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Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:21

That's another good example to support what I was saying. The woke artist was fighting to put nigress on the cover. Microsoft was like "**** no, we want to make money".

Today the position would be reversed (if you can actually find a dev who isn't a ****** anymore). Vavra is the nearest example I can think of off the top of my head. He got punished for KCD1 and was forced to bend the knee for KCD2 by corporate overlords. (Yes he may actually be a woke *** himself but I suspect he was buck broken.)

Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:18

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:14

Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 22:35

The incidental genuine artistic choice that wasn't forced by higher up suits in question:

Re-reading this, I’m struggling to see how this is supposed to damage my argument or support yours. It seems like the quotation you shared actually strengthened my point.

You’re giving an example of a developer fighting against the publisher to include same-sex marriage. That’s exactly the kind of artistic choice I was describing, rather than being corporately mandated. Today the positions would be reversed.

I guess if your argument is "Well he was in charge of the studio so he is the higher up!" But being the co-founder of the studio doesn’t erase the fact that he was negotiating against a higher-level corporate entity (Microsoft) that had veto power over the content.

It doesn't matter why every single man in the British fantasy game wants to have gay sex with you

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:48

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:21

That's another good example to support what I was saying. The woke artist was fighting to put nigress on the cover. Microsoft was like "**** no, we want to make money".

Today the position would be reversed (if you can actually find a dev who isn't a ****** anymore). Vavra is the nearest example I can think of off the top of my head. He got punished for KCD1 and was forced to bend the knee for KCD2 by corporate overlords. (Yes he may actually be a woke *** himself but I suspect he was buck broken.)

There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:49

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:48

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:21

That's another good example to support what I was saying. The woke artist was fighting to put nigress on the cover. Microsoft was like "**** no, we want to make money".

Today the position would be reversed (if you can actually find a dev who isn't a ****** anymore). Vavra is the nearest example I can think of off the top of my head. He got punished for KCD1 and was forced to bend the knee for KCD2 by corporate overlords. (Yes he may actually be a woke *** himself but I suspect he was buck broken.)

There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.

Nonsense.

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:48

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 23:21

That's another good example to support what I was saying. The woke artist was fighting to put nigress on the cover. Microsoft was like "**** no, we want to make money".

Today the position would be reversed (if you can actually find a dev who isn't a ****** anymore). Vavra is the nearest example I can think of off the top of my head. He got punished for KCD1 and was forced to bend the knee for KCD2 by corporate overlords. (Yes he may actually be a woke *** himself but I suspect he was buck broken.)

There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:57

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

I'm truly sorry you live in this insane world where you actually think video game devs would be on your side.

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:57

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

DEI mandates were at the hiring level

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:00

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:57

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

DEI mandates were at the hiring level

Did all devs who worked in the industry prior to those mandates just quit overnight in your fantasy?

Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:59

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:56

Lol 3 contrarians in a row trying to pretend there weren't DEI mandates at every major publisher for the last decade.

It's not even worth engaging because it's such an un-serious claim.

Even if this were true the developers chose to work under the publisher

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:02

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:00

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:57

DEI mandates were at the hiring level

Did all devs who worked in the industry prior to those mandates just quit overnight in your fantasy?

They were ALREADY WOKE
That's why the old games they made were woke
Therefore, nothing changed

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:02

the mandates were put into place

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:03

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:02

the mandates were put into place

To hire only foids & non-whites, yes.
Which shaped how games were made, making them significantly more overtly gay race communist

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:45

His dear old grandpa sure got into lots of wacky adventures!

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:04

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:03

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:02

the mandates were put into place

To hire only foids & non-whites, yes.
Which shaped how games were made, making them significantly more overtly gay race communist

Yes. And what about the employees who worked there prior to that?

Going to keep avoiding that part?

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:05

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:04

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:03

To hire only foids & non-whites, yes.
Which shaped how games were made, making them significantly more overtly gay race communist

Yes. And what about the employees who worked there prior to that?

Going to keep avoiding that part?

1990s-era "color blind" liberals, who were a product of the same system, a stepping stone

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:16

five minutes of research:


https://medium.com/@IvIeMph/the-dei-dil ... a553d045ec

And of course everyone is familiar with Sweet Baby Inc and other firms like them. Specifically brought in to dictate changes to the games whether devs liked it or not.

The contrarianism is a tiresome bit.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:20

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:16

five minutes of research:


https://medium.com/@IvIeMph/the-dei-dil ... a553d045ec

And of course everyone is familiar with Sweet Baby Inc and other firms like them. Specifically brought in to dictate changes to the games whether devs liked it or not.

The contrarianism is a tiresome bit.

an anonymous source told me his anonymous source is fake

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:08

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:05

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:04

Yes. And what about the employees who worked there prior to that?

Going to keep avoiding that part?

1990s-era "color blind" liberals, who were a product of the same system, a stepping stone

1990s era color blind liberals are considered racist nazis to progressives, so your reasoning doesn't hold up under minimal scrutiny.

Kolgrim wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:02

A Chinese opium den wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 22:23

Kolgrim wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2026, 20:56

I understand the sentiment but if you take that hard-line approach to everything then almost every RPG or JRPG is woke. FF7? Cloud dressed as a woman so woke. Kotor? Woke because Bastila is a girlboss and there's a gay romance. The list goes on and on. I just don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I'd rather push back and see a series redeemed then just abandon it for the **** to co-opt.

Yeah but imagine if every time devs made a really good game they didn't add sections where you have to pretend to be a woman to progress the main story. The prospective audience for any new promising games with gay **** in it could embargo the game until the devs are forced to capitulate and patch out the gay stuff, its never been more achievable now that games can be changed in real time over opinionated players pressuring and harassing devs. We would be fools to not use the benefits of modern times, and harassing libtards who put annoying **** in videogames to spite you is a Divine mission.

I agree completely with you. We should pressure devs to patch out subversive messaging and yeah FF7 would be a better game if we weren't forced to pretend to be a woman in that one section. I just used it as an example to argue that just because it has one bad moment in it like that doesn't mean the whole product is bad or that the IP isn't worth fighting for.

In my original comment to Oyster Sauce I was just speaking about gaming in general and trying to articulate that we shouldn't cede ground to leftists just because past games may have the occasional liberal idea floated. If we take the stance that we only fight for based games and everything else should be turned over to the left then we'll never win the culture war. That's all I'm saying.

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:21

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:20

Bertram_Tung wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 01:16

five minutes of research:


https://medium.com/@IvIeMph/the-dei-dil ... a553d045ec

And of course everyone is familiar with Sweet Baby Inc and other firms like them. Specifically brought in to dictate changes to the games whether devs liked it or not.

The contrarianism is a tiresome bit.

an anonymous source told me his anonymous source is fake

Why does Sweet Baby Inc exist, ******? Why would they ever be needed if every dev was already fully on board with making their games as woke as possible?

Stack of Turtles wrote: ↑ January 25th, 2026, 00:48

There is not a single dev in the entire world who was forced against his will to include woke things by corporate overlords. It's an urban legend.