Songs of Conquest - Spiritual Successor to HOMM

[Decline]

Dear Sir / Madam


This looks like stinking garbage filled with ******, *******, body type 2's and other ugly mutants. I hate the portrait art style. This is clearly a very zogged game attempting to cash in on that HoMM3 nostalgia, which leads me to believe that you have no standards, @Decline. Would you kindly **** off to some other forum? I know a few which cater to your tastes (or lack thereof).

Best regards

Monochrome

I can't help you with your visual preferences. I will only note that you apparently had no problem loving the **** out of all the ******, *******, body type 2's and other ugly mutants while playing HoMM3 that this game is so unfairly attempting to cash in on. Which leaves me to believe that you have double standards.

A lot of us didn’t notice the agenda back then. Now that we are able to correctly assess these elements as an attack on whites, we are responding accordingly.

So HoMM is woke and **** is what you're saying?

[Gunnar]

I can't help you with your visual preferences. I will only note that you apparently had no problem loving the **** out of all the ******, *******, body type 2's and other ugly mutants while playing HoMM3 that this game is so unfairly attempting to cash in on. Which leaves me to believe that you have double standards.

A lot of us didn’t notice the agenda back then. Now that we are able to correctly assess these elements as an attack on whites, we are responding accordingly.

So HoMM is woke and **** is what you're saying?

Yes.

[Decline]

A lot of us didn’t notice the agenda back then. Now that we are able to correctly assess these elements as an attack on whites, we are responding accordingly.

So HoMM is woke and **** is what you're saying?

Yes.

On the phone with the Polish Game Defamation League right now. You have it coming.

[Decline]

About This Content

Songs of Conquest’s second new faction has spread from deep within the Wyldwoods of the Bleak East. The Roots are ancient sentient colonies of flora, fungus, and the bones of dead heroes repurposed to serve the relentless expansion of the Wyldwoods. Grow your might, and spread your roots in five new conquest maps. Learn the ancient secrets of the forest. Command nine new Wielders, dead creatures, now infested and alive under the control of the Tree Mothers.

Included in The Roots faction DLC:

A new biome, the sentient forest of the Bleak East.

8 troops with new traits and abilities

9 Wielders with both new and old specializations

Their own unique way of handling Essence

Towns and settlements with new buildings

5 new Conquest maps highlighting the new biome and faction

2 new challenge maps to showcase the lore and test your skills

New Artifact sets

Owning the DLC does not exclude you from playing against others online, even if they don’t own the DLC, or vice versa.

[Cloharp7]

Saw one of the reviews on GOG:

So you start the first campaign and immediately the game reminds you that it is in fact the 2020's, with the first two major characters being human female warrior-commanders who act exactly like you'd expect a man to. Trully, if THEY were competing in the olympics no ***** athlete would steal their gold. Obviously one is black, in case you somehow still had any doubts about the current year of our Lord.

It doesn't even look like this game had a DEI consultant breathing down the dev's neck telling them to make the female sprites uglier, or how insensitive it is to have a race of swamp things that are enslaved and that there isn't enough homossexual intercourse in your strategy game. It just seems that they decided to greet me with empowered wamen as a defense mechanism against *spit on floor* game journos having a hissy fit over literally anything that isn't progressive propaganda.


Yeah, I don't think I am going to buy that.

[Decline]

So you start the first campaign and immediately the game reminds you that it is in fact the 2020's, with the first two major characters being human female warrior-commanders who act exactly like you'd expect a man to. Trully, if THEY were competing in the olympics no ***** athlete would steal their gold. Obviously one is black, in case you somehow still had any doubts about the current year of our Lord.

So it is like the start of the campaign of HoMM3?

[Cloharp7]

So you start the first campaign and immediately the game reminds you that it is in fact the 2020's, with the first two major characters being human female warrior-commanders who act exactly like you'd expect a man to. Trully, if THEY were competing in the olympics no ***** athlete would steal their gold. Obviously one is black, in case you somehow still had any doubts about the current year of our Lord.

So it is like the start of the campaign of HoMM3?

