad" then why do others keep trying to ape its amazing legacy?

[Kalarion]

remakes are always made by *******, never seen one that was better than the original

I disagree with that mindset. The best remake in my opinion is exactly as good as the original. Just technically updated with proper thought about the original intent and effort (No, that does not mean just throwing the old assets into an AI upscaler and calling it a day) .

It's when the thought process of making it *better* with no intent for the original vision creeps in, that's when all the ******** **** happens. It's when the writing gets ripped apart, it's when gameplay and atmosphere gets butchered into something else, its when modernisms creep in.

I don't care if you have the original developers on the team that give their *ok* or have some ******** guilt about what they put in the game all that time age. Keep your arrogance out of the classics, please.

On that note I personally really enjoyed the Spyro: Reignited trilogy. Same games, updated with effort to how I'd expect them to look 20 years later. So, yeah. That's what I want my remakes to be.

You're misunderstanding terms. Around here, we call those remasters, not remakes. Remakes are games with the same name but new/different systems, possibly expanded storylines, and so forth.

And agreed, there are some examples of good remasters around. Several HQsers praised the Wasteland and Bard's Tale remasters that came out with Wasteland 3 and Bard's Tale 4, for instance.

On the other hand I can't think of a single remake that was good off the top of my head, to agree with asf's point. Maybe someone can remind us.

[Roguey]

Resident Evil and Resident Evil 2 are both good remakes. Former is a lot more faithful than the latter.

Metroid: Zero Mission was also a sensible update of the NES original.

[UltraFan123]

The only remakes that I think are objectively superior to the base games were the Pokémon 3rd Gen Fire Red and Leaf Green.

After that, the franchise remakes from 4th generation onward were kinda "meh".

[ThulsaDoomer]

I feel I'm out of place as I found NWN2 incredibly boring. I never got past the first entrance into the city. The camera controls were horrible and I never found a single armour design I found good looking. If nothing else, they should fix the camera, but given it's Asypr that may be beyond their ability.

[asf]

nwn2 oc is ****

[asf]

meh remasters are invariably crap also, best example is probably homeworld:

******* 'upgraded' it to highres textures, then tossed away one of the core gameplay elements, the projectiles simulation replacing it with some braindead % chance to hit, turning one of the best rts around into a total shitfest

everyone making remakes and remasters should be rounded and shot

[rusty_shackleford]

Aspyr has been doing good linux ports for years so I'm somewhat hopeful that this will be a good EE that's just technical fixes. Might even see Steam Workshop support for mods like KOTOR 2(Aspyr did the linux port + stealth EE for that)

[UltraFan123]

I'm mainly curious if story overhaul mods like the BG1 and Icewind Dale mods will be supported by this new EE.

[Tangerine]

NWN2 is a game that'd really benefit from a remaster. Going through Storm of Zehir was such a rough and clunky experience.

[Eyestabber]

Hey I just realized something: what if the remaster fixes the practiced spellcaster bug/exploit? It would be annudda shoa for NWN 2 power builds.

Other fixes I would like but know won't happen: being able to craft/buy special arrows in the OC and MotB, Blackguard Death Attack working to qualify as sneak attack, Visage of the Deity actually stacking its stats. But yeah, that won't happen. Some of the fixes are present in Kaedrin's pack, but there's a fair chance the EE will break the old mods, thus becoming objectively worse.

[rusty_shackleford]

Hey I just realized something: what if the remaster fixes the practiced spellcaster bug/exploit? It would be annudda shoa for NWN 2 power builds.

Other fixes I would like but know won't happen: being able to craft/buy special arrows in the OC and MotB, Blackguard Death Attack working to qualify as sneak attack, Visage of the Deity actually stacking its stats. But yeah, that won't happen. Some of the fixes are present in Kaedrin's pack, but there's a fair chance the EE will break the old mods, thus becoming objectively worse.

Some of these may be fixed in the unofficial patch already, were you using it?

[Eyestabber]

https://neverwintervault.org/project/nw ... nwn2-fixes

This? Yes, and no. Only fix I found so far is Kaedrin's pack. Wish I could find a fix without adding six gorillion new classes to my game, even if some of them are actually interesting.

