There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.
Reason 17474 you need to be hit in the head over and over with a bat. Devs will make the games their superiors demand, it has nothing at all to do with your charicture of force, and nothing to do with their personal beliefs. They would make mandatory gay vomit ****** orgies under crucified white men in all their games, if they could get away with it. Woke is only as tame as it is, because there is a coordinated agenda to roll this **** out piecemeal. Now, **** off poser ****** gatekeeper.
There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.
Reason 17474 you need to be hit in the head over and over with a bat. Devs will make the games their superiors demand, it has nothing at all to do with your charicture of force, and nothing to do with their personal beliefs. They would make mandatory gay vomit ****** orgies under crucified white men in all their games, if they could get away with it. Woke is only as tame as it is, because there is a coordinated agenda to roll this **** out piecemeal. Now, **** off poser ****** gatekeeper.
I actually do agree with what the contrarians are saying about the vast majority of current day game devs being total ******* who are on board with the woke ****.
My intention was not to defend them. They are mostly woke *******.
But at a certain point, many devs who made good games before those woke ******* took over the industry were forced/coerced to partake in this ****. Everyone in the industry didn't get on board with this communist **** overnight, contrary to what rusty, oyster, and stack are claiming. It's ******** to think that.
Disregard the term woke, as it's meaning is new and still struggling to be defined by society. Instead, just use progressive or subversive, these are agreed upon words with clear meanings and implications. If we check your examples against these definitions, then yes, they are ideologically tainted. The problem is narrowing your view to modernist terms, that isn't how older ideologues operated when they created the media of yesteryear. What you guys are trying to find here is whether or not some inclusions, which we would consider radical liberal propaganda, is intentional or unintentional, provided the developers or lead developers saw these concepts as a "normal trajectory" of society and included them because that is what they genuinely believed, and not because they wanted to moralise on an audience. I've broached this subject before and it's a very murky area, it is why analysis is so important if we want to tackle subversive media.
I personally don't think understanding why it was done is not important at all, only the question of if its gay matters for the purposes of whether you or your fellow chuds should play the game. Full condemnation of 2 men kissing even if they had a really good reason is the best and most efficient position for gaming, and presumably the rest of life.
No ****. Having to quit your job because your boss is making you put gay woke **** in your product still sucks and is the result of coercion to comply.
Is that the issue these dumbasses are taking with what I said? Autistically getting caught up in the semantic definition of "forced"?
"NOOO THE DEVS WERENT FORCED, THEY WERE JUST PUT INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD KEEP THEIR LIVELYHOOD OR NOT. THAT'S NOT THE SAME!!!"
Saying "they weren’t forced, they could quit" is like the same exact argument leftist scum made about vaccine mandates. Holy **** some of you ******* really do embody horseshoe theory.
Saying "they weren’t forced, they could quit" is like the same exact argument leftist scum made about vaccine mandates. Holy **** some of you ******* really do embody horseshoe theory.
I quit my job because I didn't want to get vaccinated
Saying "they weren’t forced, they could quit" is like the same exact argument leftist scum made about vaccine mandates. Holy **** some of you ******* really do embody horseshoe theory.
I quit my job because I didn't want to get vaccinated
I refused it as well but I was too valuable to the company so they made an exception for me
Saying "they weren’t forced, they could quit" is like the same exact argument leftist scum made about vaccine mandates. Holy **** some of you ******* really do embody horseshoe theory.
I quit my job because I didn't want to get vaccinated
I refused it as well but I was too valuable to the company so they made an exception for me
"forcing"
not a single person worked at ubisoft that didn't agree with it
I already deboonked your disinformation, chud
Again, these people were already libtards who think adding women and minorities "improves the story". They're not chaste, they're just haggling over the price.
"forcing"
not a single person worked at ubisoft that didn't agree with it
I already deboonked your disinformation, chud
Again, these people were already libtards who think adding women and minorities "improves the story". They're not chaste, they're just haggling over the price.
Keep ignoring the point, if it makes you feel correct.
Again, these people were already libtards who think adding women and minorities "improves the story". They're not chaste, they're just haggling over the price.
Keep ignoring the point, if it makes you feel correct.
I'm not ignoring the point. I disagree with your framing. I do not agree that there is a meaningful difference.
Devs will make the games their superiors demand, it has nothing at all to do with your charicture of force, and nothing to do with their personal beliefs. They would make mandatory gay vomit ****** orgies under crucified white men in all their games, if they could get away with it.
