Most OVERRATED video game

[TND]

Shadow of the Colossus

Shadow of the Colossus is great. One of the few games I have replayed multiple times. The horse riding feels great, both the actual animation of the horse and the jostling of the camera as you press the button for Wander to kick the horse and it starts getting up to speed, or is slowing down. Good art direction, both the environments and textures, Wander himself, and the Colossi are nice to look at. Melancholic feel as you gallop across a vast empty land. I quite liked booting up my PS2 and just riding around the valley to explore, particularly the Southeastern cliffs and the Southwestern beach with the waves.

Aside from 3 bosses, the fights were pretty intuitive that you could figure them out. I only had to pause the game and go consult the internet for help on lake boss with the lasers, the first bullfight boss with the torch, and then the second to last boss with the platform you have to bait him to get him to step on it so that you can climb up it to proceed.

The story amped up tension near the end when you find out that the hero is being pursued, and then had a unique tragic where he lost. Tragic not as in bad things happening, but as in a hero suffering a moral downfall and there being a point to the story, in which it turns out that our so-called hero was actually a foolish boy who disobeyed his elders and became a pawn for what was probably a wicked being that led the the now extinct civilization here to ruin, with their sacrificial altars (human sacrifice!?!?) and gladiatorial arenas.

But I played it on PS2 before I was really into the internet and stumbled upon the strange phenomena at the time where some people were apparently very upset by a certain movie reviewer/"authority figure" saying "videogames are not art", and then people constantly feeling the need to point to SotC (and then The Last of Us) as "see? games can be art too!".

I am very sorry to say this, it was meant to be a simple troll but I have never played Shadow of the Colossus or Silent Hill 2. But with the way you describe SOTC I will definitely be playing it soon on PCSX2.

[Vlajdimir Ermenović]

lol

As much as I love the game and have nearly 3k hours in it, BG3 was a total industry plant just like E33, another overrated game

these are both good games, but nah, it's all an elaborate conspiracy by the jocks that beat you up in school. You gotta show your special smart boy noticer credentials somehow.

[Niggler]

Man really thinks his Shadowwife moves mountains

Tides of Annihilation is gonna sell 1000 gorillion copies since she's the mc I guess

I do think she's a great voice actress and seeing Andy Serkis, which I found the be the best performer in that game, lose the VA award to her in the Game Awards, I can understand Rusty's point regarding her popularity. But I also don't think we've reached Hollywood levels of insanity in the gaming industry, such that a single actress can define a game's success. Though we have seen more and more celebrities being shoved into games lately and marketed as a big selling point, so who knows how much longer sanity will last...

She also wants to shove more identity politics in games, and seeing how ****** game devs are, they will likely listen

[Niggler]

I'm not here to debate the efficacy of review scores, but Mixtape and E33 are obviously polar opposites here since people actually played and love one of them

E33 probably would have sold like 7 copies total without using shadowheart's VA to market it

I was interested in the game since the first trailer, and I had no idea who any of these people were, be it the writers, the actors, whatever. Still haven't played BG3 past the tutorial so The Great Shadowheart's Great Reputation fell on deaf ears on me.

Not to mention it's an entirely different setting and game from BG3, aside from being turn-based. So even if those players recognized their familiar voice actress, I wouldn't bet on the Venn Diagram between the two games' playerbases overlapping as much as you might think.

Tbh, hearing Jennifer English's voice as anyone other than Shadowheart is insufferable

[methoxetamine]

E33 probably would have sold like 7 copies total without using shadowheart's VA to market it

I was interested in the game since the first trailer, and I had no idea who any of these people were, be it the writers, the actors, whatever. Still haven't played BG3 past the tutorial so The Great Shadowheart's Great Reputation fell on deaf ears on me.

Not to mention it's an entirely different setting and game from BG3, aside from being turn-based. So even if those players recognized their familiar voice actress, I wouldn't bet on the Venn Diagram between the two games' playerbases overlapping as much as you might think.

Tbh, hearing Jennifer English's voice as anyone other than Shadowheart is insufferable

This except hearing her as anyone other than Maelle.

[Niggler]

Tides of Annihilation is gonna sell 1000 gorillion copies since she's the mc I guess

I do think she's a great voice actress and seeing Andy Serkis, which I found the be the best performer in that game, lose the VA award to her in the Game Awards, I can understand Rusty's point regarding her popularity. But I also don't think we've reached Hollywood levels of insanity in the gaming industry, such that a single actress can define a game's success. Though we have seen more and more celebrities being shoved into games lately and marketed as a big selling point, so who knows how much longer sanity will last...

