Ross Scott's 'Stop Killing Games' Campaign

[WhiteShark]

Ubisoft is now deleting licenses for The Crew from players' accounts, presumably as a ploy to get around Ross' legal efforts. I won't pretend to know EU law, but I can't help but think this is going to backfire spectactularly.



https://archive.is/ZC43r

The archived page came out very badly for some reason, so I'm also putting the original link below:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/racing/ub ... ership-is/

[anonusername]

The only correct answer is to clarify that using "purchase" or "buy" instead of "license" or "rent" means either
1. The consumer needs to have a perpetual and transferable right to use software with the functionality and terms of service as of the initial purpose. Any updates can introduce new terms of service, but they must either be optional or allow for a refund. Whether some portions of the functionality are implemented server-side is an implementation detail which should have no bearing on the consumer's right to use the original functionality. How the companies ensure consumers are able to use the functionality they paid for is up to them.
2. By using the terms "purchase", "buy", etc. the publisher is committing fraud and should be liable for treble damages. i.e. if the game you "bought" for $60 on steam ceases functioning because it is always-online and the servers go down, then you are entitled to a $180 refund, possibly much more if you are a professional streamer or competitive gamer.

If this were implemented in the American legal system the publishers would immediately change their behavior.

[Oyster Sauce]

[ManjuShri]

[ManjuShri]

[Vergil]

Has his internet petition saved gaming yet?

[A Chinese opium den]

Has his internet petition saved gaming yet?

Just two more signatures

[Red7]

Ubisoft is now deleting licenses for The Crew from players' accounts, presumably as a ploy to get around Ross' legal efforts. I won't pretend to know EU law, but I can't help but think this is going to backfire spectactularly.



https://archive.is/ZC43r

The archived page came out very badly for some reason, so I'm also putting the original link below:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/racing/ub ... ership-is/

nothing volatile about digital ownership. if u dont hold it/cant run it locally, u dont own it, u just renting it. dont buy **** thats online only, problem solved.
but steamkuks even let third party app to update/downgrade their locally run games automatically

soymentality is exact opposite of jew mentality. jew assumes everyone tries to **** him over. cause jew is trying to **** over everyone all the time

[Red7]

btw on somewhat unrelated note, that ross guy is vaxxed libtard, he lives in poland cause its cheap, and has fat polish *****.

[celsus]

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[Acrux]

Well, he already said Polish, so it's just redundant.

[Red7]

How do you know she's fat?

i saw pic but dont ask me to find it.

[WhiteShark]

>government body that exists to give clear legal answers
>doesn't give clear legal answers


I wonder if officials are allowed to ask, "What did you mean by the vague non-answers you gave last time?"

[rusty_shackleford]

the only government bodies that matter are the ones that ignore limits placed on them which is why the only country which can do something is USA
hth

[ManjuShri]

[ManjuShri]

[Xenich]

Ubisoft is now deleting licenses for The Crew from players' accounts, presumably as a ploy to get around Ross' legal efforts. I won't pretend to know EU law, but I can't help but think this is going to backfire spectactularly.



https://archive.is/ZC43r

The archived page came out very badly for some reason, so I'm also putting the original link below:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/racing/ub ... ership-is/

Saw that one coming.

"Hey, did you hear about Cloud Storage? its New and awesome!"

Oh, you mean mainframe computing and storage? Yeah... so new... like we are back in the 1950's!

[ManjuShri]

[WhiteShark]

We heard your concerns about access to The Crew games

Today, we want to express our commitment to the future of The Crew 2 and The Crew Motorfest.

We can confirm an offline mode to ensure long term access to both titles, stay tuned for more news in the next months.

That's nice, but it was never just about The Crew. I haven't really been following this recently outside these threads. Hopefully government action is still on the table.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

We heard your concerns about access to The Crew games

Today, we want to express our commitment to the future of The Crew 2 and The Crew Motorfest.

We can confirm an offline mode to ensure long term access to both titles, stay tuned for more news in the next months.

