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The AI is still bad at programming but in 5 years I might have to figure something out or exclusively be an ai programmer.

My fallback job is overenthusiastic forum administrator.

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I really don't expect much more out of AI at the current point in time tbh. I don't think we're headed into another AI winter, but essentially all the gains have been due to hardware catching up with theory. If I had to guess, not a single one of the major AI companies who are training these models are anywhere close to turning a profit — not off the AI part, anyways.

Also, if your benchmark for AI art is stable diffusion, it was just a research project. I'd suggest taking a look at what something like Midjourney produces.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 03:25

Also

Emphyrio wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 03:17

I think in 2 or 3 years there will be mandatory watermarking on all video and image ai generators (except military and glowie), both eye-visible and in the metadata, difficult to remove. Not like a big red "AI" but a small symbol that embeds itself all over the place in the generation. Something similar for audio. By then low-quality pajeet ai will be such a nuisance that most won't want to see it

lol, no.

It sucks that AI came for your job. Automation came for my grandfather's job at a steel factory before I was even born. It has been happening since the beginning of written history.
Same people getting butthurt about AI art don't seem to give a fuck that major companies use sweatshops for all their art. 'muh human factor' as some bugmen slave away for a quarter an hour in service of Yisnep.

The interesting thing about AI is that it goes both ways, it is a tool that can be used against them as well.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 10:50

Also, if your benchmark for AI art is stable diffusion, it was just a research project. I'd suggest taking a look at what something like Midjourney produces.

even if u assume what is being shown is current state, self learning module would develop in geometrical rate. it maybe shit today and jewnet next week.

handling and defining cryterias of success of self learning modules will be fucking interesting; ai needs coherent "morality" rule set that can be programmed and which human religions (including jewstream science) dont have



that being said i think there wont be fundamental ai tech explosion as long as usd is strong. cause that allows to fund effective suppression. jews cant really bomb china but they can bribe them.

Xenich wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 14:02

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 03:25

Also

Emphyrio wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 03:17

I think in 2 or 3 years there will be mandatory watermarking on all video and image ai generators (except military and glowie), both eye-visible and in the metadata, difficult to remove. Not like a big red "AI" but a small symbol that embeds itself all over the place in the generation. Something similar for audio. By then low-quality pajeet ai will be such a nuisance that most won't want to see it

lol, no.

It sucks that AI came for your job. Automation came for my grandfather's job at a steel factory before I was even born. It has been happening since the beginning of written history.
Same people getting butthurt about AI art don't seem to give a fuck that major companies use sweatshops for all their art. 'muh human factor' as some bugmen slave away for a quarter an hour in service of Yisnep.

The interesting thing about AI is that it goes both ways, it is a tool that can be used against them as well.

if u need to sell your time and compete with machine u wont benefit. u would need to own machine

Nooneatall wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 10:16

The AI is still bad at programming but in 5 years I might have to figure something out or exclusively be an ai programmer.

its funny that ai will make all high pay/high skill jobs obsolete first isnt it

running code is much cheaper than building robot chassy that can build a wall.

I think the main point Emphyrio was trying to make (feel free to correct me) is that AI is not, and will not, be a democratizing tool for non-elites to bootstrap up with. Anymore than, as Rusty incorrectly pointed out, cheap CGI was. The only thing that's democratized with these technological advances is the density of slop dumped into the trough.

At the end of the day, the infrastructure behind functioning, productive AI is in the hands of the same elites that I, at least, loathe. And they're not going to let it go. You'll get your mystery-meat bullion and your 32 oz. Coke, and heaven help you if you want your bit of sherry and a nice occasional cigar to go with it (to paraphrase CS Lewis). The only difference will be how much you'll get, not whether you can get better quality or something truly good/virtuous.

"Open" is not a declaration of intent, it's a branding strategy.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 10:50

Also, if your benchmark for AI art is stable diffusion, it was just a research project. I'd suggest taking a look at what something like Midjourney produces.

Midjourney was kevetching and banned all stability AI developers from their platform because Stability 3 mogs them and they are claiming that Stability AI stole their training / source code. Lel.

FYI Midjourney IS Stable Diffusion under the covers.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/11/2409 ... eft-outage

Shillitron wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 17:54

Midjourney was kevetching and banned all stability AI developers from their platform because Stability 3 mogs them and they are claiming that Stability AI stole their training / source code. Lel.

Doesn't SD3 have a bunch of gay jewish bullshit on using it or something?

Shillitron wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 17:54

FYI Midjourney IS Stable Diffusion under the covers.

Not really surprised, but it has a lot more effort put into it than the SD models you'll find floating around. Especially the plain SD model.

Kalarion wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 16:25

I think the main point Emphyrio was trying to make (feel free to correct me) is that AI is not, and will not, be a democratizing tool for non-elites to bootstrap up with. Anymore than, as Rusty incorrectly pointed out, cheap CGI was.