I assumed it's because Serkis wasn't there and that they wanted to keep the awards in the video game industry, but she was probably gifted it because she's a carpet muncher tbh. I loved her as Maelle but Andy gave arguably my favorite video game VA performance ever

"Carpet muncher" lmao

Haven't heard that one

[Kalarion]

You guys are mad a White guy with wealthy family actually used his money to make something good? Aren't there actual evil nepobabies to ***** about? Btw there is still zero proof whatsoever of Broches family funding the game, but if his dad paid every dime of it, I'd love to shake his hand.

There are a lot of zealots on this forum, you might not have noticed them. To people like us the message and politics are just as important as the quality of product, and E33's message and politics are dogshit. No one would be mad if a White mega-zillionaire and his multinational corpo funded good games that celebrated good things. Look at the reception for KCD1! In my case I'll even take mediocre games that celebrate the right things.

If you think of E33 as a relief from the gaming desert, fine. Just be ready to take fire when you try to pawn it off as something it isn't while you praise it.

[rusty_shackleford]

E33 is bad because it's a QTE game

[Finarfin]

All Larian games tbh. Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity, Divinity: Original Sin 1/2 and especially Baldur's Gate 3

[methoxetamine]

E33's message and politics are dogshit.

How though? The same people who say this **** will turn around and play BG3 and it's just comical to me

the message of E33 is that women are weak and stupid and need men to save them from themselves btw. It's about a White father doing the needful to save his broken family.

[rusty_shackleford]

E33's message and politics are dogshit.

How though? The same people who say this **** will turn around and play BG3 and it's just comical to me

He doesn't know, he doesn't play any of these games

[asf]

i googled e33 and you should ************* immediately

[Vlajdimir Ermenović]

I was interested in the game since the first trailer, and I had no idea who any of these people were, be it the writers, the actors, whatever. Still haven't played BG3 past the tutorial so The Great Shadowheart's Great Reputation fell on deaf ears on me.

Not to mention it's an entirely different setting and game from BG3, aside from being turn-based. So even if those players recognized their familiar voice actress, I wouldn't bet on the Venn Diagram between the two games' playerbases overlapping as much as you might think.

Tbh, hearing Jennifer English's voice as anyone other than Shadowheart is insufferable

This except hearing her as anyone other than Maelle.

Malle's death sound is ear rape. Maybe that should earn it credit for being accurate, but that which we call earrape by any other name hurts just as hard.

[methoxetamine]

i googled e33 and you should ************* immediately

i'm aware but what does e33 have to do with that

[methoxetamine]

Tbh, hearing Jennifer English's voice as anyone other than Shadowheart is insufferable

This except hearing her as anyone other than Maelle.

Malle's death sound is ear rape. Maybe that should earn it credit for being accurate, but that which we call earrape by any other name hurts just as hard.

don't die

[Kalarion]

E33's message and politics are dogshit.

How though? The same people who say this **** will turn around and play BG3 and it's just comical to me

the message of E33 is that women are weak and stupid and need men to save them from themselves btw. It's about a White father doing the needful to save his broken family.

You made this message up. Subverting our enemies' propaganda is right and good but we should still recognize what they were trying to do with it. In the same way I'm not going to praise the Barbie movie for muh BASED KEN, I won't do it here.

I can't speak for other zealots, but when I used the term I had in mind specifically that I have loudly refused to play it and excoriated those who do, resulting in multiple fights here and in chat over the years, and at least once in my being put on ignore. I don't even read the BG3 thread, I loathe it and I'll probably never play or buy future Larian games because of it. You've already observed Rusty's butthurt over the fact I won't touch the dogshit pile. Witness also my trashing of Stellar Blade et al for being coombait.

I've been pretty consistent on this point.

[methoxetamine]

E33's message and politics are dogshit.

How though? The same people who say this **** will turn around and play BG3 and it's just comical to me

the message of E33 is that women are weak and stupid and need men to save them from themselves btw. It's about a White father doing the needful to save his broken family.

You made this message up. Subverting our enemies' propaganda is right and good but we should still recognize what they were trying to do with it. In the same way I'm not going to praise the Barbie movie for muh BASED KEN, I won't do it here.

I can't speak for other zealots, but when I used the term I had in mind specifically that I have loudly refused to play it and excoriated those who do, resulting in multiple fights here and in chat over the years, and at least once in my being put on ignore. I don't even read the BG3 thread, I loathe it and I'll probably never play or buy future Larian games because of it. You've already observed Rusty's butthurt over the fact I won't touch the dogshit pile. Witness also my trashing of Stellar Blade et al for being coombait.

I've been pretty consistent on this point.

