The WWIII Thread - Russia takes on the West

[Decline]

You shouldn't wish suicide upon your fellow antifassies.

Stalin era 'antifassis' were playing in a completely different league compared to whatever calls itself 'antifass' today.

[rusty_shackleford]

You shouldn't wish suicide upon your fellow antifassies.

Stalin era 'antifassis' were playing in a completely different league compared to whatever calls itself 'antifass' today.

Putin is king kween antifassy and he slays

[Red7]

Russians upset at Macron are sharing maps on social media of how France will be divided. I wonder if this is planned to happen on year 20 or 200 of the 2 week special operation.

At first I was skeptical about Russia taking so long to wrap up this whole war, but with Europe's recent moves it all makes sense now.

If Russia attempted to take Ukraine in a sudden move with the ukrainian army at full power, it's clear now that Ukraine would have european army help, and a backlash of full ukrainian + NATO army could catch Russia by surprise and bring great losses and would be an extremely difficult situation for Russia to handle.

But now that Russia has won the attrition war, the ukrainian army is in shambles and Russia has consolidated control over Donbass, the NATO/european army joining the war comes at a very bad timing, and the situation is overall easier for Russia to handle. Russia is also now ready for that, with huge reservoirs of trained personnel + weapons prepared for this exact situation.

So even if the ultimate winner might be unclear, it shows that Russia has been wise and played the correct game this whole time, while Ukraine and NATO were mostly reactive, and that's a problem and has put them in the backfoot despite them having so much more resources.

"t-t-they're taking so long to win on PURPOSE! It's 4D chess!!!"

why u think election in usa is that irrelevant to goepolitics? if trump wins war end next week as no more jewish/your money will flow to fun kiev goverment bribes. they not killing their own for free u know

[Vergil]

Same guys whose strategy in the Napoleonic Wars was running away and losing every fight they couldn't run from and then burning one of their biggest cities to the ground btw
Also get passed Kiev within the decade before setting your sights on Paris

[Anon]

Same guys whose strategy in the Napoleonic Wars was running away and losing every fight they couldn't run from and then burning one of their biggest cities to the ground btw
Also get passed Kiev within the decade before setting your sights on Paris

Tbf France should be taking care of France issues instead of trying to make enemies with Russia, can't blame Russia for being mad against the french rn

[Vergil]

Same guys whose strategy in the Napoleonic Wars was running away and losing every fight they couldn't run from and then burning one of their biggest cities to the ground btw
Also get passed Kiev within the decade before setting your sights on Paris

Tbf France should be taking care of France issues instead of trying to make enemies with Russia, can't blame Russia for being mad against the french rn

Insulting France is never acceptable.

[asf]

lets be honest here, if russkies start moving toward paris france will follow its military tradition and surrender immediately

[Ratcatcher]

france will follow its military tradition and surrender immediately

Uh? I was under the impression France had surrended already...

[WaterMage]

If this become a nuclear war, the greatest con is that the people who deserve the most to die like Larry Fink and KGB Dwarf will gonna be fine in their undisclosed bunkers. Meanwhile dozens of millions of innocents will gonna die. The good is that all baizuo/progressst social engineering insanity will disappear overnight as people will gonna have real problems to worry about and no more ESG bigcorpos/large blue cities.

[Red7]

[Norfleet]

The people we invaded and massacred will surrender to us soon, m'lord.

why do you even bother posting such shit-tier comments

Why are you so upset at the idea that Ukrainians might not be welcoming the invaders with open arms?

Nobody really welcomes invaders with open arms, but at some point people who are being invaded surrender anyway when they simply no longer have the will and ability to keep fighting.

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

[Emphyrio]

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

to be fair to UA, using the older soldiers is a deliberate choice. They aren't drafting guys under age 27 because that cohort is so tiny already and the country would have no future if they died or fled the country to avoid conscription. However there are young volunteers.