Your average low budget straight-to-streaming-service show has better special effects than blockbusters from 20 years ago. I don't know what you guys are smoking.

Kalarion wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 16:25

I think the main point Emphyrio was trying to make (feel free to correct me) is that AI is not, and will not, be a democratizing tool for non-elites to bootstrap up with. Anymore than, as Rusty incorrectly pointed out, cheap CGI was. The only thing that's democratized with these technological advances is the density of slop dumped into the trough.

At the end of the day, the infrastructure behind functioning, productive AI is in the hands of the same elites that I, at least, loathe. And they're not going to let it go. You'll get your mystery-meat bullion and your 32 oz. Coke, and heaven help you if you want your bit of sherry and a nice occasional cigar to go with it (to paraphrase CS Lewis). The only difference will be how much you'll get, not whether you can get better quality or something truly good/virtuous.

"Open" is not a declaration of intent, it's a branding strategy.

You are probably right but to steel man this argument - without AI - what's currently going on is shit.

Artists are trash
Video Games are trash
Novels and Journalism are trash
Voice Acting is trash

What are we losing here?

If AI means that a small based indie team can squeeze out a good video game in one year instead of the "AAAA" steaming pile of liberal infused shit like cyberjunk or shartfield that we get every 10 years - is that really bad?

As for "ONLY CORPORATIONS GET IT" - The blast doors already came off. I can do Audio / Text / Image / 3D Rendering all on a single video card for free. Open Source is eclipsing closed source - look at Googles shitty image generation where "white man in a business suit" prompts to some old black man dressed in a roman toga - these corporations don't have intelligent AI experts working on this - they have hive mind NPC morons doing it.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:01

Doesn't SD3 have a bunch of gay jewish bullshit on using it or something?

You might be thinking of Microsoft / Google? Stability's models are not censored at the model level (except for pruning porn / cp) - filters are fed at the api level so it's dealers choice whether to do them or not.

I know Stability 2 got a lot of shit because they removed almost all porn / nudity from it - but the community fixed that in a day ( Their weights are open source so you can take their CLIP / UNET and add your own tags / training on top of it.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:01

Not really surprised, but it has a lot more effort put into it than the SD models you'll find floating around. Especially the plain SD model.

Midjourney always has house advantage because they can take what's open and free and iterate / improve on it - the problem is Stability 3 is getting close to "You can't really improve this" Text legible, It's faster, it fixes issues with hands / missing context / lighting and composition / blah blah blah.. and it's generally not backwards compatible so MJ has to rush to reintegrate their tools.

MJ is a great service if your lazy or bored but it's got an expiration date if they don't start rethinking their business model. Free is getting too good and has NO limitations.

Shillitron wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:05

As for "ONLY CORPORATIONS GET IT" - The blast doors already came off. I can do Audio / Text / Image / 3D Rendering all on a single video card for free.

I think there's a general misunderstanding that companies like google/openAI have a monopoly on this, when they don't. Open source stuff is only lagging behind those by a year or two at worst. If you have a top of the line nvidia GPU you can do all that shit on your home PC without issue.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:14

Shillitron wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:05

As for "ONLY CORPORATIONS GET IT" - The blast doors already came off. I can do Audio / Text / Image / 3D Rendering all on a single video card for free.

I think there's a general misunderstanding that companies like google/openAI have a monopoly on this, when they don't. Open source stuff is only lagging behind those by a year or two at worst. If you have a top of the line nvidia GPU you can do all that shit on your home PC without issue.

Even Stabilities latest voice AI is better than ElevenLabs in some ways.. Not only is the text-to-voice really good.. it's bilingual. So you can record someone in English then have them speak back a Japanese paragraph - in their voice.

Yes people will probably lose their jobs over this or the landscape will change but... like... Again.

Translators have been ruining this industry for years inserting their own head larp lines into Anime and Manga "WOW SASUKE - YOUR CRINGE - LIKE THOSE GAMERGATE GUYS"
Voice actors are demanding royalties on game sales because 6 figures isn't enough.

Who are we defending here? I wanna go make good video games.

Voice actors deserve everything they get tbh. They tried to strongarm the video game industry with SAG-AFTRA tactics and got a big shrug from developers. SAG-AFTRA is the reason games like skyrimjob have a grand total of negative 2 voice actors, because if you hire one unionized VA you aren't allowed to hire any other VA who isn't unionized. Once you're aware of this, you'll start realizing why the video game industry uses just a handful of VAs. Now they get games to insert their likeness into them to try and make themselves the equivalent of a movie star. Fuck those guys.

Fuck 'em.

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:21

Voice actors deserve everything they get tbh. They tried to strongarm the video game industry with SAG-AFTRA tactics and got a big shrug from developers. SAG-AFTRA is the reason games like skyrimjob have a grand total of negative 2 voice actors, because if you hire one unionized VA you aren't allowed to hire any other VA who isn't unionized. Once you're aware of this, you'll start realizing why the video game industry uses just a handful of VAs. Now they get games to insert their likeness into them to try and make themselves the equivalent of a movie star. Fuck those guys.

