Space Marine 2

[DJOGamer]

Look at you, slurping that woke GW **** and making excuses for them shoveling ******* and women where they don't belong. Only a disingenuous cur would entertain the idea that this was always the case, instead of a sequence of lore retcons GW has done over the years, slowly boiling the proverbial frog, to pozz 40k more.

Black Library books

lmao

Unlike what mouthbreathing leftists believe, a soldier, even an infantryman, is prohibitively expensive to train and equip, and every man you put in uniform is one less man in a factory making stuff or in a field growing food. Even the Imperium, with a pool of candidates numbering in the trillions, would have stringent standards on who joins the guard.

>he's actually trying to apply real logic to the logistics of ******* 40k

Try to find me anything remotely similar in the modern sci-fi landscape

Impossible
No other sci-fi setting comes close to the sheer retardation of 40k

[Reichspepe]

But if you mean sci-fi setting that is extremely based and makes leftists seethe, then yes, I agree. ST is awesome.

As an example of a few popular military sci-fi books that show what the current landscape is like - Ender's Game is just Ender whining like a ***** they had to zap space ants, while in Old Man's War by Scalzi you have old white boomers go out to die so ***** can colonize the galaxy.

And no, I'm not being hyperbolic, that's literally what goes on in Old Man's War.

Also, these are books from a few decades ago, I imagine things have only gotten worse since then.

Sounds interesting, will check those out. But also if we're talking great sci-fi, Dune deserves a mention. It's basically one of if not the best out there.

[rusty_shackleford]

dune is space fantasy, just like WH40k, and by extension so is star wars.

[gerey]

will check those out

Please don't.

Ender's Game is sorta interesting, but the series afterwards loses the plot entirely and gets progressively weirder and dumber the further on it goes.

Everything Scalzi has ever written should be burned on a pyre and erased from the records. He is the quintessential liberal bugman.

[Reichspepe]

will check those out

Please don't.

Ender's Game is sorta interesting, but the series afterwards loses the plot entirely and gets progressively weirder and dumber the further on it goes.

Everything Scalzi has ever written should be burned on a pyre and erased from the records. He is the quintessential liberal bugman.

My mistake, I skimmed over your message and misread what you said. Sorry, my bad

[Acrux]

Sounds interesting, will check those out.

For a book that looks like it's going to be a military sci-fi romp against alien bugs, the book is mostly about Ender's feelings.

[Reichspepe]

dune is space fantasy, just like WH40k, and by extension so is star wars.

Agreed about SW

[gerey]

>he's actually trying to apply real logic to the logistics of ******* 40k

Since you have no actual rebuttal I think we're done here.

[DJOGamer]

Also you're making it sound like the Imperium has a need for manpower, it is practically unlimited,

The lore is completely inconsistency in that regrad
In some works the Imperium is this huge unstoppable ******* monolyth that can afford to annihalte entire planets on a whim
In others it's this massively outgunned underdog that realistically should've been wiped out millenia ago

Last thing about the black Ultramarines; Space Marines were traditionally depicted homogenously/very similar to their primarchs

In which the Ultramarines are the expection because they recruit from Ultramar which is a multiracial empire like the romans were

the Guard almost entirely white

for someone that tries to make logical sense of this hodge podge of a setting, you're being very logical
the Imperium of Man is a millenia old galaxy spanning empire were thousands of planets with trillions of humans live and a great many of them have even mutuated to into almost distinct species
the Guard recruits these dregs from almost all these worlds
and you're telling me that somehow they are pretty much entirely constituted by Northern Europeans...

[Reichspepe]

Look at you, slurping that woke GW **** and making excuses for them shoveling ******* and women where they don't belong. Only a disingenuous cur would entertain the idea that this was always the case, instead of a sequence of lore retcons GW has done over the years, slowly boiling the proverbial frog, to pozz 40k more.

Black Library books

lmao

Unlike what mouthbreathing leftists believe, a soldier, even an infantryman, is prohibitively expensive to train and equip, and every man you put in uniform is one less man in a factory making stuff or in a field growing food. Even the Imperium, with a pool of candidates numbering in the trillions, would have stringent standards on who joins the guard.

>he's actually trying to apply real logic to the logistics of ******* 40k

Try to find me anything remotely similar in the modern sci-fi landscape

Impossible
No other sci-fi setting comes close to the sheer retardation of 40k

"Oh my good, you want your setting to make sense and take it seriously? People wrote stuff that's dumb in it so everything else is also ********. Like who cares it's not even real."