The female lead in HoMM3 is a sorceress, not a butch lesbian. I would have even been fine with the butch lesbian, if it weren't for:

- Her best friend companion being a butch lesbian too (greataxe variant)
- The empire being governed by "the GrEatEsT and mOsT pErFecT eMprEesS!!1!"
- The Fae faction having a Queen
- The knight units in the Arleon faction being women
- The ******* blacksmith in the map being a woman
- The Fae nobles units being women
- The only guys that would look like mighty warriors are undead, while all the others either look like backliners, or having non-combat roles.
- The ogres-like units from Barya being females.

I mean, call me crazy, but I am noticing a pattern here.

[Decline]

I mean, call me crazy, but I am noticing a pattern here.

Yes, apparently HOMM3 is woke and therefore unplayable.

[Cloharp7]

I mean, call me crazy, but I am noticing a pattern here.

Yes, apparently HOMM3 is woke and therefore unplayable.

Again, the protagonist of the beginning of HoMM3 is a sorceress, not a butch lesbian. Strong, powerful, but not physically fit as a man.

Fun fact: Metroid is (for now at least) one of my favorite franchises. Maybe it has to do with the fact Samus does what she does because she is in a mecha suit. She's the brain, the suit's the brawn. Or maybe because she had something like FOUR DIFFERENT FATHER FIGURES. And maybe because she doesn't go around humiliating men.

Again, noticing patterns.

[Decline]

Again, the protagonist of the beginning of HoMM3 is a sorceress, not a butch lesbian. Strong, powerful, but not physically fit as a man.

The rest of your bullet points is also true for HoMM3, Queen Catherine etc.

Stop being less boring when you're being a duplicitous fuckwit.

[Cloharp7]

Again, the protagonist of the beginning of HoMM3 is a sorceress, not a butch lesbian. Strong, powerful, but not physically fit as a man.

The rest of your bullet points is also true for HoMM3, Queen Catherine etc.

Stop being less boring when you're being a duplicitous fuckwit.

Of the bullet points, you addressed only one, you simple-minded chump.

I just checked the unit list on HoMM3, where are the female Knight? The female ogres? The male roles overwhelmingly, if not 100% given to women because "we live in feminist times now"?

Oh yeah. Nowhere.

A queen is not a problem. A female protagonist, or a " stronk wahmen" from time to time is not a problem. But the overwhelming majority of men's roles given to women is disgusting.

That's my opinion at least.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/60 ... i/58817715 here is a complaint of too many women roles... in HoMM6. Yeah, that did not seem to be common in the previous episodes of the game.

[Decline]

just checked the unit list on HoMM3, where are the female Knight? The female ogres?

Naga, Naga Queen(!!!), Genie, Medusa, Pixies, Sprites (Fay), ...

A queen is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

A female protagonist, or a " stronk wahmen" from time to time is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

The difference between Gunnar and you is that Gunnar is at least consistent with his insane ad-hoc religion. You're just talking out of your ***.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/60 ... i/58817715 here is a complaint of too many women roles... in HoMM6. Yeah, that did not seem to be common in the previous episodes of the game.

This thread is about SoC not HOMM6. I did you autistic duty and counted:

Arleon: 1/17 female units
Rana: 0/17
Barya: 1/17
Loth: 0/17
Vanir: 0/17

Very progressive.

That is your claim anyway. The 'female' knight looks male to me in the concept art, I can't tell what gender it is supposed to be from the pixels either way. The upgrade ogre is indeed genuinely female, definitely looks like your mother (and LDG).

[Cloharp7]

just checked the unit list on HoMM3, where are the female Knight? The female ogres?

Naga, Naga Queen(!!!), Genie, Medusa, Pixies, Sprites (Fay), ...

A queen is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

A female protagonist, or a " stronk wahmen" from time to time is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

The difference between Gunnar and you is that Gunnar is at least consistent with his insane ad-hoc religion. You're just talking out of your ***.

And you seem pretty dense.

The problem is not "the Queen", " the female knight", "the female protagonist", "...".
The problem is "the queen and the female Knight and the female protagonist..."

Also, what's the problem with "Naga Queens", "Genies" and "Fairies" being females? Is there a single female unit in full-plated armor, brandishing a greataxe and with ripped muscles? Is there a "male character stereotype" given to a woman in HoMM3?

