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Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 14:50
Obnoxious monetization is a problem but not nearly as bad as DEI. And I say that as somebody who deeply hates microtransactions.
You guys keep mentioning that but am 20 hours in now and honestly it doesn't feel that way.

DD1 released in 2012 and already had "diverse" races by concept. No way Capcom gave a shit about DEI back then.

Do you guys call DEI the fact there's dark skinned people in D&D and Elder Scrolls lore ?

I found these forums specifically because BG3 felt like forced DEI bullshit on steroids, in search of better immersion. I don't feel that in DD2 at all so far.


I'll say it one last time; as someone who's actually playing the game and played the hell out of the first one, the performance criticism is 100% valid but that's it.

And it sucks cause the game is honestly so fucking good otherwise. Then again the first game probably remained niche for a reason. Might be a good thing if it doesn't kill the series, when I look at the evolution of other popular franchises. Good luck getting anything else than hardcore DEI in BG/Larian games after BG3's mindblowing success. Right now as a big fan of DD1 I'm just happy they delivered something actually 200% faithful to the original. Performance will be fixed, either by Capcom or modders. Hogwart's Legacy sure was.
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pokafox wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:31
DD1 released in 2012 and already had "diverse" races by concept. No way Capcom gave a shit about DEI back then.
The only "diverse" character I remember is Mercedes, who is based on that chick from Berserk afaik
She's also not black.

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Yeah, I'm not seeing a "diverse" cast here:
https://dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/Ca ... Characters
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:38
The only "diverse" character I remember is Mercedes, who is based on that chick from Berserk afaik
She's also not black.
They were around. This guy was pretty important in a long questline.

There's more in DD2 but there's more of everything. And mostly in the big Capital so far kinda like in 1. Something that wouldn't have felt odd in BG3.
Well technically Arisen and Pawn could be. Which actually matters quite a bit in the game lore since literally the whole game is centered around the "Rightful Ruler but-also-so-much-more" concept of the Arisen.
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Face of the game ? He just seems like an important NPC. Did meet him and he's (probably?) a good guy. He talks proper like everyone else. He isn't pretending to be a rightful knight while doing pacts with demons, and so far he hasn't tried to dance with me to guilt me into buttsex. Oh wait ..
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pokafox wrote: March 29th, 2024, 18:03
Face of the game ? He just seems like an important NPC.
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He even narrates the trailer

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Like I said he's an important NPC and is in the opening cinematic. He's def one (1) important character in the game. Again 20 hours in and interacted twice with him so far for a total of probably 2 minutes.

He doesn't feel black "to be black". He doesn't lecture you about anything. He's coherent to his role and status. He's just a (1) important (probably) character that's black.

Intent over form afaic.
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Watched Scarlet Seeker play it for a bit while eating lunch, one positive I will give it is the various stuff other people's pawns can do for you is cool. e.g., a pawn knew where a chest was because she previously looted it with another player and guided him to the chest when he was in the area. Another pawn guided him to an NPC for his quest because she previously completed it, and so forth.
I think the first DD had this somewhat but I don't recall it being as detailed.
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That does sound petty cool actually. Definitely gives them some more utility and personality besides being another body to throw at enemies.
Shame its a feature that I wont ever get to partake in because when I finally get this game it will be through piracy
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I'd probably try it if it was about $15.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:23
I'd probably try it if it was about $15.
They'd have to pay me for me to accept Denuvo in my pc.
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Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 02:38
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 02:31
Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 01:46


Answering the survey doesn't even take a minute, so still worth the try I suppose.



It's only the present. The future is unknown and up to us to change it (copium)
I've long believed one of the reason jews get so much done(among other reasons) is they're natural complainers.
Same for wokies btw.