[rusty_shackleford]

This?

Yes.

[Eyestabber]

They released a gameplay trailer!!!



That does not show any gameplay at all. Yeah, this is a scam. If I'm wrong I will pay real money for the game, but the chance of this being a scam is 99%. Also, there's talk of possible censorship in the new version, due to WotC involvement. So the game will be the same broken mess - cleavage. We truly live in the gayest timeline.

[J1M]

That's a lot of money to be able to run it fullscreen at 4k without manual tweaks.

[rusty_shackleford]

They released a gameplay trailer!!!



That does not show any gameplay at all. Yeah, this is a scam. If I'm wrong I will pay real money for the game, but the chance of this being a scam is 99%. Also, there's talk of possible censorship in the new version, due to WotC involvement. So the game will be the same broken mess - cleavage. We truly live in the gayest timeline.

Don't see why it would be a scam. Again, I've had nothing but very good experience with Aspyr ports to Linux.

If it were beamdog I'd be much more skeptical.

[Roguey]

They need to provide a list of specific changes. Why should I buy this again?

Instead a couple of incredibly lame animation-showcase trailers.

[rusty_shackleford]

Might even see Steam Workshop support for mods like KOTOR 2(Aspyr did the linux port + stealth EE for that)

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[Decline]

Why would I buy this for another ~30 bucks just to have it chug along at 5 FPS and occupy 120 GB on my disk when the OG runs at 500 FPS and needs 1.2 GB? And contains way less commie and ***** agitprop.

[Eyestabber]

Hey @rusty_shackleford, since you seem to care about the fate of the original companions and I recently finished SoZ AND found Ammon Jerro in Mask of the Betrayer, here's the summary of the fate of each companion + screenshots to back it up.

Khelgar: confirmed to be alive by both expansions. The gargoyles you first meet confirm Khelgar chased after them and then Jerro gives you certainty that the Dwarf lives
Neeskha: assuming she wasn't flipped by Black Garrus, she survives
Casavir: confirmed to be dead by Amon Jerro. He sacrificed himself holding a passage open so others could escape, dying in true Paladin fashion
Qara: 100% confirmed to be dead, even if you sided with her against Sand. Qara doesn't have the proper spells to survive the rocks falling
Sand: Jerro believes he is alive IF you sided with him against Qara. Jerro says Sand got off a transmutation spell as the fortress was collapsing and speculates the elf might have turned into an iron golem or something
Zhjaeve: no information. Jerro says he knows nothing of her fate
Elanee: died trying to save you IF she didn't abandon the party earlier
Grobnar: unknown fate. Jerro didn't seem him alive, but found no corpse either
Bishop: confirmed to be dead and rotting upon the Wall of the Faithless, which means the good ending is canon
Shandra Jerro: well, I assume you played the OC

Dialogue with Amon Jerro:

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[Trickster]

Qara: 100% confirmed to be dead, even if you sided with her against Sand. Qara doesn't have the proper spells to survive the fall

Best girl died. Life in unfair.

[Roguey]

And contains way less commie and ***** agitprop.

An upside of a completely phoned-in remaster: no restoration of the Avellone Cut of Mask of the Betrayer

https://forums.obsidian.net/blogs/entry ... questions/

There are times we've asked to do things with a franchise that have been turned down (we wanted to make Gann in Mask of the Betrayer a bi-sexual, for example, because that felt true to how he perceived love).

[Tadeusz]

here's the summary of the fate of each companion + screenshots to back it up

I think SoZ retcons it a bit or at least gives an opportunity to doubt Ammon's assumptions. In my playthrough I remember a rumor explicitly mentioning Grobnar and implicitly Elanee. Didn't screenshot the Grobnar one but here's an Elanee rumour:

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Qara: 100% confirmed to be dead, even if you sided with her against Sand. Qara doesn't have the proper spells to survive the fall

Best girl died. Life in unfair.

I remember a rumor about someone burning the academy and witnessing a red-haired woman so perhaps she has survived after all.
I think devs in SoZ wanted to make the fate of the companions more open-ended.