[Decline]

The problem is "the queen and the female Knight and[/] the female protagonist...".

There is no female knight. And there is one campaign with a female main protagonist, the remaining 4 being male. Which is even less women than in HOMM3. If anything SoC deserves the MGTOW 2024 award on a golden ribbon by sticking it to the *******.

Also, what's the problem with "Naga Queens", "Genies" and "Fairies" being females?

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Why would I know!? This is a problem for you not for me.

Also, what's the problem with "Naga Queens", "Genies" and "Fairies" being females?

Sylvia, Beatrice, Valeskam, Sorsha, Tyris, Catherine are the female knights. Cleric is also male domination yet there are female clerics. And that's just Castle... And just HOMM3.

You have either never played HOMM or any M&M game whatsoever or you're talking out of your ***.

[Cloharp7]

just checked the unit list on HoMM3, where are the female Knight? The female ogres?

Naga, Naga Queen(!!!), Genie, Medusa, Pixies, Sprites (Fay), ...

A queen is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

A female protagonist, or a " stronk wahmen" from time to time is not a problem.

Yet you list it as a problem.

The difference between Gunnar and you is that Gunnar is at least consistent with his insane ad-hoc religion. You're just talking out of your ***.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/60 ... i/58817715 here is a complaint of too many women roles... in HoMM6. Yeah, that did not seem to be common in the previous episodes of the game.

This thread is about SoC not HOMM6. I did you autistic duty and counted:

Arleon: 1/17 female units
Rana: 0/17
Barya: 1/17
Loth: 0/17
Vanir: 0/17

Very progressive.

That is your claim anyway. The 'female' knight looks male to me in the concept art, I can't tell what gender it is supposed to be from the pixels either way. The upgrade ogre is indeed genuinely female, definitely looks like your mother (and LDG).

Ok **** it. Here we go:

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ARLEON:
Minstrel / Trobadour: female (you can hear their SFX)
Knight / Fist of Order: female (you can hear their SFX. Moreover, the sprite has what looks like long hair on the shield's arm)
Faey noble / Faey Queen: female (pretty self-explanatory)
3 / 8 Units are female, and two of them are high-ranked ones, or iconic (the knight).
4 / 8 Units are male, mostly the lowest ones (Militia, Archers, Footmen).
1 / 8 Unit is undefined (Faey Spirits).

BARYA:
Pikeneer / Veteran Pikeneer: female (sprite / SFX)
Tinkerer / Artificer: female (SFX)
Brute / Scarred Brute: female (they literally have boobs + SFX)
3 / 8 Units are female, all of them frontliners
4 / 8 Units are male, all backliners besides one (sassanid)
1 / 8 Unit is undefined (Dreath, they are animals. Even though they seem hyenas (you know, matriarchal packs and whatnot) if we want to be pedantic).

RANA: I don't know yet. Even though the "oppressed frog people" are already pushing an agenda, wouldn't you agree?

BARONY OF LOTH: no female units. After all, why would you portray the tortured souls of the dead as women? That would be distasteful and mysogynistic, right? [end sarcasm] . Also, friendly reminder, the entire faction lore can be summarized as a legion of simps for their Empress. Totally, absolutely, definitely not progressive at all.
EDIT: And they are the stereotypical evil faction. OF COURSE they will be mostly men! Didn't you read the memo? We are in the 2020s you silly, not in some kind of bigoted late 90s *scoffs* .

VANIR: I don't know about this one, but I would agree that this has mostly male units and no """subversion of roles""". Would you look at that!
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I would start an argument of SoC's "wielders", but I don't have time right now.

[Gunnar]

insane ad-hoc religion.

Noticing things is insane. Having an opinion is a religion. You seem upset?

[Decline]

insane ad-hoc religion.

Noticing things is insane. Having an opinion is a religion. You seem upset?

I have already said that I have no trouble with your insanity because you also 'notice' that HOMM is woke. That is consistent. I can respect that.
The issue with Clownharp is that he claims that SoC is woke while claiming HOMM isn't at the same time whereas HOMM is much more woke by his own definition of wokeness (number of woman knights in chainmail, number of butch lesbians encountered during the campaign). He is just babbling arbitrary nonsense for the express purpose of collecting updoots and I hate this redditor behavior.