[Norfleet]

to be fair to UA, using the older soldiers is a deliberate choice. They aren't drafting guys under age 27 because that cohort is so tiny already and the country would have no future if they died or fled the country to avoid conscription. However there are young volunteers.

It may be a deliberate choice, but it's obviously not a preferrable choice. When you are running out of options, you are stuck choosing between some rather unpalatable ones, and this is a sign that their options pool is clearly shrinking.

[WaterMage]

Nobody really welcomes invaders with open arms, but at some point people who are being invaded surrender anyway when they simply no longer have the will and ability to keep fighting.

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

This 50 year is false. But Ukraine refuses to mobilize anyone above the age of 27. And people contributing a lot in taxes, this is why the age on frontlines is so high. They know that they are demographically fucked and are doing everything that they can to minimize it.

About welcoming the invader, some RU propagandists really believed on it.

Eg :



Modern Russia worships Stalin a lot. Could you imagine if South Korea got invaded by a Japan which worships Hirohito? Or if Israel got invaded by Hitler worshipers?

If you think that Ukrainians would just surrender, you are delusional. After WW2, took 10 years for the Bolshevik Russia to destroy the Ukrainian insurgent army. Is more likely that they would throw radioactive waste in their crops and flee to Poland, than that they would just accept RU occupation. Putin already tried to target their electricity infraestructure, tried to terror them with thermobaric bombs in civilian regions and etc. They still din't surrendered.

But of course, according to Vatniks, Ukraine army is close to a collapse. They say it since literally 1h22m of conflict. And here we are, over 750 days later with RU barely occupying 20% of UA territory. With only two very small towns captured by Russia this year and in last year, only bakhmut...

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The plan from Ukraine doesn't seem to be to even defeat RU militarily.

They plan seems to be to use defense in depth to inflict heavy loses, and target RU economy, destroying refineries and hope that RU will gonna collapse. Is a plan with small chance of success? Yes. But what is the alternative?

Being occupied by Russia and suffering Bucha massacres everywhere? Negotiating, being defenseless and delaying few years another invasion? Even if UA gives everything that RU wants. Does anyone here believes that Russia which broke every single deal since Molotov Ribbentrop will honor its words? If someone believes on it, I have a bridge to sell to you.

[Norfleet]

But of course, according to Vatniks, Ukraine army is close to a collapse. They say it since literally 1h22m of conflict. And here we are, over 750 days later with RU barely occupying 20% of UA territory. With only two very small towns captured by Russia this year and in last year, only bakhmut...

Attritional warfare tends to result in brittle failure rather than steady progress. When the end comes for somebody, whoever it is, it will happen very suddenly when that side just can't handle it anymore. So yes, I would not expect any drastic territorial changes under the current regime of warfare, and when that happens, it will be a sign that the end is near.

[somerandomdude]

He offers great explanations as to how many of these systems like HIMARS and MLRS work.

[Red7]

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

to be fair to UA, using the older soldiers is a deliberate choice. They aren't drafting guys under age 27 because that cohort is so tiny already and the country would have no future if they died or fled the country to avoid conscription. However there are young volunteers.

if u think jewkriane has any future, or even ua strategy has any consideration for demopgraphic aspect of that future, u crazy bro.

they/kiev regime are waging war on bribes to fill their pockets and thats it. nobody in charge cares about losses or war outcome as long as they can pack their shit fast enough to their offshore properties.

[Red7]

He offers great explanations as to how many of these systems like HIMARS and MLRS work.

he says at one point that those high value targets shown by drone footage do not operate close line of contact which implies deepe inflitration team work.

which is wrong assumption overall and not what i have been hearing. im sure some infltration/recon teams are used by its simply jewkriane getting so desperate now they deploy their high vlaue assets close to line of contact so they can provide some direct support and make em work ass aa defnese so they can use what little air power they got left.

[Oyster Sauce]

We should just deploy the boys from the Advance Wars and Dominions threads to clear this whole mess up

[Xenich]

why do you even bother posting such shit-tier comments

Why are you so upset at the idea that Ukrainians might not be welcoming the invaders with open arms?

