The GNU/Linux Corner

[WaterMage]

[asf]

microsoft is a joke

[twig]

ok let me rephrase the question:
is it possible to get software graphics xorg or wayland on a machine without a gpu?
basically i want to run it in simple framebuffer

Yes. Just run xvfb. I'm running tests for my gamedev project that way.

Example:

xvfb glxinfo -B

[rusty_shackleford]

it seems file-roller is no longer maintained and some update broke drag+drop with it, what do you guys use instead?

[Nemesis]

Thunar, the file explorer, compresses when you right-click on a file and save the archive with the extension of your choice, i.e. .tar.gz, .7z, or .zip, using the appropriate tool to compress. It also handles expanding an archive if you click on it.

Otherwise, I use terminal tools: zip/unzip, atool, 7z, tar.

[WaterMage]

Why so many companies insist in the every day more heavy and bloated launchers?

I don't get it. Origin some years ago used to consume only 36M of RAM. 2011 skyrim launcher used to consume only few MB of RAM too. Nowadays, EA APP consumes over 600M. LAri Launcher for BG3 takes over 800M.

And I don't get. If you just wanna make a launcher to check updates updates, maybe run a mod and an ad, you can make it in less than 150 lines of code in C with SDL. Hell, Heroic Games Launcher which is open source barely consumes 8M and comes with a lot of useful resources. EA APP is giving me a lot of troubles.

To be clear, I'm not complaining. When I first started to use Linux, I used Debian 6 and had a lot of tourble running even older games like Morrowind. Nowadays, I can run over 90% of the games that I wanna flawlessly with no problem. Is only anti cheat and launchers giving me trouble and am creating this thread to see if I can understand why so many proprietary launchers needs to be so heavy and looks like they do everything that they can to make it as hard as possible to run in Linux.

[rusty_shackleford]

Why so many companies insist in the every day more heavy and bloated launchers?

I don't get it. Origin some years ago used to consume only 36M of RAM. 2011 skyrim launcher used to consume only few MB of RAM too. Nowadays, EA APP consumes over 600M. LAri Launcher for BG3 takes over 800M.

And I don't get. If you just wanna make a launcher to check updates updates, maybe run a mod and an ad, you can make it in less than 150 lines of code in C with SDL. Hell, Heroic Games Launcher which is open source barely consumes 8M and comes with a lot of useful resources. EA APP is giving me a lot of troubles.

To be clear, I'm not complaining. When I first started to use Linux, I used Debian 6 and had a lot of tourble running even older games like Morrowind. Nowadays, I can run over 90% of the games that I wanna flawlessly with no problem. Is only anti cheat and launchers giving me trouble and am creating this thread to see if I can understand why so many proprietary launchers needs to be so heavy and looks like they do everything that they can to make it as hard as possible to run in Linux.

because they embed chrome

[asf]

chrome is cancer

[BobT]

Why so many companies insist in the every day more heavy and bloated launchers?

I don't get it. Origin some years ago used to consume only 36M of RAM. 2011 skyrim launcher used to consume only few MB of RAM too. Nowadays, EA APP consumes over 600M. LAri Launcher for BG3 takes over 800M.

And I don't get. If you just wanna make a launcher to check updates updates, maybe run a mod and an ad, you can make it in less than 150 lines of code in C with SDL. Hell, Heroic Games Launcher which is open source barely consumes 8M and comes with a lot of useful resources. EA APP is giving me a lot of troubles.

To be clear, I'm not complaining. When I first started to use Linux, I used Debian 6 and had a lot of tourble running even older games like Morrowind. Nowadays, I can run over 90% of the games that I wanna flawlessly with no problem. Is only anti cheat and launchers giving me trouble and am creating this thread to see if I can understand why so many proprietary launchers needs to be so heavy and looks like they do everything that they can to make it as hard as possible to run in Linux.

because they embed chrome

Yep. It's the only thing that the bootcamp pajeets know how to do.
Even Steam is completely reliant on specific Chrome versions now.
Mass Effect Legendary edition uses a launcher that renders the games unplayable on Windows versions that the original games were released for, lol.

[SpellSword]

Looks like someone was caught placing a backdoor in XZ Utils:
. The XZ Backdoor: Everything You Need to Know (Wired)
. What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infected the world (Ars Technica)

What Does the Backdoor Do?

Malicious code added to xz Utils versions 5.6.0 and 5.6.1 modified the way the software functions. The backdoor manipulated sshd, the executable file used to make remote SSH connections. Anyone in possession of a predetermined encryption key could stash any code of their choice in an SSH login certificate, upload it, and execute it on the backdoored device. No one has actually seen code uploaded, so it's not known what code the attacker planned to run. In theory, the code could allow for just about anything, including stealing encryption keys or installing malware.

[asf]

Interesting story, chinks spent years trying to bundle the thing in a way that is very hard to detect, their efforts averted only because someone decided to sperg enough about some performance variances in that version. If that can happen even in core linux libraries, imagine what other crap is floating around, specially in a world with infinite 'mandated updates' crap.

It also highlights the stupidity of systemd, linking against everything under the sun is such a good idea.

[WaterMage]

IMO Systemd receive much unnecessary hate.