That's nice, but it was never just about The Crew. I haven't really been following this recently outside these threads. Hopefully government action is still on the table.

Still is but Ross has said US is loss cause and focusing his efforts on EU changing the laws.

[rusty_shackleford]

We heard your concerns about access to The Crew games

Today, we want to express our commitment to the future of The Crew 2 and The Crew Motorfest.

We can confirm an offline mode to ensure long term access to both titles, stay tuned for more news in the next months.

That's nice, but it was never just about The Crew. I haven't really been following this recently outside these threads. Hopefully government action is still on the table.

Still is but Ross has said US is loss cause and focusing his efforts on EU changing the laws.

He's a libtard who hates america.
Literally nothing would get done by changing EU laws, most tech companies are already a few years away from just shutting off access to europeans due to their laws. Extremely overinflated sense of self-importance when they don't have anywhere near the actual power to back it up, especially after losing their second largest economy.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

He's a libtard who hates america.

Ross hasn’t really put his personal politics to indicate he’s a libtard in really of his videos as far as I’m aware. However he has made a good effort in researching the best ways to combat feasible path to bring consumer protection law for live service games in USA but has reach to many brick walls that make its nigh impossible with the resources available.

Looking at his explanation why is so pessimistic on his view on his campaign project for the USA route becomes hard to disagree with.

Literally nothing would get done by changing EU laws, most tech companies are already a few years away from just shutting off access to europeans due to their laws. Extremely overinflated sense of self-importance when they don't have anywhere near the actual power to back it up, especially after losing their second largest economy.

A good chuck of the gaming market is in EU. Changing the laws in EU would mean companies are forced to have contingency plans to have an end of life plan for live service games. While it’s possible the devs can simply not operate in the EU that would leaving money on the table of like 30 to 40% of the game market which is something that many Studios would be very hesitant to take such drastic actions. Still at the very least people can have the mean to getting a version of a live service game instead of literal nothing.

[Stack of Turtles]

However he has made a good effort in researching the best ways to combat feasible path to bring consumer protection law for live service games

Trust me when I say you do not want this.

[Vergil]

Still is but Ross has said US is loss cause and focusing his efforts on EU changing the laws.

lol, lmao even

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

However he has made a good effort in researching the best ways to combat feasible path to bring consumer protection law for live service games

Trust me when I say you do not want this.

Believe me the last thing I want is government intervention in anything however the live service games are increasing getting worse and now having it in single player games. Game developer and publishers are refusing/ ignoring any options for game preservations If there were any other options that were available and worked I would be all for it but unfortunately it goes on death ears.

[Mondain]

EU is 15% of the market maximum.

[Mondain]

However he has made a good effort in researching the best ways to combat feasible path to bring consumer protection law for live service games

Trust me when I say you do not want this.

Believe me the last thing I want is government intervention in anything however the live service games are increasing getting worse and now having it in single player games. Game developer and publishers are refusing/ ignoring any options for game preservations If there were any other options that were available and worked I would be all for it but unfortunately it goes on death ears.

You mean like EU "consumer protection" laws for social media that exist to censor things they dislike?

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

EU is 15% of the market maximum.

True. But my point still stands that’s it a lot of money on table to be simply ignored.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Trust me when I say you do not want this.

Believe me the last thing I want is government intervention in anything however the live service games are increasing getting worse and now having it in single player games. Game developer and publishers are refusing/ ignoring any options for game preservations If there were any other options that were available and worked I would be all for it but unfortunately it goes on death ears.

You mean like EU "consumer protection" laws for social media that exist to censor things they dislike?

Again I hate government intervention because more often then not they will **** it up , however the question has to be asked what is the alternative?

[Mondain]

EU is 15% of the market maximum.

True. But my point still stands that’s it a lot of money on table to be simply ignored.

It would just be one more regulation they have to follow for a small market share that whines endlessly. At some point that camel's back will break and the EU does not have the economic power they think they do.