Again, these people were already libtards who think adding women and minorities "improves the story". They're not chaste, they're just haggling over the price.
Keep ignoring the point, if it makes you feel correct.
I'm not ignoring the point. I disagree with your framing. I do not agree that there is a meaningful difference.
You are free to disagree with the fact that many devs over the course of the last ~15 years were pressured/coerced/FORCED by corporate mandates and third party firms to include more woke ****, but doing so means rejecting observable reality and defaulting to the same reflexive dismissal by leftists who defend those systems.
And you seem to assume that acknowledging this pressure somehow requires believing developers were uniformly opposed to it. You do realize that both things can be true at once, right? Many devs were already ******* who were more than happy about the forced mandates and culture changes, and some devs were against all this ****. Some may have been cowards who went along with it, yes, but that's completely besides the point. None of that undermines the existence of the pressure and coercion itself.
I mean it's such a ridiculous reality you've concocted in your head, so detached from how large organizations actually function, I don't even believe that you believe what you're saying.
Keep ignoring the point, if it makes you feel correct.
I'm not ignoring the point. I disagree with your framing. I do not agree that there is a meaningful difference.
You are free to disagree with the fact that many devs over the course of the last ~15 years were pressured/coerced/FORCED by corporate mandates and third party firms to include more woke ****, but doing so means rejecting observable reality and defaulting to the same reflexive dismissal by leftists who defend those systems.
And you seem to assume that acknowledging this pressure somehow requires believing developers were uniformly opposed to it. You do realize that both things can be true at once, right? Many devs were already ******* who were more than happy about the forced mandates and culture changes, and some devs were against all this ****. Some may have been cowards who went along with it, yes, but that's completely besides the point. None of that undermines the existence of the pressure and coercion itself.
I mean it's such a ridiculous reality you've concocted in your head, so detached from how large organizations actually function, I don't even believe that you believe what you're saying.
Why do you think the words "pressured", "coerced", and "forced" can apply to someone who's already willing to do something?
I'm not ignoring the point. I disagree with your framing. I do not agree that there is a meaningful difference.
You are free to disagree with the fact that many devs over the course of the last ~15 years were pressured/coerced/FORCED by corporate mandates and third party firms to include more woke ****, but doing so means rejecting observable reality and defaulting to the same reflexive dismissal by leftists who defend those systems.
And you seem to assume that acknowledging this pressure somehow requires believing developers were uniformly opposed to it. You do realize that both things can be true at once, right? Many devs were already ******* who were more than happy about the forced mandates and culture changes, and some devs were against all this ****. Some may have been cowards who went along with it, yes, but that's completely besides the point. None of that undermines the existence of the pressure and coercion itself.
I mean it's such a ridiculous reality you've concocted in your head, so detached from how large organizations actually function, I don't even believe that you believe what you're saying.
Why do you think the words "pressured", "coerced", and "forced" can apply to someone who's already willing to do something?
False premise and totally ignored what I said. Nice little communist struggle session attempt, but I'm good, bro.
You are free to disagree with the fact that many devs over the course of the last ~15 years were pressured/coerced/FORCED by corporate mandates and third party firms to include more woke ****, but doing so means rejecting observable reality and defaulting to the same reflexive dismissal by leftists who defend those systems.
And you seem to assume that acknowledging this pressure somehow requires believing developers were uniformly opposed to it. You do realize that both things can be true at once, right? Many devs were already ******* who were more than happy about the forced mandates and culture changes, and some devs were against all this ****. Some may have been cowards who went along with it, yes, but that's completely besides the point. None of that undermines the existence of the pressure and coercion itself.
I mean it's such a ridiculous reality you've concocted in your head, so detached from how large organizations actually function, I don't even believe that you believe what you're saying.
Why do you think the words "pressured", "coerced", and "forced" can apply to someone who's already willing to do something?
False premise and totally ignored what I said. Nice little communist struggle session attempt, but I'm good, bro.
I'm serious, I think we're talking past each other. What are you even trying to argue here? It sounded like you were trying to argue that game devs weren't libtarded before Sweet Baby Inc. (inter alia) somehow forced them to be.
Software companies paid Sweet Baby Inc. to consult for them because they were nice liberals who wanted to be woke, but wanted to be "educated" in how to be as woke as possible and avoid anything offensive or outdated they might not know about. That's why it existed. It wasn't there to force anything; they asked for it. You can fairly say they were lied to about how much the market would appreciate their newfound political correctness, but that's not really the same thing.