And yeah I agree with you. Often companies do these extremely poor decisions due to limited and biased feedback. Normal people complaining might give the sane heads in there some room to push back against insanity and improve.
Yeah you're absolutely right, guess I'll do the survey. :salute:

It's just hard for me to imagine a future where I see media-presented racial demographics like it's the late 90s again.
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UnfairTradeCoffee wrote: March 29th, 2024, 21:03
Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 02:38
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 02:31

I've long believed one of the reason jews get so much done(among other reasons) is they're natural complainers.
Same for wokies btw.

And yeah I agree with you. Often companies do these extremely poor decisions due to limited and biased feedback. Normal people complaining might give the sane heads in there some room to push back against insanity and improve.
Yeah you're absolutely right, guess I'll do the survey. :salute:

It's just hard for me to imagine a future where I see media-presented racial demographics like it's the late 90s again.
As long as some few games don't give in to insanity we can still get through it fine.
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Vergil wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:13
That does sound petty cool actually. Definitely gives them some more utility and personality besides being another body to throw at enemies.
Shame its a feature that I wont ever get to partake in because when I finally get this game it will be through piracy
From the first game, I can't recall if the random-gen offline pawns came with any pre-existing knowledge, so I can't guess if the offline pawns in DD2 could give you such advanced guidance.

In DD1, pawns wouldn't guide you to chests they found in their travels with other Arisen, though they could mention context sensitive things after acquiring familiarity with an area. Pawns could also guide you through quests such as telling you who to speak to next, so that you don't have to waste time with other NPCs first, or escorting you through areas. It sounds like pawn behavior has become more sophisticated in DD2; I'm looking forward to eventually seeing it.

On another note, I was sent a video of a pawn catching his falling Arisen which is a nice detail that existed even in the first game. Didn't always work out, but I'd bet it happens more reliably in DD2 though. I once made a pawn that was based on Solaire of Astora, and when a harpy carried my Arisen high up into the sky (high enough to kill him with the fall damage) and dropped him, Solaire caught him and saved his life. Solaire's camaraderie and support transcend worlds.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:38
The only "diverse" character I remember is Mercedes, who is based on that chick from Berserk afaik
She's also not black.
Close enough. She annoys me being in the game because of her ethnic dissimilarity to the inhabitants AND because she's a ridiculous small woman in a man's warrior role.
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Envergence wrote: March 29th, 2024, 21:36
Vergil wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:13
That does sound petty cool actually. Definitely gives them some more utility and personality besides being another body to throw at enemies.
Shame its a feature that I wont ever get to partake in because when I finally get this game it will be through piracy
From the first game, I can't recall if the random-gen offline pawns came with any pre-existing knowledge, so I can't guess if the offline pawns in DD2 could give you such advanced guidance.

In DD1, pawns wouldn't guide you to chests they found in their travels with other Arisen, though they could mention context sensitive things after acquiring familiarity with an area. Pawns could also guide you through quests such as telling you who to speak to next, so that you don't have to waste time with other NPCs first, or escorting you through areas. It sounds like pawn behavior has become more sophisticated in DD2; I'm looking forward to eventually seeing it.

On another note, I was sent a video of a pawn catching his falling Arisen which is a nice detail that existed even in the first game. Didn't always work out, but I'd bet it happens more reliably in DD2 though. I once made a pawn that was based on Solaire of Astora, and when a harpy carried my Arisen high up into the sky (high enough to kill him with the fall damage) and dropped him, Solaire caught him and saved his life. Solaire's camaraderie and support transcend worlds.
Solaire being a bro in all universes, things are as they should be
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Rand wrote: March 30th, 2024, 01:54
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:38
The only "diverse" character I remember is Mercedes, who is based on that chick from Berserk afaik
She's also not black.
Close enough. She annoys me being in the game because of her ethnic dissimilarity to the inhabitants AND because she's a ridiculous small woman in a man's warrior role.
She do be sexy french laydee tho
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pokafox wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:52
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:38
The only "diverse" character I remember is Mercedes, who is based on that chick from Berserk afaik
She's also not black.
They were around. This guy was pretty important in a long questline.