Nobody really welcomes invaders with open arms, but at some point people who are being invaded surrender anyway when they simply no longer have the will and ability to keep fighting.

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

Poland did when Germany moved in, they were seen as liberators. Though those were the German people who were forced into Poland territory by the Versailles Treaty when the world decided to loot Germany and divide up its land after WWI. They were treated like trash by Poland.

[Vergil]

Why are you so upset at the idea that Ukrainians might not be welcoming the invaders with open arms?

Nobody really welcomes invaders with open arms, but at some point people who are being invaded surrender anyway when they simply no longer have the will and ability to keep fighting.

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

Poland did when Germany moved in, they were seen as liberators. Though those were the German people who were forced into Poland territory by the Versailles Treaty when the world decided to loot Germany and divide up its land after WWI. They were treated like trash by Poland.

Versailles Treaty was baby kid gloves mode. No one cries that Germany did the same thing to France in 1871.

[Xenich]

Nobody really welcomes invaders with open arms, but at some point people who are being invaded surrender anyway when they simply no longer have the will and ability to keep fighting.

When that will happen is anyone's guess, but the average age of the Ukrainian defender is now in the 50s, and that number is only going to keep creeping upwards until no one else is left if the fighting continues.

Poland did when Germany moved in, they were seen as liberators. Though those were the German people who were forced into Poland territory by the Versailles Treaty when the world decided to loot Germany and divide up its land after WWI. They were treated like trash by Poland.

Versailles Treaty was baby kid gloves mode. No one cries that Germany did the same thing to France in 1871.

Who declared war in that conflict and why? Seems like the French were meddling with other states and when they didn't get what they want, they declared war. As opposed to WWI beginning with the assassination of Austro-Hungarian leadership.

Kind of hard to cry foul when you hit first.

[Anon]

Putin reelected btw. Since Russia is in a war and held elections despite this, why can't Ukraine do the same? Zelensky needs to show the world how powerful and popular he is!

[WaterMage]

why can't Ukraine do the same?

Because one side is invading. Another is being invaded. Anyway, Who already congratulated Putin on his victory:

"Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro (...) North Korean leader Kim Jong-un (...) Nicaraguan leader Daniel Ortega (...) Bolivian President Luis Arce (...) The President of Tajikistan, Emomali Rahmon, (...) Pope Francis (..) The head of Cuban diplomacy, Bruno Rodriguez Parrilla,"

All commies. And except by North Korea, every country has sub 90 average IQ.

[Anon]

why can't Ukraine do the same?

All commies. And except by North Korea, every country has sub 90 average IQ.

You're from one of such countries, isn't this assessment rather hypocrite from your part? Or should I say, a self-denouncement?

[Vergil]

Who declared war in that conflict and why? Seems like the French were meddling with other states and when they didn't get what they want, they declared war.

It is an openly known and admitted fact that Bismarck played the (((media))) against Napoleon III who did not want the war into declaring and this is after decades of german chicanery and two faced political dealings as they literally attempted (and did manage) to annex all of the german states. Incredible irony to state this too when Prussia was declaring war and seizing territory left and right all throughout the mid 1800s. Considering they would go on to start two world wars I think wanting to check german unification was a prudent move.

As opposed to WWI beginning with the assassination of Austro-Hungarian leadership.

Which became a World War due to Austria essentially telling Serbia to give up their national sovereignty and become a de-fact vassal of Austria-Hungary due to the actions of an assassin within in Austro-Hungarian territory that was completely unaffiliated with the government. When it became clear they weren't going to back down Germany gave Austria a guarantee of full support because they wanted a big european war themselves. Austria and Germany are in fact the biggest causers of WWI and Germany got off a lot lighter than they probably should have. The Weimar situation developed due to domestic issues and jewish subversion of democratic government (which also happened to France because of the Franco-Prussian war so it's hard to cry for germany having what they did to France happen to them). Only difference is France actually immediately paid off it's war debt instead of coping and seething like Germany did.