I agree with you in principle but you are just flat out wrong about E33 being "our enemies propaganda"

[rusty_shackleford]

@Kalarion has been sentenced to one(1) playthrough of E33 for speaking on a topic he had no knowledge of

[Tangerine]

How though? The same people who say this **** will turn around and play BG3 and it's just comical to me

the message of E33 is that women are weak and stupid and need men to save them from themselves btw. It's about a White father doing the needful to save his broken family.

You made this message up. Subverting our enemies' propaganda is right and good but we should still recognize what they were trying to do with it. In the same way I'm not going to praise the Barbie movie for muh BASED KEN, I won't do it here.

I can't speak for other zealots, but when I used the term I had in mind specifically that I have loudly refused to play it and excoriated those who do, resulting in multiple fights here and in chat over the years, and at least once in my being put on ignore. I don't even read the BG3 thread, I loathe it and I'll probably never play or buy future Larian games because of it. You've already observed Rusty's butthurt over the fact I won't touch the dogshit pile. Witness also my trashing of Stellar Blade et al for being coombait.

I've been pretty consistent on this point.

I agree with you in principle but you are just flat out wrong about E33 being "our enemies propaganda"

The story is about a man being wrong because he doesn't want his foids to engage in self-destructive behavior.

[methoxetamine]

You made this message up. Subverting our enemies' propaganda is right and good but we should still recognize what they were trying to do with it. In the same way I'm not going to praise the Barbie movie for muh BASED KEN, I won't do it here.

I can't speak for other zealots, but when I used the term I had in mind specifically that I have loudly refused to play it and excoriated those who do, resulting in multiple fights here and in chat over the years, and at least once in my being put on ignore. I don't even read the BG3 thread, I loathe it and I'll probably never play or buy future Larian games because of it. You've already observed Rusty's butthurt over the fact I won't touch the dogshit pile. Witness also my trashing of Stellar Blade et al for being coombait.

I've been pretty consistent on this point.

I agree with you in principle but you are just flat out wrong about E33 being "our enemies propaganda"

The story is about a man being wrong because he doesn't want his foids to engage in self-destructive behavior.

How is the story about him being wrong when he isn't wrong?

[sheet]

I will determine my answer more methodically using a 3-point comparison between games.

First, game reviews are one place to start. Some games will receive universal praise, but the factors behind that praise may differ based on time period, genre, and, unfortunately, politics. I will use the highest mobyscore as a basic consensus sorter. I will also assume a newer game will be more overrated. Reviews have been thoroughly payola'ed and ideologically boosted in modern times while in the 90s and 2000's, reviews actually considered and pointed out flaws. Half-Life getting a 92% is far more deserved and believable than Last of Us getting a 99%. Also, reviewers had less forsight for marketing, so knowing that a game was going to be "revolutionary" ahead of release was harder, so it was at least a little more difficult for insiders to conform to consensus like you see happening today.

Second, popularity is also a factor. A game is more overrated if more good goys play it. On an individual player basis, some ****** may love and overrate a "find the cats" game, that is objectively utter trash and barely a game, at a magnitude far in excess of its quality. However, such games may not have the widespread appeal of something like Red Dead Redemption 2 or GTA V, which may be more competent games in their own right and thus are overrated at a smaller magnitude on an individual player basis.

Third, the test of time. If your game is hailed as the second coming of Pong, Doom, Halo, or what have you, but no one remembers or talks about it 3 months after release, then your game is woefully overrated.

I will have my answer later. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Oyster Sauce]

Skipped E33 because I saw black and Chinese people

[Tangerine]

I agree with you in principle but you are just flat out wrong about E33 being "our enemies propaganda"

The story is about a man being wrong because he doesn't want his foids to engage in self-destructive behavior.

How is the story about him being wrong when he isn't wrong?

It presents him as the bad guy for the first 2/3s of the game, then the devs cop out with "well it's ambiguous who's actually right" in the last third because Renoir wants to eliminate soulless automatons to save his family.

[methoxetamine]

The story is about a man being wrong because he doesn't want his foids to engage in self-destructive behavior.

How is the story about him being wrong when he isn't wrong?

It presents him as the bad guy for the first 2/3s of the game, then the devs cop out with "well it's ambiguous who's actually right" in the last third because Renoir wants to eliminate soulless automatons to save his family.

It presents him as the bad guy before any info comes out about him, he is immediately sympathetic the moment you learn who he really is

[asf]

sounds like a game for women

[Tangerine]

How is the story about him being wrong when he isn't wrong?

It presents him as the bad guy for the first 2/3s of the game, then the devs cop out with "well it's ambiguous who's actually right" in the last third because Renoir wants to eliminate soulless automatons to save his family.