There's more in DD2 but there's more of everything. And mostly in the big Capital so far kinda like in 1. Something that wouldn't have felt odd in BG3.
Yeah and he also stood out as a weird anomaly that made no sense.
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Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:27
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:23
I'd probably try it if it was about $15.
They'd have to pay me for me to accept Denuvo in my pc.
Correct. If and when they remove Denuvo and only then might I consent to having it cheaply.
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you should be running proprietary shitware in a sandbox to begin with so denuvo doesn't even matter
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 30th, 2024, 01:59
you should be running proprietary shitware in a sandbox to begin with so denuvo doesn't even matter
I'm lazy and somewhat stupid about software so I don't know how and can't be bothered to learn for a game I don't really care about much.
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pokafox wrote: March 29th, 2024, 10:22
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 24th, 2024, 23:26
btw, See: Helldivers 2. Probably the only game (fully released) worth mentioning so far this year.
It's a fun game, doesn't antagonize its potential customers, and without many technical issues.
Helldivers 2 has the exact same microtransaction system as DD2. And a battlepass.
Bro it's fine just say you like to be bossed around by a black npc and that you like to pay multi billion dollar companies for the privilege to do so. You don't need to cope and effort post so hard for this game.
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Nooneatall wrote: March 30th, 2024, 02:11
Bro it's fine just say you like to be bossed around by a black npc and that you like to pay multi billion dollar companies for the privilege to do so. You don't need to cope and effort post so hard for this game.
Don't be childish. You can check my posts in the BG3 thread and you'll see me putting the same "effort" explaining what I feel is fundamentaly wrong with the game.

As far as I can tell I'm the only one in this thread actually playing the game. I'm merely reporting my experience and impressions that do differ from what a lot of what you guys perceive. If you'd rather me leave you guys shitpost in peace that's cool but I'm honestly doing it in good faith.
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pokafox wrote: March 30th, 2024, 08:57
As far as I can tell I'm the only one in this thread actually playing the game. I'm merely reporting my experience and impressions that do differ from what a lot of what you guys perceive. If you'd rather me leave you guys shitpost in peace that's cool but I'm honestly doing it in good faith.
Strive on, friend! I won't buy the game for several reasons and I regard any negros without a good explanation to be immersion-breaking in European-style fantasy, but it's still interesting hear your thoughts.
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pokafox wrote: March 29th, 2024, 17:31
Anon wrote: March 29th, 2024, 14:50
Obnoxious monetization is a problem but not nearly as bad as DEI. And I say that as somebody who deeply hates microtransactions.
You guys keep mentioning that but am 20 hours in now and honestly it doesn't feel that way.

DD1 released in 2012 and already had "diverse" races by concept. No way Capcom gave a shit about DEI back then.

Do you guys call DEI the fact there's dark skinned people in D&D and Elder Scrolls lore ?

I found these forums specifically because BG3 felt like forced DEI bullshit on steroids, in search of better immersion. I don't feel that in DD2 at all so far.


I'll say it one last time; as someone who's actually playing the game and played the hell out of the first one, the performance criticism is 100% valid but that's it.

And it sucks cause the game is honestly so fucking good otherwise. Then again the first game probably remained niche for a reason. Might be a good thing if it doesn't kill the series, when I look at the evolution of other popular franchises. Good luck getting anything else than hardcore DEI in BG/Larian games after BG3's mindblowing success. Right now as a big fan of DD1 I'm just happy they delivered something actually 200% faithful to the original. Performance will be fixed, either by Capcom or modders. Hogwart's Legacy sure was.
I hadn't met a single black person in my whole life in 2012, so I didn't care or even notice that there was 1 or 2 in a fun rpg. Better times... :(
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2024, 20:10
Watched Scarlet Seeker play it for a bit while eating lunch, one positive I will give it is the various stuff other people's pawns can do for you is cool. e.g., a pawn knew where a chest was because she previously looted it with another player and guided him to the chest when he was in the area. Another pawn guided him to an NPC for his quest because she previously completed it, and so forth.
I think the first DD had this somewhat but I don't recall it being as detailed.
I genuinely love the Pawn system, which is an important point about my perception of the game cause I think a lot of people don't, or at least don't care much for it. There were and still are huge demands for actual online co-op. As someone who plays a lot of co-op with family and friends this is actually something I didn't want in DD2 because the Pawn system is so interlocked with the game's concept it just wouldn't feel the same without it, or even an alternative. If you've played the first game to the end you know how deep it goes concept wise.