[Decline]

(you can hear their SFX)

I play without sound.



I can't tell what gender that is supposed to be. Could be a man, could be a woman. In my mind this is a man.



Looks like a man in full plate to me. Long hair.

Faey noble / Faey Queen: female (pretty self-explanatory)

It's not even human.

I spare myself the rest but as you discover yourself in your own post you're basically agreeing with me now.

RANA: I don't know yet. Even though the "oppressed frog people" are already pushing an agenda, wouldn't you agree?

No.
You are just ******* ********.

[Cloharp7]

insane ad-hoc religion.

Noticing things is insane. Having an opinion is a religion. You seem upset?

I have already said that I have no trouble with your insanity because you also 'notice' that HOMM is woke. That is consistent. I can respect that.
The issue with Clownharp is that he claims that SoC is woke while claiming HOMM isn't at the same time whereas HOMM is much more woke by his own definition of wokeness (number of woman knights in chainmail, number of butch lesbians encountered during the campaign). He is just babbling arbitrary nonsense for the express purpose of collecting updoots and I hate this redditor behavior.

Ok, now that I am back home and in front of my computer I checked in more detail the HoMM3 lore and I am starting to agree with you. Admittedly, I didn't play that game as much and it was a long time ago. I was sure that queen Catherine was a sorceress, but after double checking on the wiki she's a knight class. When you mentioned HoMM3 I got carried away and started making comparisons of SoC with a game I did not know fully, and I apologize for that.

However, I still think that the wokeness in HoMM3 is still way more tempered than in Songs of Conquest. As an example, in HoMM3 you have a queen as a protagonist, but also a king as her husband, and it seems implied that when they will go back to her husband's lands, he will be the ruler (as per Roland's bio).

Moreover, when you look at HoMM3 roster, and the male/female split for frontliners/knights/typical male roles is about 50/50 (as an example, there are 6 male knights and 6 female ones). In SoC, the impression I have is that the women take every stereotypical male role. They have the heaviest of weapons in their portraits (greatswords, greataxes and the such), while the men do not. Again, "wokeness from the 90s/00s vs wokeness of the 2020s".

Also, the fact that you mute the game does not mean that units like the knight or the pikeneer stop being women canonically. If you don't hear it, more power to you, but the intent is still there. The list I wrote before still stands. That is how the developers intended those units to be.

Overall, in SoC, I always have this lingering sensation in the background that the women have all the power, both in might (knights), in magic (Faey queen) and in politics (Empress Aurelia, Faey Queen/s, etc.), and that the entire world is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY) gynocentric. That is what severely grated on me when I played that game, and the point I was trying to make in all my previous posts.

My other point was, if you want to put women in a game, be my guest. There are tons of female characters "done right". My previous example was Samus from Metroid, but even Queen Catherine seems ok-ish; she has a King as husband (not a "consort") on her side; he is subordinate to her in the game, sure, but the game takes place in her father's lands, so it makes sense. I don't think SoC did it right at all in that regard. But maybe I am wrong, and I am just too thin skinned on the topic of misandry.

By the way, I did not mean to collect upvotes at all. I just wanted to share my opinion on the game, which has been very negative as you may have gathered at this point.

I hope this post was more coherent.

[Gunnar]

insane ad-hoc religion.

Noticing things is insane. Having an opinion is a religion. You seem upset?

I have already said that I have no trouble with your insanity because you also 'notice' that HOMM is woke. That is consistent. I can respect that.

You do have trouble with it because you keep referring to it as “insane” which is some kind of very upset weasel backhanded doublespeak which I do not respect at all. Going after the other poster for being inconsistent is low hanging fruit (for the easy updoots? Hmm…) why don’t you put in the work and defend the aggressive DEI that was put into this game?

[Brugmans]

Noticing things is insane. Having an opinion is a religion. You seem upset?