It presents him as the bad guy before any info comes out about him, he is immediately sympathetic the moment you learn who he really is

Do you believe there truly is a true or “good” ending to the game?

That’s something we’ve had a lot of arguments about in the team too! I think your reaction to the endings, and which one is the “good” ending, is super subjective and related to your own personal experiences in real life...Ultimately, what matters is your own interpretation of the ending and of the story.

Sounds like subversive hogwash to me!

Edit: Source

[methoxetamine]

It presents him as the bad guy for the first 2/3s of the game, then the devs cop out with "well it's ambiguous who's actually right" in the last third because Renoir wants to eliminate soulless automatons to save his family.

It presents him as the bad guy before any info comes out about him, he is immediately sympathetic the moment you learn who he really is

Do you believe there truly is a true or “good” ending to the game?

That’s something we’ve had a lot of arguments about in the team too! I think your reaction to the endings, and which one is the “good” ending, is super subjective and related to your own personal experiences in real life...Ultimately, what matters is your own interpretation of the ending and of the story.

Sounds like subversive hogwash to me!

Edit: Source

He's letting ******* off easily, it's not subjective at all. E33 has a good ending and a bad ending.

[sheet]

God of War: Ragnarok hits most of my criteria. no, I haven't played it nor will I ever.

Barely a game with suck-to-target, spammy gameplay, "DSP-proof" handholding, zero exploration, unwelcome lecturing, endless cutscenes, yellow paint, annoying NPC chatter and hints, reddit "muh dad simulator" ********, girlbosses, millennial writing, race swaps, hero archtype subversion, ugly characters, virtue signaling cast members, castrated OG developers who regret what made them successful in the old days, ranked 19th highest consensus by modern reviews, less talked about than even Last of Us 2, sold like gangbusters.

[Bhaalspawn Jr]

Shadow of the Colossus

Shadow of the Colossus is great. One of the few games I have replayed multiple times. The horse riding feels great, both the actual animation of the horse and the jostling of the camera as you press the button for Wander to kick the horse and it starts getting up to speed, or is slowing down. Good art direction, both the environments and textures, Wander himself, and the Colossi are nice to look at. Melancholic feel as you gallop across a vast empty land. I quite liked booting up my PS2 and just riding around the valley to explore, particularly the Southeastern cliffs and the Southwestern beach with the waves.

Aside from 3 bosses, the fights were pretty intuitive that you could figure them out. I only had to pause the game and go consult the internet for help on lake boss with the lasers, the first bullfight boss with the torch, and then the second to last boss with the platform you have to bait him to get him to step on it so that you can climb up it to proceed.

The story amped up tension near the end when you find out that the hero is being pursued, and then had a unique tragic where he lost. Tragic not as in bad things happening, but as in a hero suffering a moral downfall and there being a point to the story, in which it turns out that our so-called hero was actually a foolish boy who disobeyed his elders and became a pawn for what was probably a wicked being that led the the now extinct civilization here to ruin, with their sacrificial altars (human sacrifice!?!?) and gladiatorial arenas.

But I played it on PS2 before I was really into the internet and stumbled upon the strange phenomena at the time where some people were apparently very upset by a certain movie reviewer/"authority figure" saying "videogames are not art", and then people constantly feeling the need to point to SotC (and then The Last of Us) as "see? games can be art too!".

I am very sorry to say this, it was meant to be a simple troll but I have never played Shadow of the Colossus or Silent Hill 2. But with the way you describe SOTC I will definitely be playing it soon on PCSX2.

Just a heads up. I'm going to play it too and have done some research regarding the differences between the NTSC and PAL versions of the game. The PAL version came out later and patched a few glitches and added a few mechanics like a 'slow-mo shot' whenever you land the killing blow on a colossus for dramatic effect. They used the PAL version for all releases (such as the PS3 remaster) going forward.

I normally go NTSC because they are 60hz while PAL is 50hz, but there's an option in the PAL version to enable 60, so the PAL version seems to be the way to go if you care about these things.

[TND]

Look at the reception for KCD1! In my case I'll even take mediocre games that celebrate the right things.

Hey man don't call my favorite game mediocre

Just a heads up. I'm going to play it too and have done some research regarding the differences between the NTSC and PAL versions of the game. The PAL version came out later and patched a few glitches and added a few mechanics like a 'slow-mo shot' whenever you land the killing blow on a colossus for dramatic effect. They used the PAL version for all releases (such as the PS3 remaster) going forward.

I normally go NTSC because they are 60hz while PAL is 50hz, but there's an option in the PAL version to enable 60, so the PAL version seems to be the way to go if you care about these things.

I forgot it was ported to the PS3, I guess I'll play it on that system. Thanks bro.