[Reichspepe]

Also you're making it sound like the Imperium has a need for manpower, it is practically unlimited,

The lore is completely inconsistency in that regrad
In some works the Imperium is this huge unstoppable ******* monolyth that can afford to annihalte entire planets on a whim
In others it's this massively outgunned underdog that realistically should've been wiped out millenia ago

Last thing about the black Ultramarines; Space Marines were traditionally depicted homogenously/very similar to their primarchs

In which the Ultramarines are the expection because they recruit from Ultramar which is a multiracial empire like the romans were

the Guard almost entirely white

for someone that tries to make logical sense of this hodge podge of a setting, you're being very logical
the Imperium of Man is a millenia old galaxy spanning empire were thousands of planets with trillions of humans live and a great many of them have even mutuated to into almost distinct species
the Guard recruits these dregs from almost all these worlds
and you're telling me that somehow they are pretty much entirely constituted by Northern Europeans...

Again, yes, 40k has a **** writer problem. Doesn't change that the lore has been fairly consistent over the decades.
And taking you roman example at face value, Rome was not a place where 10% or even 5% of the population were black. By the way to be entirely clear, I also just don't want black Space Marines, simple as.
About the Imperiums populace, not entirely of course, but about 80%, yes, going by the older depictions in the TT and 40k media in general. And white doesn't just mean Northern Europeans.

[gerey]

the Guard recruits these dregs from almost all these worlds

Factually wrong. Even regiments that view the lives of their soldiers as utterly expendable and are willing to throw thousands into the meat grinder, like the Death Korps of Krieg, have a stringent selection process to weed out the unfit and unworthy. Oftentimes the training is so harsh that the trainees perish.

There's entire IG regiments consisting of a planet's nobility, the Vostroyan Firstborn tithe their firstborn heirs to the IG, Catachan have entire regiments made up of Rambos.

The Imperium is always on the lookout for harsh worlds that weed out the weak as recruitment pools for IG regiments.

Do I need to go on? Need I provide more examples, or will you kindly slither back to your liberal bughole and let humans discuss things in peace?

[DJOGamer]

I think warhammer 40k is pretty lame and don't understand the obsession with it to be quite honest

The setting is mish mash of every conceivable sci-fi and fantasy trope, but with edginess and grimdarkness dialed up to eleven - the imperium is literally the most vile regime imaginable, but as a human it's impossible to live better anywhere else as the entire galaxy is locked in a perpetual war
There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

But this retardation is also the appeal, due to its absurd scale and sheer quantity of material, the setting is extremely open-ended
You can run pretty much run any campaign you want

[rusty_shackleford]

I think warhammer 40k is pretty lame and don't understand the obsession with it to be quite honest

The setting is mish mash of every conceivable sci-fi and fantasy trope, but with edginess and grimdarkness dialed up to eleven - the imperium is literally the most vile regime imaginable, but as a human it's impossible to live better anywhere else as the entire galaxy is locked in a perpetual war
There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

But this retardation is also the appeal, due to its absurd scale and sheer quantity of material, the setting is extremely open-ended
You can run pretty much any campaign you want

I dislike how non-serious the setting is and find the repeated attempts at making it serious to be very cringe tbh

[gerey]

There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

Oh, so now you're falling back onto the "no internal consistency, everything goes" ********?

You argue in bad faith, just like every leftist does.

[DJOGamer]

I am going to bed now, but please keep at it
It's been quite amusing reading the depths of how buck brocken you two are
And when I wake up I want to start the day with a good laugh

[gerey]

I dislike how non-serious the setting is and find the repeated attempts at making it serious to be very cringe tbh

The "non-serious" aspect is only usually found with orks. For the most part the setting plays the inherent horror and bleakness straight, and every attempt by GW to divert from this (so they can do what WotC did to D&D) has been met with hatred and vitriol by the fandom.

[Reichspepe]

I think warhammer 40k is pretty lame and don't understand the obsession with it to be quite honest

The setting is mish mash of every conceivable sci-fi and fantasy trope, but with edginess and grimdarkness dialed up to eleven - the imperium is literally the most vile regime imaginable, but as a human it's impossible to live better anywhere else as the entire galaxy is locked in a perpetual war
There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

But this retardation is also the appeal, due to its absurd scale and sheer quantity of material, the setting is extremely open-ended
You can run pretty much any campaign you want

I dislike how non-serious the setting is and find the repeated attempts at making it serious to be very cringe tbh

In my view, for decades it's been very serious and it's only made non-serious by people who are basically hobby tourists that think "it's all satire, idiot" and that don't really understand the lore. Sure, there is also some levity at times, and the Orks for example are funny, but in universe they're still horrible monsters that pose a massive threat and not a joke in the setting itself. But I mean if it's not your thing, fair enough.

