Ross Scott's 'Stop Killing Games' Campaign

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

[Oyster Sauce]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

Dedicated servers/P2P servers/offline modes don't require ongoing support or money from a developer

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

Dedicated servers/P2P servers/offline modes don't require ongoing support or money from a developer

And no court is ever going to force people to make them. All they have to do is cry "it's not my artistic vision".

[WhiteShark]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

Didn't watch a single Ross video in this thread: the post.

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

Didn't watch a single Ross video in this thread: the post.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

[Oyster Sauce]

The petition took off after some gay furry controversy and will likely hit the goal pretty soon.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

Didn't watch a single Ross video in this thread: the post.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

Once again gamers deserve less than nothing.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

The petition took off after some gay furry controversy and will likely hit the goal pretty soon.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

There is some speculation that recent surge of e-signatures are being botted by bad faith actors.

[Stack of Turtles]

Didn't watch a single Ross video in this thread: the post.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

Once again gamers deserve less than nothing.

I agree, I hate gamers.

[Oyster Sauce]

https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

Will be done tomorrow, country minimums are already met. All because a gay Turkish furry was wrong and annoying.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

[WhiteShark]

All because a gay Turkish furry was wrong and annoying.

Thanks @Vlajdimir Ermenović.

[Lord of Riva]

I have checked the European Commisions initiatives. Not trying to bring pessimism into this but Ross may be way to optimistic.

There have been 11 Initiatives that have reached 1 million signatures and *1* in which legislation followed (though a few are still pending) and that was about something the EU planned to do anyways (getting rid of holding animals in cages).

So this guaranteed success that was seen as the outcome of this is not guaranteed at all, it is very likely that the EC just shrugs it off exactly like for example the UK petition was akin to "there are consumer protections in place which the publishers are beholden to, no new law is necessary" and be done with it.

[logincrash]

I have checked the European Commisions initiatives. Not trying to bring pessimism into this but Ross may be way to optimistic.

There have been 11 Initiatives that have reached 1 million signatures and *1* in which legislation followed (though a few are still pending) and that was about something the EU planned to do anyways (getting rid of holding animals in cages).

So this guaranteed success that was seen as the outcome of this is not guaranteed at all, it is very likely that the EC just shrugs it off exactly like for example the UK petition was akin to "there are consumer protections in place which the publishers are beholden to, no new law is necessary" and be done with it.

The petition is more about sticking it to that Pirate Software ****** (who's staunchly against piracy, by the way, and is using the name as an SEO fuckery to "own the ebil pirates!!1!") than about any actual law changes at this point.

[Lord of Riva]

I have checked the European Commisions initiatives. Not trying to bring pessimism into this but Ross may be way to optimistic.

There have been 11 Initiatives that have reached 1 million signatures and *1* in which legislation followed (though a few are still pending) and that was about something the EU planned to do anyways (getting rid of holding animals in cages).

So this guaranteed success that was seen as the outcome of this is not guaranteed at all, it is very likely that the EC just shrugs it off exactly like for example the UK petition was akin to "there are consumer protections in place which the publishers are beholden to, no new law is necessary" and be done with it.

The petition is more about sticking it to that Pirate Software ****** (who's staunchly against piracy, by the way, and is using the name as an SEO fuckery to "own the ebil pirates!!1!") than about any actual law changes at this point.

I was certainly on the very early batch of supporters and since we lack any sensible options apart from this, there is also nothing to lose.

Whatever the reason for support is, like sticking it to that *******, wanting game preservation or just want to sign something because it's popular is just as appreciated.

I was just saying that people overly hopeful need to temper their expectations, though maybe the EU not acting at all or pretending the issue does not exist will wake people up on other political issues, so either way it's fine tbh.

[ThulsaDoomer]

Thor and many game developers, especially software engineers, have every reason to lie and ******** how difficult the demands of the initiative is to ensure job security. Louis Rossman just recently uploaded a video interviewing a software dev about the movement from their perspective and the guy couldn't even explain accurately how World of Warcraft ran. He said "probably multiple servers for each instanced dungeon and raid, pvp battleground, etc." I hate to say it since I generally agree with Louis on his pro-consumerism stance, but this software dev is a ******* ******. WoW ran on a single server with SQL backend, it wasn't that complex or difficult to get running years ago.

It's a long video, I'd say don't bother cause the software dev sounds like a soyboy who can't mutter a single sentence properly.

The other thing I've noticed is a severe lack of understanding of what SKG is doing and why it's presented the way it is. When you go to the negotiating table, you don't make the other sides arguments for them, you don't draft their concessions in the deal. These corporations got money, they can do their own defense. Whenever some nerd complains about it being vague or simplistic, it's precisely that way to get the normie on board, who will not give a single **** about the technical side of things. Nor would politicans. It'll require a miracle for the EU to take it seriously even with the signatures, but better that than lying down and allowing corporations to continually strip away ownership and bring us closer to the bug pod future.

[gerey]

sticking it to that Pirate Software ******

Furry, nepobaby, ******.

Still, turns out what Ross needed was a villain to rally the troops against.

I wonder how the furry must feel knowing he was the catalyst for the victory of the very thing he is so vehemently against.

[Autorapist]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

I bought a copy of Quake 3 at a thrift store for a dollar a year or so ago. Stock servers are still up and running. The game's older than me.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

I have checked the European Commisions initiatives. Not trying to bring pessimism into this but Ross may be way to optimistic.

There have been 11 Initiatives that have reached 1 million signatures and *1* in which legislation followed (though a few are still pending) and that was about something the EU planned to do anyways (getting rid of holding animals in cages).