I have already said that I have no trouble with your insanity because you also 'notice' that HOMM is woke. That is consistent. I can respect that.
The issue with Clownharp is that he claims that SoC is woke while claiming HOMM isn't at the same time whereas HOMM is much more woke by his own definition of wokeness (number of woman knights in chainmail, number of butch lesbians encountered during the campaign). He is just babbling arbitrary nonsense for the express purpose of collecting updoots and I hate this redditor behavior.

Ok, now that I am back home and in front of my computer I checked in more detail the HoMM3 lore and I am starting to agree with you. Admittedly, I didn't play that game as much and it was a long time ago. I was sure that queen Catherine was a sorceress, but after double checking on the wiki she's a knight class. When you mentioned HoMM3 I got carried away and started making comparisons of SoC with a game I did not know fully, and I apologize for that.

However, I still think that the wokeness in HoMM3 is still way more tempered than in Songs of Conquest. As an example, in HoMM3 you have a queen as a protagonist, but also a king as her husband, and it seems implied that when they will go back to her husband's lands, he will be the ruler (as per Roland's bio).

Moreover, when you look at HoMM3 roster, and the male/female split for frontliners/knights/typical male roles is about 50/50 (as an example, there are 6 male knights and 6 female ones). In SoC, the impression I have is that the women take every stereotypical male role. They have the heaviest of weapons in their portraits (greatswords, greataxes and the such), while the men do not. Again, "wokeness from the 90s/00s vs wokeness of the 2020s".

Also, the fact that you mute the game does not mean that units like the knight or the pikeneer stop being women canonically. If you don't hear it, more power to you, but the intent is still there. The list I wrote before still stands. That is how the developers intended those units to be.

Overall, in SoC, I always have this lingering sensation in the background that the women have all the power, both in might (knights), in magic (Faey queen) and in politics (Empress Aurelia, Faey Queen/s, etc.), and that the entire world is heavily (and I mean HEAVILY) gynocentric. That is what severely grated on me when I played that game, and the point I was trying to make in all my previous posts.

My other point was, if you want to put women in a game, be my guest. There are tons of female characters "done right". My previous example was Samus from Metroid, but even Queen Catherine seems ok-ish; she has a King as husband (not a "consort") on her side; he is subordinate to her in the game, sure, but the game takes place in her father's lands, so it makes sense. I don't think SoC did it right at all in that regard. But maybe I am wrong, and I am just too thin skinned on the topic of misandry.

By the way, I did not mean to collect upvotes at all. I just wanted to share my opinion on the game, which has been very negative as you may have gathered at this point.

I hope this post was more coherent.

No one can seriously object at Pixies, Harpies and Medusae being female. I didn't even realize Genies were female, but Master Genies are male, so I'm sure the developers were making a precise statement there.
As for knights, yes, Catherine also wears plate armor, but I doubt anyone saw her in full harness during the opening cinematic and thought "could be a man, could be a woman."
It's by no means a perfect game from the point of view of representation, but if you want to be a heroic-looking Caucasian warrior fielding armies of cool, masculine monsters and soldiers you can. Can you in SoC?

[Decline]

However, I still think that the wokeness in HoMM3 is still way more tempered than in Songs of Conquest.

No. Stop with the backpedaling. If you claim SoC is woke, you have to claim the entire M&M franchise is gigawoke. Any other position is unacceptable and ideological gifting.

Overall, in SoC, I always have this lingering sensation in the background that the women have all the power,

Seek help.

You do have trouble with it because you keep referring to it as “insane”

Oh, I absolutely do think that you are insane, don't get me wrong. But your insanity does not trouble me.

I didn't even realize Genies were female, but Master Genies are male, so I'm sure the developers were making a precise statement there.

And what would that 'precise statement' be? Are you arguing the M&M devs were MGTOW activists?

[Gunnar]

You do have trouble with it because you keep referring to it as “insane”

Oh, I absolutely do think that you are insane, don't get me wrong. But your insanity does not trouble me.

You love hideously ugly black girlbosses with giant nappy afros and want to play as them in a video game. You’re weird dude.

[Decline]

You love hideously ugly black girlbosses with giant nappy afros and want to play as them in a video game. You’re weird dude.

Where did I say that?