Anyway yeah the Pawns are definitely further improved in that one. They'll tell you about chests they've looted with someone else, quests they've done. When they do you can press forward and they'll lead you to it. I was doing a Monster eradication quest and my boy's pawn was "hey I know where that is follow me". Was quite a long way so strayed a bit, had fights. He stopped to assist and "remembered" to resume leading me after each breaks on the way. After we were done in the caverns it took place we exited from a different exit and the same pawn was like "hey our next task is in xxx it's not too far from here maybe we should do it now ?" so I agreed and we did, straying even further away and exploring along the way. It felt quite organic, as in an actual travel through unknown places trying to stay focused on the task at hand but noting locations on the way to come back and explore later. The incentive for not methodically exploring everything on the way is that your max health decreases as you get damaged in battles, kinda like in DS2. You can restore to full max health at camp sites but they're pretty scattered. Max carry also becomes an hindrance pretty fast. So knowing I was probably going for a dungeon at our destination, I had to focus on that and the adventures on the path. This is quite different for instance to Elden Ring where you feel compelled to explore every nook and crannies on your first travel there, ending up giving you this open world fatigue of running around everywhere for hours on your "horse" with no carry weight or any kind of penalty to give you incentive to manage your travels.

I've played almost exclusively with my boys' pawns so far. 3 Steam accounts on the same copy with Family share enabled. Costs us no RC since we're Steam friends but we get RC rewards from each others. One new feature is you can set Pawn Quests with rewards of either Gold or Items, for example "Slay a Cyclop". If the person who hired your pawn slays a Cyclop they'll get the reward you set but you only pay once no matter how many people complete the quest you set.

edit: just got a 5-10 fps improve using this: https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2 ... escription
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performance is unbearably bad, how did they release this lmao
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 30th, 2024, 18:56
performance is unbearably bad, how did they release this lmao
Honestly have no idea how that shit happens. So much work for this ...

It's definitely linked to NPC bottlenecking the CPU. Very similar to BG3 becoming unplayable in Act 3.

Like, I'll drop to 20 fps in the big city that's full of NPCs. But big epic fights in the middle of nowhere it's pretty smooth in the 40/50 (again, on my shit i5-6600 and mid 2060). I get 50/60 in most places in the open world. 1080p with mostly low settings of course given my hardware. Still looks great for me tho.


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pokafox wrote: March 30th, 2024, 20:43
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 30th, 2024, 18:56
performance is unbearably bad, how did they release this lmao
Honestly have no idea how that shit happens. So much work for this ...

It's definitely linked to NPC bottlenecking the CPU. Very similar to BG3 becoming unplayable in Act 3.

Like, I'll drop to 20 fps in the big city that's full of NPCs. But big epic fights in the middle of nowhere it's pretty smooth in the 40/50 (again, on my shit i5-6600 and mid 2060). I get 50/60 in most places in the open world. 1080p with mostly low settings of course given my hardware. Still looks great for me tho.


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Oyster Sauce wrote: March 30th, 2024, 20:55
Is the water still full of leeches?
I hope so. If I recruit a pawn I thought was a male but turns out to have been given cringe "top surgery" scars (possible by repositioning and scaling certain scars), I'm throwing it to the brine immediately.
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