Fuck 'em.

None of these people gave a shit about blue collar jobs, they got lazier and lazier, demanded more and more for less.
Anyone who has a family and kids to feed has my sympathies if they lose their job but.. my job as a developer is on the chopping block too. Gotta Adapt.

J1M wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 05:20

The insufferable communists were giddy at the prospect of AI eliminating jobs when people assumed the jobs that AI would take would be moving things in warehouses

I heard Amazog is trying something like that for their warehouses

Kalarion wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 16:25

I think the main point Emphyrio was trying to make (feel free to correct me) is that AI is not, and will not, be a democratizing tool for non-elites to bootstrap up with. Anymore than, as Rusty incorrectly pointed out, cheap CGI was. The only thing that's democratized with these technological advances is the density of slop dumped into the trough.

At the end of the day, the infrastructure behind functioning, productive AI is in the hands of the same elites that I, at least, loathe. And they're not going to let it go. You'll get your mystery-meat bullion and your 32 oz. Coke, and heaven help you if you want your bit of sherry and a nice occasional cigar to go with it (to paraphrase CS Lewis). The only difference will be how much you'll get, not whether you can get better quality or something truly good/virtuous.

"Open" is not a declaration of intent, it's a branding strategy.

u can literally buy share of most secure network on the planet utilising alien technology thats best performing asset in recorded history.
if u think thats not bootstrapping i dont know what is.

democracy is cancer as it allows retards to be participants(be used) in game of power they have no clue about ergo it leads to higher power concentration. back in the day when peasant and vaginas didnt had rights jews had much tougher job as their retarded propaganda was not so effective against more sophisticated land owners/upper class that managed those peasants.

i dont think working class and vaginas should be able to read. it was main reason why jews pushed school system with jesuits and other vermin, non literate peasants are harder to brainwash and trick into revolting against their own interest.

Shillitron wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:23

rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ April 1st, 2024, 18:21

Voice actors deserve everything they get tbh. They tried to strongarm the video game industry with SAG-AFTRA tactics and got a big shrug from developers. SAG-AFTRA is the reason games like skyrimjob have a grand total of negative 2 voice actors, because if you hire one unionized VA you aren't allowed to hire any other VA who isn't unionized. Once you're aware of this, you'll start realizing why the video game industry uses just a handful of VAs. Now they get games to insert their likeness into them to try and make themselves the equivalent of a movie star. Fuck those guys.

Fuck 'em.

None of these people gave a shit about blue collar jobs, they got lazier and lazier, demanded more and more for less.
Anyone who has a family and kids to feed has my sympathies if they lose their job but.. my job as a developer is on the chopping block too. Gotta Adapt.

waggie harder.

ai is better than the real thing. Until real artists magically reappear after being indoctrinated out of existance, I don't want to hear a nigger naysay.

Once we can automate all the labor jobs we'll have to do something about the useless eaters.

maidenhaver wrote: ↑ April 8th, 2024, 03:22

ai is better than the real thing. Until real artists magically reappear after being indoctrinated out of existance, I don't want to hear a nigger naysay.

AI allows those who lack the "raw" talent to create something themselves the means to leverage AI to achieve a similar result. There are a lot of people out there who lack the talent to draw, paint, etc... in their own hand, but... have a vision of what they would like to see and can describe this to an AI who then can see this to a result and in many instances can direct the AI to produce work that surpasses many real artists work.

What is art anyway? It is the idea/vision someone has brought to display. There is a component of the "skill of hand" in the production, but this is mechanical and can be trained (ie certain styles of technique can be mimicked by AI), and so ultimately it is the vision itself that is the artistic talent, and while an AI can "create" using templates of other examples, the true power is in the direction to the AI by a person guiding them to the fruition of that vision. The AI becomes the tool, and the artistic representation is still retained by the individual directing the vision.

I am reminded of the old saying "Those who can't do, teach" and this is very true as there are many out there that have the love of a field, the inspiration, the vision, the imagination needed to create something, but lack the raw talent needed to see it "put to canvas" so to speak. When AI as a tool reaches a technological level to truly allow for this branching, I think there will be another "renaissance" in creation.

I really think this is the thing that holds people back from seeing great ideas brought to life. How many times have you seen great ideas by random people, but they lack the ability to take the extra step and so their ideas are never realized? Many great achievements came about from "necessity", where an individual got tired of the state of things (regardless the area of focus) and decided to take that extra step to train themselves to bring their vision to reality.

I think AI can be the final tool that more easily branches this barrier and eventually will allow "those who can not do", to finally "do".

Tweed wrote: ↑ April 8th, 2024, 03:23

Once we can automate all the labor jobs we'll have to do something about the useless eaters.

Don't worry about that, golem-reproduction drives have already been reprogrammed succesfully. They'll be out of the equation by then.