[Xenich]

Who declared war in that conflict and why? Seems like the French were meddling with other states and when they didn't get what they want, they declared war.

It is an openly known and admitted fact that Bismarck played the (((media))) against Napoleon III who did not want the war into declaring and this is after decades of german chicanery and two faced political dealings as they literally attempted (and did manage) to annex all of the german states. Incredible irony to state this too when Prussia was declaring war and seizing territory left and right all throughout the mid 1800s. Considering they would go on to start two world wars I think wanting to check german unification was a prudent move.

As opposed to WWI beginning with the assassination of Austro-Hungarian leadership.

Which became a World War due to Austria essentially telling Serbia to give up their national sovereignty and become a de-fact vassal of Austria-Hungary due to the actions of an assassin within in Austro-Hungarian territory that was completely unaffiliated with the government. When it became clear they weren't going to back down Germany gave Austria a guarantee of full support because they wanted a big european war themselves. Austria and Germany are in fact the biggest causers of WWI and Germany got off a lot lighter than they probably should have. The Weimar situation developed due to domestic issues and jewish subversion of democratic government (which also happened to France because of the Franco-Prussian war so it's hard to cry for germany having what they did to France happen to them). Only difference is France actually immediately paid off it's war debt instead of coping and seething like Germany did.

See, what bothers me is the of starting two world wars, and the involvement of the Bolsheviks being suggested as localized to simply a internal matter in Germany. Have you seen Europa: The last Battle? Did you take issue with their accounts? I think there is more going on under the hood so to speak in a lot of these conflicts, much like it was in Russia with the murder of the czar and take over by the Bolsheviks.

The WWII stuff is obvious influence by them (documented with numerous papers, official statements, etc...). I don't know, seems like there is more going on than what you may be implying. I haven't evaluated to a level to head on this, which is why I asked questions rather than met you with direct argument.

[gerey]

The plan from Ukraine doesn't seem to be to even defeat RU militarily.

Arguably, the reason they choose this approach is that they simply lack the necessary resources to push the Russians out. They got lucky once, by exploiting poor Russian troop deployments and entrenchment, but as we've seen the Russians have learned and have proceeded to heavily fortify their frontlines, which in turn led to Ukraine's poor performance during the summer offensive.

While I don't think Russians are going to go full Bolshevik on the Ukrainians even if they win, I will never understand all the comments by EU and US cucks kvetching about lives lost (especially since they so ghoulishly and gleefully salivate over every video of a Russian soldier being brutally murdered). What do they expect the Ukrainians to do, simply give up and let Russia win and take more land from them just because the casualties are high?

Did the Germans in WW2 give up just because they knew victory was impossible?

I genuinely fear to see how the modern West would even handle a war against a (near) peer opponent. My guess is that the end result would not be pretty to look at.

[maidenhaver]

[WaterMage]

You're from one of such countri

I din't chose to be here. In fact, I'm trying really hard to move to UY. Milei in Argentina(average IQ = 94) is not in pro RU. The lefity president in Chile is not in RU side(avg iq = 90), nor Lacalle Pouu, the president of Uruguay, the highest IQ nation of latin america(97). This 3 countries of the "Southern Cone" are the best and most developed countries in latam, all are not pro Russia. Brazil average IQ is 83. This is why Nine Fingers which combines the worst of Tankie left with the worst of Baizuo left got elected instead of Bolsonaro. And Lula is very pro Russia.

But despite it, there are Brazilians in foreign legion fighting for Ukraine. Example :

João Bercle



Thiago Rossi



This later, I know personally, he used to be a firing range instructor.

the reason they choose this approach is that they simply lack the necessary resources to push the Russians out.

Yes!!!

Since their failed counteroffensive, they went full defense in depth and trying to defeat RU economically. But what is the alternative? Trying to advance against heavy fortified enemy positions with no air support?