[rusty_shackleford]

I've played the video games and it's very non-serious trying to be taken as serious
no, I'm not going to engage in the hobby that requires friends & being a millionaire, deal with it

[gerey]

I've played the video games and it's very non-serious trying to be taken as serious

Says the man that shills 5e Baldur's Gate 3 at every turn.

[rusty_shackleford]

I've played the video games and it's very non-serious trying to be taken as serious

Says the man that shills 5e Baldur's Gate 3 at every turn.

I am not a fan of the writing in BG3.

[gerey]

I am not a fan of the writing in BG3.

Historical revisionism almost at the level of a Holocaust historian.

[Reichspepe]

I've played the video games and it's very non-serious trying to be taken as serious
no, I'm not going to engage in the hobby that requires friends & being a millionaire, deal with it

Why would you even engage in a setting/story if it doesn't take itself seriously? Doesn't it depend on the execution, like for example The Acolyte being so hilarously bad and ******** that nobody with a brain can take it seriously, with LotR on the completely opposite side? It's a bit hard to understand your position here, exactly.
Also, you should absolutely not take part in the TT hobby, yes. It's overpriced as ****. Games/fanmovies/good books are all you need.

[Rigwort]

I think warhammer 40k is pretty lame and don't understand the obsession with it to be quite honest

The setting is mish mash of every conceivable sci-fi and fantasy trope, but with edginess and grimdarkness dialed up to eleven - the imperium is literally the most vile regime imaginable, but as a human it's impossible to live better anywhere else as the entire galaxy is locked in a perpetual war
There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

But this retardation is also the appeal, due to its absurd scale and sheer quantity of material, the setting is extremely open-ended
You can run pretty much any campaign you want

I dislike how non-serious the setting is and find the repeated attempts at making it serious to be very cringe tbh

I find that the setting really just reflects the actual, physical wargame, more than people think. That's why it's both comedic and serious, hopeless and a steamroll. In that way, I prefer Oldhammer, as it actually embraced this. A "joke" that my buddies have is that each Chaos God really just represents some types of players: the guys who buy/kitbash horny minis, the guys who don't shower, the overthinkers who usually end up losing, and the rager. Read some of the original WFRP 1e books and you'll find horror and humor. I know I'm mainly talking fantasy here, but Rogue Trader was much like this. Just look at the original squats.

[Brother Chad]

[...]ST is more a political essay than sci-fi universe. But if you mean sci-fi setting that is extremely based and makes leftists seethe, then yes, I agree. ST is awesome.

Not going to lie, I thought you were talking about Star Trek for a second there and I was about to drop some lol bombs.

[Grumpyboy]

When I see space marines, or 40k anything, I just think play-doh, and then of this thot:

throt ? she doesnt look like ***** to me , quite wholesome

[Reichspepe]

The setting is mish mash of every conceivable sci-fi and fantasy trope, but with edginess and grimdarkness dialed up to eleven - the imperium is literally the most vile regime imaginable, but as a human it's impossible to live better anywhere else as the entire galaxy is locked in a perpetual war
There's almost no internal consistency and you can go from extreme hopelessness and horror to the schlockiest, goofiest cheese

But this retardation is also the appeal, due to its absurd scale and sheer quantity of material, the setting is extremely open-ended
You can run pretty much any campaign you want

I dislike how non-serious the setting is and find the repeated attempts at making it serious to be very cringe tbh

I find that the setting really just reflects the actual, physical wargame, more than people think. That's why it's both comedic and serious, hopeless and a steamroll. In that way, I prefer Oldhammer, as it actually embraced this. A "joke" that my buddies have is that each Chaos God really just represents some types of players: the guys who buy/kitbash horny minis, the guys who don't shower, the overthinkers who usually end up losing, and the rager. Read some of the original WFRP 1e books and you'll find horror and humor. I know I'm mainly talking fantasy here, but Rogue Trader was much like this. Just look at the original squats.

40k and even Fantasy have long since evolved from the time of their inception though. The old stuff really hasn't been representative of the respective setting for a long time. Though I won't deny they had their own charm, so to say. So fair enough if that's what you prefer. And admittedly, I also really like those old artworks, they had real character.

[rusty_shackleford]

Original WFRP adventures were rather dark, I remember a few of them. I'm referring to the tabletop RPG, not the wargame — I know nothing of it.

[maidenhaver]

When I see space marines, or 40k anything, I just think play-doh, and then of this thot:

throt ? she doesnt look like ***** to me , quite wholesome

She cute.

[maidenhaver]

I hate how nobody mentions 40k ripped off Dawn of War.