Wayland I have heard a lot of good things but my first experience with it was no good. After I installed the nvidia driver, this happened >



And I only solved it by changing to X11 in loggin screen

[rusty_shackleford]

Interesting story, chinks spent years trying to bundle the thing in a way that is very hard to detect, their efforts averted only because someone decided to sperg enough about some performance variances in that version. If that can happen even in core linux libraries, imagine what other crap is floating around, specially in a world with infinite 'mandated updates' crap.

It also highlights the stupidity of systemd, linking against everything under the sun is such a good idea.

This wouldn't be an issue if we just banned chinese from the internet.

[Oyster Sauce]

IMO Systemd receive much unnecessary hate.

Wayland I have heard a lot of good things but my first experience with it was no good. After I installed the nvidia driver, this happened >



And I only solved it by changing to X11 in loggin screen

Another victim of the IPS gang...

[Xenich]

microsoft is a joke

They always have been, but unfortunately they were able to force the gaming market otherwise they would have died out a long time ago.

[Nooneatall]

Why so many companies insist in the every day more heavy and bloated launchers?

I don't get it. Origin some years ago used to consume only 36M of RAM. 2011 skyrim launcher used to consume only few MB of RAM too. Nowadays, EA APP consumes over 600M. LAri Launcher for BG3 takes over 800M.

And I don't get. If you just wanna make a launcher to check updates updates, maybe run a mod and an ad, you can make it in less than 150 lines of code in C with SDL. Hell, Heroic Games Launcher which is open source barely consumes 8M and comes with a lot of useful resources. EA APP is giving me a lot of troubles.

To be clear, I'm not complaining. When I first started to use Linux, I used Debian 6 and had a lot of tourble running even older games like Morrowind. Nowadays, I can run over 90% of the games that I wanna flawlessly with no problem. Is only anti cheat and launchers giving me trouble and am creating this thread to see if I can understand why so many proprietary launchers needs to be so heavy and looks like they do everything that they can to make it as hard as possible to run in Linux.

because they embed chrome

What, you expect me to write a native gui app for every os? I don't even know how to code outside of react... also, how will I embed Spyware and ads for other shitty games without my chrome based 2 gb launcher?

[WaterMage]

What, you expect me to write a native gui app for every os? I don't even know how to code outside of react... also, how will I embed Spyware and ads for other shitty games without my chrome based 2 gb launcher?

You joke, but making GUI nowadays is very easy. We are no longer in times of win32 API where you need to write hundreds of code lines to make an simple screen with a button that run a script once clicked. Nowadays, you can use Qt Creator and visual studio to make a decent GUI in minutes. To other os? Just use qmake and recompile it or use python and tkinter.

GoG installer if I remember correctly was made in Java. For ads to another games, you can easily use WebView from Java Fx. No need to load a entire browser for it.

They always have been, but unfortunately they were able to force the gaming market otherwise they would have died out a long time ago.

YES!!

And the tendency is that they will become worse and worse, while open source better and better.

Why? WEF DIE/ESG agenda.

They will have more and more diversity hires working in their system. And more and more blackrock pressuring for telemetry, spyware, bloatware, etc. Meanwhile, people who work in free source projects, being paid or not have a more meritocratic system. Even if the main Linux kernel development becomes flooded with incompetent diversity hires, anyone can fork the pre DIE Linux and continue the development from there. And everyone will use it.

You can`t force behavior using Larry Fink own words in Linux users own computers.

[Nooneatall]

What, you expect me to write a native gui app for every os? I don't even know how to code outside of react... also, how will I embed Spyware and ads for other shitty games without my chrome based 2 gb launcher?

You joke, but making GUI nowadays is very easy. We are no longer in times of win32 API where you need to write hundreds of code lines to make an simple screen with a button that run a script once clicked. Nowadays, you can use Qt Creator and visual studio to make a decent GUI in minutes. To other os? Just use qmake and recompile it or use python and tkinter.

GoG installer if I remember correctly was made in Java. For ads to another games, you can easily use WebView from Java Fx. No need to load a entire browser for it.

They always have been, but unfortunately they were able to force the gaming market otherwise they would have died out a long time ago.

YES!!

And the tendency is that they will become worse and worse, while open source better and better.

Why? WEF DIE/ESG agenda.

They will have more and more diversity hires working in their system. And more and more blackrock pressuring for telemetry, spyware, bloatware, etc. Meanwhile, people who work in free source projects, being paid or not have a more meritocratic system. Even if the main Linux kernel development becomes flooded with incompetent diversity hires, anyone can fork the pre DIE Linux and continue the development from there. And everyone will use it.

You can`t force behavior using Larry Fink own words in Linux users own computers.

But then I have to learn something that isn't an extremely convoluted js framework. And qt isn't reactive, functional, and it doesn't have hooks. Compiling something is scary (better to run my code through an extremely complicated process of transpilation and packing it so it works on electron)

[Decline]

They always have been, but unfortunately they were able to force the gaming market otherwise they would have died out a long time ago.

Were?

The decline of gaming from its pinnacle in late 90s is exclusively due to microsoft money going into XBAWKS exclusives to the detriment of everything else, even microsofts own studios (MS housed excellent strategy game studios in the late 90s, sadly none of these can be played with a controller on an XBAWKS so they had to die).