So this guaranteed success that was seen as the outcome of this is not guaranteed at all, it is very likely that the EC just shrugs it off exactly like for example the UK petition was akin to "there are consumer protections in place which the publishers are beholden to, no new law is necessary" and be done with it.

Ross has been upfront from the beginning that the likelihood of getting any sort legislation passed is unlikely. The big point of this whole initiative to get an definitive answer on whatever or not there is legal protection for buying a game (product) that company turn off access to that’s a non subscription service ,instead of the constant grey area of not knowing if it’s the practice is illegal or legal.

[Lord of Riva]

I have checked the European Commisions initiatives. Not trying to bring pessimism into this but Ross may be way to optimistic.

There have been 11 Initiatives that have reached 1 million signatures and *1* in which legislation followed (though a few are still pending) and that was about something the EU planned to do anyways (getting rid of holding animals in cages).

So this guaranteed success that was seen as the outcome of this is not guaranteed at all, it is very likely that the EC just shrugs it off exactly like for example the UK petition was akin to "there are consumer protections in place which the publishers are beholden to, no new law is necessary" and be done with it.

Ross has been upfront from the beginning that the likelihood of getting any sort legislation passed is unlikely. The big point of this whole initiative to get an definitive answer on whatever or not there is legal protection for buying a game (product) that company turn off access to that’s a non subscription service ,instead of the constant grey area of not knowing if it’s the practice is illegal or legal.

Yeah, you are right that he mentioned that but believe this messaging has been stopped mostly and is also not really transported in the coverage. That said that is likely a good thing as it would stifle signatures anyways.

In the end, if all else fails, we will know where we stand.

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is that no national supreme court is ever going to find that you can demand that corporations keep spending money to keep their games online indefinitely just because you signed a really stupid contract without negotiating any fixed term. At best maybe you can get a prorated refund for anyone who had the game for less than some easy low-IQ number like "five years". It would almost certainly end up with the situation becoming "worse" from his perspective because courts would pick some arbitrary time limit after which rug-pulling becomes an EXPECTATION.

If you want to preserve your ****** online games forever, campaign for a right to reverse-engineer, idiots.

I bought a copy of Quake 3 at a thrift store for a dollar a year or so ago. Stock servers are still up and running. The game's older than me.

Does Quake III even have official Microsoft servers? I'm pretty sure they just run a portal ("master server") for connecting to third-party servers, not any that actually run the game.
Also, the fact that multiplayer games from the 90s with a third-party server model are still running is part of the reason that newer games get rugpulled. Running a live service on a non-subscription basis is never likely to stay solvent.

[Oyster Sauce]

Was listening to one of his videos as background noise and found out you're not allowed to post flyers in the EU unless they have your name and address on them

[Finarfin]

https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

Will be done tomorrow, country minimums are already met. All because a gay Turkish furry was wrong and annoying.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

Wait what? Gay turkish furry??

[Norfleet]

I bought a copy of Quake 3 at a thrift store for a dollar a year or so ago. Stock servers are still up and running. The game's older than me.

That's nothing. Netrek still maintains a metaserver. Netrek dates back to 1973, although the Internets-based edition was in 1988.

[Oyster Sauce]

https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

Will be done tomorrow, country minimums are already met. All because a gay Turkish furry was wrong and annoying.

He's freaky-looking and has an unpleasant voice so I didn't bother. Just like everyone else.

Wait what? Gay turkish furry??

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"Not only do I not want to back this, I am going to actively tell people not to."

[mercerxiv]

I think the recent events on this topic pretty much highlight how pathetic "gamers" are as some sort of a self-conscious group.

First, they are not conscious. Most of them are closer to mold.

Second, there's no single group anymore. It's like saying "Yugoslavians". There are different clusters of gamers, and majority are not worth a mention for the reason outlined in the line above. The few that are worth hearing out are like HQ regulars and can't even agree between themselves.

Ironic yet unsurprising that the whole thing seems like is about to get carried by some unrelated drama and sponge brained youtube drama circlejerk audience. It's like an elaborate lampoon, only it's not funny but rather quite tragic.

[herkzter]

I think the recent events on this topic pretty much highlight how pathetic "gamers" are some sort of self-conscious group.

First, they are not conscious. Most of them are closer to mold.

Second, there's no single group anymore. It's like saying "Yugoslavians". There are different clusters of gamers, and majority are not worth a mention for the reason outlined in the line above. The few that are worth hearing out are like HQ regulars and can't even agree between themselves.

Ironic yet unsurprising that the whole thing seems like is about to get carried by some unrelated drama and sponge brained youtube drama circlejerk audience. It's like an elaborate lampoon, only it's not funny but rather quite tragic.

it's poetic that a campaign that's agitating for the right to access software that *you* bought got propelled to near unimaginable heights just because some money-grubbin' furry got upset

[DagothGeas5]

Was listening to one of his videos as background noise and found out you're not allowed to post flyers in the EU unless they have your name and address on them

Not sure if it changes in some way or if I am missing something, but where I am there are plenty of flyers around without any need for such information or even a permit, there is also a sort of noticeboard "Witcher style" where people can post things. There are often plenty of flyers around the city, missing pets or "contact this number to get a puppy/kitten as we can't keep them all" things, and I have heard and seen spats about them too as some people place things onto other people's house doors or gates and similar, especially if it's ads. Majority of things, especially for the pets or to wanting to sell something or advertising a service/selling an apartment or garage ("I can help you with math class", etc) are affixed onto the pole of streetlights, especially in parks.

[gerey]

It's like saying "Yugoslavians"

Just because we routinely try to genocide each other does not mean we see ourselves as such.

[logincrash]

When are we getting a "Start Killing Browns" campaign?

[Nooneatall]

Further goes to show game devs are scum
Pretty much anyone who has a career based on games is a piece of **** who deserves jail time