[Cloharp7]

However, I still think that the wokeness in HoMM3 is still way more tempered than in Songs of Conquest.

No. Stop with the backpedaling. If you claim SoC is woke, you have to claim the entire M&M franchise is gigawoke. Any other position is unacceptable and ideological gifting.

Overall, in SoC, I always have this lingering sensation in the background that the women have all the power,

Seek help.

You do have trouble with it because you keep referring to it as “insane”

Oh, I absolutely do think that you are insane, don't get me wrong. But your insanity does not trouble me.

I didn't even realize Genies were female, but Master Genies are male, so I'm sure the developers were making a precise statement there.

And what would that 'precise statement' be? Are you arguing the M&M devs were MGTOW activists?

Well, I said my piece. You don't like it, well, at this point I don't care.

Also, a reminder that all I did at the beginning was posting a review on GOG I agree with. You were the one that started attacking with "HoMM3 this and bs that" like a hurt SJW.

Whatever, this game is woke feminist garbage to me, way more than HoMM3, and since Lavapotion polishes Embracer's ****, I am even more convinced in those positions. You don't like it? Too bad, so sad.

[Decline]

Also, a reminder that all I did at the beginning was posting a review on GOG I agree with. You were the one that started attacking with "HoMM3 this and bs that" like a hurt SJW.

No, I was 'attacking' with "HoMM3 this and bs that" because you are intellectually dishonest.

Whatever, this game is woke feminist garbage to me, way more than HoMM3,

And it is so for the very same reason: intellectual dishonesty.

Intellectual dishonesty is almost always driven by stupidity. Hence why you are a ******. Hence why your considerations are worthless. I do not ask a monkey for his opinion on racial superiority either.\

You don't like it? Too bad, so sad.

It is not that I don't like your opinion, don't think too highly about it, I couldn't give less of ****, it is worthless to me.

No, what I don't like is you because you're subhuman garbage. I don't like you, I don't like your 'anti-woke' cultism and I would ban you on sight if I was running this place. You are worse than the people you feign fighting against. You disgust me.

And now begone gnome, I tire of your presence.

[Gunnar]

No, what I don't like is you because you're subhuman garbage. I don't like you, I don't like your 'anti-woke' cultism and I would ban you on sight if I was running this place. You are worse than the people you feign fighting against. You disgust me.

I get it now, You are one of those people who think you are superior to both sides of the issue. The absolute worst kind of person, a centrist, who sits up on their fence and looks down at everyone else with contempt when you’re nothing but a coward who can’t tell right from wrong. Your position is self serving, sophomoric and immature. nobody is impressed. Nobody thinks you are smarter or better, we see right through you. Its you who disgust all the rest of us.

You should have led with your actual opinion instead of being passive aggressive and arguing like a woman.

[Kalarion]

You are all arguing with someone who believes, completely straight, that Diablo IV is the pinnacle of loot pinata games. He spent weeks in the HQ chat seething over Path of Exile II having the gall to release into EA as a direct competitor.

Just stop talking to him. Arguing with him is the perfect illustrative example of rolling around in **** with a pig.

[Decline]

You are all arguing with someone who believes, completely straight, that Diablo IV is the pinnacle of loot pinata games.

Diablo IV is the pinnacle of loot pinata games.

He spent weeks in the HQ chat seething over Path of Exile II having the gall to release into EA as a direct competitor.

I said that it's bad once in chat and once here in the forum, the PoE cultists predictably screaming at me and now they've all come around and agree with me. Maggots, all of them.

Just stop talking to him. Arguing with him is the perfect illustrative example of rolling around in **** with a pig.

You make the mistake thinking that I want to argue with you. I do not. I consider the majority of you as worms that are better of fed Anthelmintics so as I am not violated by having to scroll past your garbage.

The reason I even responded to Cuckharp is because I wanted to know whether he is a dishonest worm as I suspected. Unfortunately without **** tests I wouldn't know who gets the chamber and who gets the camp.

[Fitz]

Anyone still playing this? They are adding new factions that look really cool but it looks like a jebait too - reason being that the new faction dlcs don't have much single player content and I am not that interested in playing this multiplayer. How's the single player campaign?